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Title: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: crashlander on June 02, 2015, 11:25:41 am
On Saturday at 1:40 we play Eddie Betts and Sauce Jacobs at the MCG. Last week we noticed a considerable improvement in our effort. It will be interesting to see how we go against a team not quite as well performed as Sydney was.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 02, 2015, 12:31:27 pm
Sloane and Douglas probably back for Adelaide and Dangerfield was on fire vs Freo...going to be hard yakka to beat the Crows..
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cookie2 on June 02, 2015, 12:46:05 pm
Sloane and Douglas probably back for Adelaide and Dangerfield was on fire vs Freo...going to be hard yakka to beat the Crows..

Might go along though and see Eddie as it's not on FTA.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Bear on June 02, 2015, 12:47:25 pm
You could almost make a case for this being winnable, if you could get past the fact that we are playing sh*t football.

Don't think they would risk Sloane... and i note they are already referring to it as the "mock bye" over in Moron Town.


Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: raven on June 02, 2015, 02:39:21 pm
The Cows will tear us a new one I suspect.

On fta tv here being I am in SA. Might watch it with some cow supporting mates and cop their abuse with good humour...

I presume the likes of Judd, Gibbs and Murphy will be back in the mix?
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: spf on June 02, 2015, 07:21:13 pm
This is a game I don't want to watch, I just can't stand to watch Eddie Betts tear us apart as I know he will. I loved to watch Eddie at Carlton and I've seen a few Crows replays purely to watch him - best small forward in the game in my opinion.

Good luck Blues you're going to need it. Ask yourself aside from Yarran anyone else capable of playing on Betts? Coming off an ankle it will get a workout against Eddie on Saturday.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 02, 2015, 07:24:48 pm
White on Betts and Rowe on Walker. Curnow to antagonize Dangerfield.

We have a decent record against the Crows in Melbourne over the last few years don't we?
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Mantis on June 02, 2015, 08:37:32 pm
The only way to stop Eddie, is to kill their mid field. Then he will move into the middle of the ground and along way from goal. Byrne or Sheehan could do a job on him. The 2E of the past. Lately 2E is a liability at times with his ball use. This game is not going to be pretty for us at all IMO.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: laj on June 02, 2015, 09:02:18 pm
Just play aggressive, attacking running footy and see what happens.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Mantis on June 02, 2015, 09:05:24 pm
Just play aggressive, attacking running footy and see what happens.

That is the basic need as our structures don't allow for skilled footy yet. Be hard at the contest and take the game on. We really have nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 02, 2015, 10:17:35 pm
White on Betts and Rowe on Walker. Curnow to antagonize Dangerfield.

We have a decent record against the Crows in Melbourne over the last few years don't we?

Walker has been quiet of late...he usually destroys Jamo so I reckon he will have a day out vs our backline...
Eddie should kick a few, rub our noses in it and create plenty of supporter angst....
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: MosquitoFleet on June 02, 2015, 10:19:49 pm
Docherty on betts.....
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 02, 2015, 10:23:23 pm
Docherty on betts.....

My money would be on Eddie in that battle especially with Walker hitting the packs hard...
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cimm1979 on June 02, 2015, 10:33:56 pm
Eddie will get his goals, just like he did with us.

It's an important match-up, but he's not Nathan Fyfe tearing it up all over the ground.

Pressure the rest and starve supply.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Roy on June 03, 2015, 07:10:59 pm
IN: Judd, Kreuzer, Jamison, Boekhorst, Murphy Holman
 OUT: Yarran (inj), Menzel (inj), Jones, Tutt, Carrazzo Wood

 FB: Michael Jamison, Sam Rowe, Lachie Henderson
 HB: Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty, Dennis Armfield
 C: Dylan Buckley, Ed Curnow, Marc Murphy
 R: Matthew Kreuzer, Chris Judd, Patrick Cripps
 HF: Andrew Walker, Simon White, Tom Bell
 FF: Blaine Boekhorst, Levi Casboult, Andrejs Everitt
 Int: Dale Thomas, Nick Graham, Zach Tuohy, Nick Holman(sub)

Another 10 goal belting against the swans should lead to a few changes
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 03, 2015, 07:15:41 pm
Wood is going nowhere Roy.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Meddy43 on June 03, 2015, 10:45:10 pm
I hope Eddie doesn't get booed. I don't think he did last year, but after the comments from "M word" I hope fans just keep a cool head and remember what he did for our club.
Carn Blues!!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: LP on June 04, 2015, 08:06:45 am
I hope Eddie doesn't get booed. I don't think he did last year, but after the comments from "M word" I hope fans just keep a cool head and remember what he did for our club.
Carn Blues!!

If we are smart we will cheer him, to highlight the difference between a nice bloke and the other type!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Thryleon on June 04, 2015, 10:00:04 am
I hope Eddie doesn't get booed. I don't think he did last year, but after the comments from "M word" I hope fans just keep a cool head and remember what he did for our club.
Carn Blues!!

Almost guaranteed.

Football tribalism will result in him being "booed".

Still, it will not be as loud as any others.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Dominator_7 on June 04, 2015, 12:02:37 pm
I wont be booing him that's for sure.
Just quietly hoping he does terribly against us.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 04, 2015, 05:46:43 pm
Apparently Kreuz definitely playing. Just a no brainer really. The guy played well last week by all reports, if he's going to play he may as well play seniors.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Lods on June 04, 2015, 06:09:15 pm
Eddie Betts was my Mum's favourite player.
Cant possibly wish him ill.
...but hope he has a quiet game ;)

Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Big Ken on June 04, 2015, 06:36:31 pm
Carlton ruckman Matthew Kreuzer will line up for his first game since round one last year after a long battle with foot issues and three games in the VFL.

The Blues' big man has been named to face Adelaide on Saturday afternoon at the MCG, as one of three big inclusions alongside captain Marc Murphy and Chris Judd.

They have lost Dale Thomas to a toe injury while [glow=red,2,300]Chris Yarran has been omitted [/glow]along with forward Liam Jones.

 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Professer E on June 04, 2015, 06:37:45 pm
Que?
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: MosquitoFleet on June 04, 2015, 06:46:31 pm
Carlton ruckman Matthew Kreuzer will line up for his first game since round one last year after a long battle with foot issues and three games in the VFL.

The Blues' big man has been named to face Adelaide on Saturday afternoon at the MCG, as one of three big inclusions alongside captain Marc Murphy and Chris Judd.

They have lost Dale Thomas to a toe injury while [glow=red,2,300]Chris Yarran has been omitted [/glow]along with forward Liam Jones.

 :) :) :)

sounds like barker is setting standards...
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: laj on June 04, 2015, 06:46:55 pm
In: Marc Murphy, Chris Judd and Matthew Kreuzer
Out: Chris Yarran (omitted-disciplinary), Liam Jones (omitted) and Dale Thomas (toe injury)
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cookie2 on June 04, 2015, 06:50:52 pm
Apparently Yazz was late to Barker's team meeting last Fri. There could also be other issues but I don't know of any.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Professer E on June 04, 2015, 06:53:41 pm
We are tanking... And Yazz will almost certainly be somewhere else next year IMO.  And Walker and Touhy named after stinking it up ???
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: mina1 on June 04, 2015, 06:59:33 pm
why not name krooze as emergency reason the weather or match game fitness
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 04, 2015, 07:13:57 pm
Looks like Kreuzer will play forward. Welcome back big guy!

Would love to know the reason Yazz rocked up late. If he was out partying that is not good at all.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2015, 07:16:40 pm
We are tanking... And Yazz will almost certainly be somewhere else next year IMO.  And Walker and Touhy named after stinking it up ???

Was thinking much the same. He's looked grumpy most of the season.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: blue4life on June 04, 2015, 07:52:03 pm
I got excited when I saw the ins, then I saw the outs.
We might still give this a shake, if we get beaten I reckon it will be by less than 4 goals.
Great to see Matty Kreuzer back on the park.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: townsendcalling on June 04, 2015, 07:54:23 pm
Apparently Yazz was late to Barker's team meeting last Fri. There could also be other issues but I don't know of any.

Fairly hard to turn up late for a team meeting when you are interstate, staying in the team hotel with everyone else?????
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cimm1979 on June 04, 2015, 08:01:14 pm
If Yarran left on current form we'd be lucky to get a second round pick.

WTF is wrong with this club?
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2015, 08:01:21 pm
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Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cookie2 on June 04, 2015, 08:07:50 pm
Fairly hard to turn up late for a team meeting when you are interstate, staying in the team hotel with everyone else?????

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-04/blues-drop-chris-yarran-for-not-meeting-club-standards

There you go, if you want to split hairs be my guest.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2015, 08:12:28 pm
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-04/blues-drop-chris-yarran-for-not-meeting-club-standards

There you go, if you want to split hairs be my guest.

Bit difficult to know the exact circumstances.

Why punish the entire group ?
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cimm1979 on June 04, 2015, 08:17:05 pm
Bit difficult to know the exact circumstances.

Why punish the entire group ?

I think the leadership group started the "one in all in" about a month ago.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 04, 2015, 08:17:48 pm
I agree if it was some stupid thing it seems a little ridiculous. If it was pure laziness it has to be done.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: crashlander on June 04, 2015, 08:27:41 pm
Carlton

B: Sam Rowe, Simon White, Lachie Henderson.
HB: Sam Docherty, Zach Tuohy, Kade Simpson.
C: Marc Murphy, Chris Judd, Andrejs Everitt.
HF: Nick Graham, Andrew Walker, Tom Bell.
F: Troy Menzel, Levi Casboult, Dennis Armfield.
Foll: Cameron Wood, Andrew Carrazzo, Patrick Cripps.
Int: Dylan Buckley, Ed Curnow, Matthew Kreuzer, Jason Tutt.

Emg: David Ellard, Nick Holman, Liam Jones.

In: Marc Murphy, Chris Judd, Matthew Kreuzer.

Out: Chris Yarran (Omitted), Liam Jones (Omitted), Dale Thomas (Toe)

Adelaide Crows

B: Kyle Cheney, Daniel Talia, Rory Laird.
HB: Luke Brown, Kyle Hartigan, Jake Kelly.
C: Rory Sloane, Patrick Dangerfield, Brodie Smith.
HF: Nathan Van Berlo, Taylor Walker, Charlie Cameron.
F: Eddie Betts, Josh Jenkins, Tom Lynch.
Foll: Sam Jacobs, Scott Thompson, Matt Crouch.
Int: Matthew Wright, Mitch Grigg, David Mackay, Cam Ellis-Yolmen.

Emg: Jarryd Lyons, Brodie Martin, Reilly O'Brien.

In: Kyle Hartigan, Rory Sloane, Brodie Smith.

Out: Jake Lever (Ankle), Brodie Martin (Omitted), Jarryd Lyons (Omitted)
 
Hopefully Yazz can take it on the chin and come back better than ever. (Am I dreaming? Mmmm.) I wouldn't have played Kreuzer yet, but now he is in...
If we win this, it will be a modern miracle.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Jofo on June 04, 2015, 08:29:43 pm
Where is Jamieson?
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2015, 08:33:30 pm
I think the leadership group started the "one in all in" about a month ago.

Seems a sure fire way of building resentment towards someone, which can and usually does manifest itself on the footy field.

Do other teams have a similar policy ?
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: LP on June 04, 2015, 08:34:49 pm
Hopefully Yazz can take it on the chin and come back better than ever.

What the feck is our club doing, why even publicise the reason for his omission?

Are we getting softened up by the club, trying their best to make him look bad, so that when they sell the farm we won't be so angry?

Another above average footballer about to be offloaded because he might make someone around the club uncomfortable.

Fecking amateurs, they may sleep better with a clear conscience for being honest. But the rest of the competition thinks they are a bunch of schmucks! The opposition and media are all support and respect to our face, then probably piss themselves laughing as we turn our backs!

Who the feck in the world told Carlton that AFL teams are all love and cuddles, how about having a team that can play football and feck being best friends!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2015, 08:40:01 pm
Not quite the same thing, but in a similar vein :

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/no-drinking-before-games-football-has-become-a-nanny-state-20150604-ghgvun.html
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: blue4life on June 04, 2015, 08:45:19 pm
I think the leadership group started the "one in all in" about a month ago.

I have to say it's been a raging success so far.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Mantis on June 04, 2015, 08:48:59 pm
I have to say it's been a raging success so far.

I was thinking the exact same thing myself. We need all players on the same page though. We will never get through this all time low if we don't have the same goals with all the players.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cimm1979 on June 04, 2015, 08:50:35 pm
Seems a sure fire way of building resentment towards someone, which can and usually does manifest itself on the footy field.

Do other teams have a similar policy ?

Who knows.

It was player (leadership group) driven so the theory is it's supposed to help.

Can't help but think Yazz got hung out to dry after belting Chapman TBH.

But I'm not in the inner sanctum, so maybe Yazz agreed to it. You just don't know.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Wet Willie on June 04, 2015, 08:52:57 pm
Foxfooty mentioned it's not the first time Yarran has been slack...
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: LP on June 04, 2015, 08:54:43 pm
Who knows.

It was player (leadership group) driven so the theory is it's supposed to help.

Can't help but think Yazz got hung out to dry after belting Chapman TBH.

But I'm not in the inner sanctum, so maybe Yazz agreed to it. You just don't know.

He's been burnt twice in recent weeks, either by the club or members of it's leadership group, there is a massive tell!

I loved watching Yazz in navy blue, just like I loved watching Eddie!

Sayonara Yazz man, good luck for the future!  :-\

Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2015, 08:55:35 pm
Who knows.

It was player (leadership group) driven so the theory is it's supposed to help.

Can't help but think Yazz got hung out to dry after belting Chapman TBH.

But I'm not in the inner sanctum, so maybe Yazz agreed to it. You just don't know.

Thanks cimm.

He doesn't look happy, and hasn't most of the season. If he's agreeable, he has a funny way of showing it.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Vivian on June 04, 2015, 08:56:12 pm
I have to say it's been a raging success so far.

Exactly. Amateur hour. Why humiliating one person is considered sensible or jumping into cold water as a group likewise is beyond me.  ::)

Yarren is playing angry at the moment and it is not doing him or the team any good. He should have been told to take a week off, but dropping back to the seconds is clumsy.

I dont know what is going on with the fellow but he is in a bad place and the club is not doing him any favours with their ham fisted approach.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Mantis on June 04, 2015, 08:57:40 pm
There might be more to Yaz than many think or know about.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cimm1979 on June 04, 2015, 09:03:25 pm
Exactly. Amateur hour. Why humiliating one person is considered sensible or jumping into cold water as a group likewise is beyond me.  ::)

Yarren is playing angry at the moment and it is not doing him or the team any good. He should have been told to take a week off, but dropping back to the seconds is clumsy.

I dont know what is going on with the fellow but he is in a bad place and the club is not doing him any favours with their ham fisted approach.

These sorts of punishments are usually issued after players agree to  certain standard of behaviour.

If the agreement was that "you will be on time otherwise x happens and if it happens again, you get dropped" it might be just as clumsy to let him off the hook.

You just don't know.

He's off his feed at the moment and I just want him playing good footy. But we went through this with Jeffy and all you end up with is a player people are interested in but they don't have to pay fair value. Robbo, Eddie, Jeffy.

The only guy we shipped off and got good return was Fev, but you only get one M Voss in your footy life.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Vivian on June 04, 2015, 09:35:27 pm
These sorts of punishments are usually issued after players agree to  certain standard of behaviour.

If the agreement was that "you will be on time otherwise x happens and if it happens again, you get dropped" it might be just as clumsy to let him off the hook.

You just don't know.

He's off his feed at the moment and I just want him playing good footy. But we went through this with Jeffy and all you end up with is a player people are interested in but they don't have to pay fair value. Robbo, Eddie, Jeffy.

The only guy we shipped off and got good return was Fev, but you only get one M Voss in your footy life.

Fair point, and i dont know. But this is the time to fake an injury rather than issue a public statement that he was late to a team meeting. It humiliates the man and makes it harder to come back to the group. Given how fractured the group is right now, the management consultant in me says this is a high risk low return play.

We got smacked by 10 goals last week and the week before saw us smashed and lay only 35 tackles. Something tells me that a focus on the more important stuff might be the wiser path than demoting a player for rocking up a bit late to a meeting. Must be a few other players counting their lucky stars they got a senior game again.

Anyway, i am assuming a fair bit and dont know the whole story, but i dont like to see an individual hung out like that for a very minor infringement. Good to see Kruezer back, and maybe we can give it a shake. Go blues
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: northernblue on June 04, 2015, 09:45:00 pm
Fair point, and i dont know. But this is the time to fake an injury rather than issue a public statement that he was late to a team meeting. It humiliates the man and makes it harder to come back to the group. Given how fractured the group is right now, the management consultant in me says this is a high risk low return play.

We got smacked by 10 goals last week and the week before saw us smashed and lay only 35 tackles. Something tells me that a focus on the more important stuff might be the wiser path than demoting a player for rocking up a bit late to a meeting. Must be a few other players counting their lucky stars they got a senior game again.

Anyway, i am assuming a fair bit and dont know the whole story, but i dont like to see an individual hung out like that for a very minor infringement. Good to see Kruezer back, and maybe we can give it a shake. Go blues

But he's not hung out by the group, everyone knows who's injured and who gets dropped for disciplinary reasons... But he is being hung out for the supporters to feast upon... Is that to motivate him or to allow some to firm an opinion to move him on ?
Are we being softened up ?
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 04, 2015, 09:47:42 pm
Yarran rocked up late and got a weeks holiday...fair enough IMO and if he wants to sook about it then he can go back to WA and we will get someone more disciplined and less sensitive....
If we rock up late to work the boss doesnt buy you a latte and say well done son does he?

Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Amers on June 04, 2015, 09:48:39 pm
There are a lot of assumptions being made about the Yarran situation, with some conclusions sounding completely over the top IMO.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Vivian on June 04, 2015, 09:54:47 pm
But he's not hung out by the group, everyone knows who's injured and who gets dropped for disciplinary reasons... But he is being hung out for the supporters to feast upon... Is that to motivate him or to allow some to firm an opinion to move him on ?
Are we being softened up ?

Maybe. But im yet to see any example of humiliation in such a public fashion helping one's motivation. It stretches trust with a group further and eventually it breaks.

Perhaps it is part of some grand plan to establish and determine if he is to stay or be moved on. I have my doubts however, as the club has proven so inept that i can't see them actually excecuting such a plan and it would seem clumsy anyway.

Fear he will be at another club next year.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 04, 2015, 10:05:24 pm
Maybe. But im yet to see any example of humiliation in such a public fashion helping one's motivation. It stretches trust with a group further and eventually it breaks.

Perhaps it is part of some grand plan to establish and determine if he is to stay or be moved on. I have my doubts however, as the club has proven so inept that i can't see them actually excecuting such a plan and it would seem clumsy anyway.

Fear he will be at another club next year.

If he keeps on coming late to training he will be at another club, just because  a no name like Barker is coach it doesnt mean its holiday time or we are running club med Carlton for precious,
sensitive individuals.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: LP on June 04, 2015, 10:08:08 pm
There are a lot of assumptions being made about the Yarran situation, with some conclusions sounding completely over the top IMO.

That bloke is a match winner, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water, they can discipline him all they like but they don't have to drag him through the mud to do it!

My comments have nothing to do with dealing with Yarran from a discipline perspective, my concern is the public nature of it that is completely unnecessary! It's almost bullying!

Crape like that is In-House, not Open-House!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: LP on June 04, 2015, 10:11:10 pm
If we rock up late to work the boss doesnt buy you a latte and say well done son does he?

If the boss denigrated you in front of work-mates or the general public you could sue his arse for bullying!

Private is one thing, public is something completely different!

The way the club dealt with this is amateur, unprofessional and unnecessary. It reeks of a club pandering to the media or to strings being pulled by some back room power broker or a playing group clique!

I've had enough of the club acting like this, they can shut the feck up and get on to playing some football or the lot can get their fat arses to an EGM!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: northernblue on June 04, 2015, 10:12:25 pm
I see it as that old military discipline though... Punish the group so that they put the acid on him to lift his game.

Ps
I'm not actually advocating that any of this is factual or desirable, I'm just putting it out there for discussion...
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Mantis on June 04, 2015, 10:12:53 pm
I agree on the actions the club has taken to drop him. However I really agree with your spin on it in your last post LP. Try to keep it in-house. Make it look like he didn't pull up 100% for the match. Keeps his reputation clean if we consider trading him and keeps his value up. Plenty of players have pulled up short and missed a game. Judd, Murphy, Gibbs etc.

Northern Blue I agree with your last post too. Trying to develop team driven expectations.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: northernblue on June 04, 2015, 10:13:23 pm
If the boss denigrated you in front of work-mates or the general public you could sue his arse for bullying!

Private is one thing, public is something completely different!

There's no problem with stating facts though is there ?
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cookie2 on June 04, 2015, 10:18:34 pm
Well we don't really know all of the background details of this so it's hard to comment but I have to think that if this is all out in the public arena then it has to be something fairly significant.

I would throw in my 10c worth though - maybe the club has refused to give Yazz any firm undertaking that he won't be traded, as it did with Murphy and Gibbs, and he's not happy about that? The publicity could possibly be a softening up for the fact that he may well be leaving us - just a thought.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: LP on June 04, 2015, 10:21:12 pm
There's no problem with stating facts though is there ?

Yes there is, there are times when people need to shut the feck up and let their actions speak louder than their words.

You don't discipline a child by embarrassing them in front of their peers. You don't stand your wife on a street corner with a sign hanging around her neck when she burns the dinner.

We have publicly denigrated this bloke twice, the first time for simply taking a stand against a known sniper!

All this and the earlier events prove is that we have a bunch of complete nuffas running our club, imbeciles!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: LP on June 04, 2015, 10:23:50 pm
Well we don't really know all of the background details of this so it's hard to comment but I have to think that if this is all out in the public arena then it has to be something fairly significant.

I would throw in my 10c worth though - maybe the club has refused to give Yazz any firm undertaking that he won't be traded, as it did with Murphy and Gibbs, and he's not happy about that? The publicity could possibly be a softening up for the fact that he may well be leaving us - just a thought.

We are repeating the same mistakes we have made over and over again, the softness of our clubs management is extraordinary. They pump this up like they make the tough decisions, but to me they are walking away from blokes like Yarran, Robinson and Garlett so they don't have to deal with them.

I could wear this happening once, twice might be bad luck, but we are becoming recidivists!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: blue4life on June 04, 2015, 10:32:37 pm
I'm with LP, Yarran has been handled badly ever since he came to the club and nothing good will come of this latest slap we've given him.
He's a rare talent who could become a club legend, but I doubt that he will.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: northernblue on June 04, 2015, 10:44:15 pm
On the late to the meeting/session issue though.
There are team rules, break the rules and there MUST be consequences.
It's not a secret, it's not humiliating to the infringing player, at least no more humiliating than having to show a speed camera fine to the missus... It's about taking respond ability for your actions, and it's also about team building.
If you break your agreed rules with your team/work mates and IF you want to sook and feel humiliated because you are forced to be accountable and honest with them, then you will not have respect of your peers and I doubt you'll be employed for long.

Again I'm just playing devils advocate here, I'll be shattered if this is the situation, I don't particularly want yo see anyone be traded out, but I know that some will need to be for the greater good.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Thryleon on June 04, 2015, 10:46:12 pm
Yarran isn't being disciplined for Yarran.  He is being disciplined for the group.

It sets the tone that all will be held to higher standards than we are used to.

Unfortunately the media side of this is poor. 

Can't blame Mick for this one. 
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 05, 2015, 06:14:50 am
Thank God he's gone! At least there's one less thing to worry about. Can't wait for the game this weekend with or without Yarran. Go Blues! :D
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: kruddler on June 05, 2015, 10:12:00 am
Exactly. Amateur hour. Why humiliating one person is considered sensible or jumping into cold water as a group likewise is beyond me.  ::)

Yarren is playing angry at the moment and it is not doing him or the team any good. He should have been told to take a week off, but dropping back to the seconds is clumsy.

I dont know what is going on with the fellow but he is in a bad place and the club is not doing him any favours with their ham fisted approach.

Lets get one thing clear. Nobody is to blame except Yarran himself. He was late, and not for the first time. The sooner you take a stand on these things, the better off you'll be. Perhaps if we took such a stance in Fevs early days, he'd still be wearing Navy Blue.

Now, as for the punishment style, that is punish the whole team, it is a proven method. Billy Brownless and a few other blokes were talking about it on radio the other day as they had similar rules back in the day. Billy said there was nothing worse than knowing you were the one who let the team down. Billy said that he knew blokes who were likely to sleep in and get them all in trouble, so a few of the boys would ring him/them and ensure they were up and about and wouldn't be late. It got to the extreme at one stage where players had to physically go around and wake him/them up and drive them in to ensure everyone got there on time.

End result, brought the team closer together as they always had eachothers backs. Stopped them being late too.

Now as for the actual punishment, dipping in cold water, that is not simply to torture the guys, there is a benefit to it much like an ice bath. So while it is very uncomfortable for all the players, it has its benefits.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Brettie on June 05, 2015, 10:38:35 am
Jesus......the way some people are banging on about Yarran's punishment - you'd think he was the second coming (pun intended). Has done next to diddly-squat for us this year and as for the "He's been handled badly...." - oh purlease, give me a frickin' break.

Can't wait to see The Kreuze running around again tomorrow btw. His presence could & should change the entire functionality of the team.....and in a good way.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: ItsOurTime on June 05, 2015, 10:42:36 am
Huh? No issue with being dropped for me (not sure why they couldn't keep it in house but anyway ) did they make him have a cold water bath as "punishment"? WTF? If that's true and wasn't part of a "if you're late, you get a dunk" type jokish agreement beforehand, then this is one seriously screwed up club. Start looking at the bozos who put that Lord of the Flies crap together rather than the board and its clowns.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: rocky on June 05, 2015, 10:55:05 am
Jesus......the way some people are banging on about Yarran's punishment - you'd think he was the second coming (pun intended). Has done next to diddly-squat for us this year and as for the "He's been handled badly...." - oh purlease, give me a frickin' break.

Can't wait to see The Kreuze running around again tomorrow btw. His presence could & should change the entire functionality of the team.....and in a good way.

x 2
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: hotspur on June 05, 2015, 11:06:48 am
Jesus......the way some people are banging on about Yarran's punishment - you'd think he was the second coming (pun intended). Has done next to diddly-squat for us this year and as for the "He's been handled badly...." - oh purlease, give me a frickin' break.

Can't wait to see The Kreuze running around again tomorrow btw. His presence could & should change the entire functionality of the team.....and in a good way.
x3
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Bear on June 05, 2015, 11:45:45 am
The 6am dip in the bay for the entire team is morphing into Yaz getting waterboarded and given a code red.



Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: townsendcalling on June 05, 2015, 12:20:32 pm
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-04/blues-drop-chris-yarran-for-not-meeting-club-standards

There you go, if you want to split hairs be my guest.

Easy!! Not having a go at you, more at Yarran for being that stupid!!!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cookie2 on June 05, 2015, 12:36:51 pm
Easy!! Not having a go at you, more at Yarran for being that stupid!!!

No worries T - apologies.  8)
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on June 05, 2015, 12:45:40 pm
Jesus......the way some people are banging on about Yarran's punishment - you'd think he was the second coming (pun intended). Has done next to diddly-squat for us this year and as for the "He's been handled badly...." - oh purlease, give me a frickin' break.

One conclusion I've come to - Yarran's definitely not the Messiah. Naughty boy? Yes. Messiah? No.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Brettie on June 05, 2015, 01:48:28 pm
Apparently 300 days since our last H&A win in Australia....let the good times roll!!!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: BluesRock on June 05, 2015, 01:54:43 pm
Happy to see Kruze back, but I wonder about the wisdom of bringing him back for this game, given we have the by next week. Perhaps another game or two in the ressies would have helped his preparation for seniors better and come back after the bye.....
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: hotspur on June 05, 2015, 02:00:07 pm
Happy to see Kruze back, but I wonder about the wisdom of bringing him back for this game, given we have the by next week. Perhaps another game or two in the ressies would have helped his preparation for seniors better and come back after the bye.....
BR I am with you ,hopefully he as fully recovered,as this could be the end of the KKKKRRRRREEEUUUUUUUUZZZ
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: ItsOurTime on June 05, 2015, 02:12:11 pm
Apparently 300 days since our last H&A win in Australia....let the good times roll!!!

Looks like it will be 300 days if we drop the Adelaide game but we haven't broken the good old 300 yet (last Aussie win = 20 August)
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: laj on June 05, 2015, 02:17:40 pm
Apparently 300 days since our last H&A win in Australia....let the good times roll!!!

We're unbeaten in NZ though. Seems we need to move our home base to Wellington. We'd get 11 wins...lol!!!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Baggers on June 05, 2015, 06:18:49 pm
Wouldn't surprise me if Murph is out and Ellard comes in.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 05, 2015, 07:15:11 pm
Ugggghhh....surely we can do better than Ellard.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Amers on June 05, 2015, 08:23:56 pm
Re Yarran, if you are an AFL footballer you are a public figure. Don't like that fact, go play at a lower level. If a public figure breaks the rules, whether team rules or the law of the land, if you get caught, it's going to be made public.

If the team rules are be late to a meeting, miss a game, then so be it.
If any player was dropped unexpectedly with no explanation, we would all be complaining about a lack of communication with club members and supporters, give an explanation and some want to cry that the player is being hung out to dry, you can't have it both ways.

In my eyes the club is simply explaining it's actions. if a player is embarrassed by that, don't commit the crime.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 05, 2015, 09:04:35 pm
The Denver Broncos have started fining players for farting in meetings! I hope Yazz isn't the flatulent type!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Juddkreuzer on June 05, 2015, 09:16:11 pm
The Denver Broncos have started fining players for farting in meetings! !

We all know the ones you hear are less deadly than the ones you don't. My question is how to they lay blame for the ones you don't hear? :P
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 05, 2015, 09:20:58 pm
Ugggghhh....surely we can do better than Ellard.

x2  I'd play Holman ahead of Ellard...
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cimm1979 on June 06, 2015, 12:47:32 am
We are shorter odds than the Tigers were tonight.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 06, 2015, 06:08:38 am
We all know the ones you hear are less deadly than the ones you don't. My question is how to they lay blame for the ones you don't hear? :P

It's always the bloke who can't keep a straight face! :))
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Lods on June 06, 2015, 09:06:47 am
Well we didn't get the full-coach replacement bump last week.

I did detect a bit more effort and given the quality of the opposition and the decimated nature of the team the performance was probably about expectations.

The real danger is that today (without that coach bump) we put in a weak performance.
In some respects this is an even more important game than last week because it sets the benchmark for the rest of the season.

Barker didn't get much of a chance to impact in the chaotic events of last week because most people at the club  would have been dealing with the turmoil of coach change.

We'll get a better idea of the style of play under Barker and also the standard in terms of effort and intensity in the coming weeks...starting with today.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 06, 2015, 09:13:18 am
I'm a little concerned lods that Barker may be following in Mick's footsteps a little too much. I mean why did he need to talk to him twice before last week's game? There's still no Boekhurst or Jaksch, Army and Ellard are in the 25. Buckley started sub. Let's see how we go this today.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cimm1979 on June 06, 2015, 09:37:27 am
I'm a little concerned lods that Barker may be following in Mick's footsteps a little too much. I mean why did he need to talk to him twice before last week's game? There's still no Boekhurst or Jaksch, Army and Ellard are in the 25. Buckley started sub. Let's see how we go this today.

Not sure but I did read that, due to the timing of Micks sacking he only had 20 minutes with the team before the swans game.

As for Army, he's still one of our few 4/4 players and did a good job on Danger before.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 06, 2015, 09:40:30 am
But he has enormous deficiencies and wont be there next year. Playing him ahead of guys like Boeky seems contradictory to where the club say they are headed. JUst like Mick.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: cimm1979 on June 06, 2015, 09:49:16 am
But he has enormous deficiencies and wont be there next year. Playing him ahead of guys like Boeky seems contradictory to where the club say they are headed. JUst like Mick.

The biggest deficiency is lack of effort.
Barker has been clear that what he wants to see is effort.
Boek is going ok but can't run out a whole game. He's had a taste he will certainly play 1sts again.

Barker also said he'll be working closely with SOS for the remainder of the season, which I take to mean they have a plan for when, where and who comes in during the season.

Right now I reckon they are giving Graham and Bucks an extended run, I hope.
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: bratblue on June 06, 2015, 10:10:00 am
We all know the ones you hear are less deadly than the ones you don't. My question is how to they lay blame for the ones you don't hear? :P

And when its the coach. Reminds me of when I was a teacher. :)
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: Gokz93 on June 06, 2015, 12:22:48 pm
No late changes!
Title: Re: Round 10: Carlton vs Adelaide Pre Game Palaver
Post by: blue4life on June 06, 2015, 01:23:56 pm
No late changes!

Great, I've been waiting forever to see Kreuzer play.
A reasonable team effort but a 4 or 5 goal loss coming up I reckon, unless someone out of the blue kicks a bag.