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The other side of the coin is that we're putting a lot more work into players before they're drafted.  Several times in last year's and this year's "The Journey" you'll hear Bolton and/or SOS talking about good character.  I remember SOS saying that Charlie Curnow was from a 'good family' after the drink driving incident.

Draft the right players and the development side isn't that difficult.

Of course, we have ramped up our development staff, but we are giving them better youngsters to work with.

It's interesting to compare the effect of ASOS and Daisy in the backline. Both are mature players, whose leadership and roles as 'generals' down there are (reasonably) commonly acknowledged or, in ASOS's case, anticipated. Talk is that Alex was brought in last week, specifically to do the job on Franklin and I've seen comments suggesting he won't retain his spot in the absence of such a role. Yet, to hear Marchy raving about how much he loved playing with him, in his RS nomination week, can't be ignored. I'm no Daisy-hater and in fact I'm one who does appreciate his influence, but I just can't see how (a) we'd ever want to play them both in the same side or (b) why you'd take Daisy over Alex at this stage.

It's an interesting one, because they are obviously very different players, but I think their real value is the same - leadership/guidance to a young defensive group as they develop. I think we've got to keep Alex, just because of that relentless, beast-like example he provides, over Daisy's (no doubt helpful) pointing and direction-giving.

And, for the Filth, he has that frightening closing speed that'll make even their smaller forwards a little tetchy.

It's interesting to compare the effect of ASOS and Daisy in the backline. Both are mature players, whose leadership and roles as 'generals' down there are (reasonably) commonly acknowledged or, in ASOS's case, anticipated. Talk is that Alex was brought in last week, specifically to do the job on Franklin and I've seen comments suggesting he won't retain his spot in the absence of such a role. Yet, to hear Marchy raving about how much he loved playing with him, in his RS nomination week, can't be ignored. I'm no Daisy-hater and in fact I'm one who does appreciate his influence, but I just can't see how (a) we'd ever want to play them both in the same side or (b) why you'd take Daisy over Alex at this stage.

It's an interesting one, because they are obviously very different players, but I think their real value is the same - leadership/guidance to a young defensive group as they develop. I think we've got to keep Alex, just because of that relentless, beast-like example he provides, over Daisy's (no doubt helpful) pointing and direction-giving.

And, for the Filth, he has that frightening closing speed that'll make even their smaller forwards a little tetchy.

I think we are going a bit overboard on Alex Silvagni, 50 games in 7 years with Freo then delisted, and Franklin had 19 touches on the weekend after all.
If one of our key forwards had that much of the ball we'd have him pencilled in for a Brownlow.
Good luck to him and he seems like a solid citizen, but easy on the hype.

I think we are going a bit overboard on Alex Silvagni, 50 games in 7 years with Freo then delisted, and Franklin had 19 touches on the weekend after all.
If one of our key forwards had that much of the ball we'd have him pencilled in for a Brownlow.
Good luck to him and he seems like a solid citizen, but easy on the hype.

I think we are going a bit overboard on Alex Silvagni, 50 games in 7 years with Freo then delisted, and Franklin had 19 touches on the weekend after all.
If one of our key forwards had that much of the ball we'd have him pencilled in for a Brownlow.
Good luck to him and he seems like a solid citizen, but easy on the hype.

We do not tend to change winning teams much, a trait I do not tend to agree with. I am a 'horses for courses' type. However, we rarely change winning combos but for injury.
We will HAVE to make 2 changes: Silvagni's shoulder will not be risked, while Fisher did a hamstring. I don't think he will be risked either.
Jones, Daisy, Kerridge and Cuningham all have put their hands up over the last fortnight, with Buckley not far behind them. The 'Ins' will probably come from that group, although you never can tell.
With Collingwood's team structure, we MAY decide that Alex Silvagni is one tall too many in defence. It might even be a smart move, as Collingwood's small forwards tend to do the bulk of their scoring. However, I don't see it happening.

At the moment we have Docherty and Simpson as small defenders. As they have been doing some moving into the midfield, having another quick defender for a small forward like Elliott or Fasolo might be useful. That puts Daisy at a disadvantage, as he tends to run off guys rather be a tight defender, just like Docherty and Simpson. Buckley could get a go. Or we could move Smedts down to defence, where he has done well in the VFL. He has the pace and that extra bit of height that helps in marking contests.

I know I ALWAYS double guess the match committee and I often think we have not selected guys for certain jobs. Fair enough. One of my functions as a supporter on a site like this. But our selectors tend to make changes only if a guy is seriously out of form for a number of weeks, when we lose badly or due to injury. None of these makes me certain Alex Silvagni will be dropped.

I don't agree with the idea that he is a Buddy specialist and therefore should not get another gig until a similar player is named for the oppo. If he can go a good job on the most athletic and most damaging forward in the comp, why can't he do an even better job on lesser forwards ? Are any of his attributes ill suited to such a task ? Don't tell me, it's depriving the kiddies of games.

And I'm not sure Daisy is exclusively a back line player - he tends to play where needed, doing as you say, a similar thing to Alex.

I think both can play in the same team no probs, but not in the same back line.

Just my devalued 2 bob's worth.

Didn't mean I agreed with the sentiment that he is only a 'Buddy specialist' and I'm very much in two minds about the 'depriving the kids' concept, especially the impact he had last week. My point is more that, if we are to have a mature leader in the backline (and I acknowledge that Daisy can play elsewhere as, perhaps, can Alex), who should we prefer? I'm leaning towards Alex, because of his example of ruthlessness and the comments from Marchbank as to his value.

Didn't mean I agreed with the sentiment that he is only a 'Buddy specialist' and I'm very much in two minds about the 'depriving the kids' concept, especially the impact he had last week. My point is more that, if we are to have a mature leader in the backline (and I acknowledge that Daisy can play elsewhere as, perhaps, can Alex), who should we prefer? I'm leaning towards Alex, because of his example of ruthlessness and the comments from Marchbank as to his value.

I don't agree with the idea that he is a Buddy specialist and therefore should not get another gig until a similar player is named for the oppo. If he can go a good job on the most athletic and most damaging forward in the comp, why can't he do an even better job on lesser forwards ? Are any of his attributes ill suited to such a task ? Don't tell me, it's depriving the kiddies of games.

And I'm not sure Daisy is exclusively a back line player - he tends to play where needed, doing as you say, a similar thing to Alex.

I think both can play in the same team no probs, but not in the same back line.

Just my devalued 2 bob's worth.