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Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #60 –
Looks like we might get 3 blokes nailing in the 30s. With a more attacking plan maybe even more, especially if we keep kicking 100 as losing scores..lol.

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #61 –
Quote from: Lods – on
After 13 games

2016
Goals 142 Behinds 123-(For 975 against 1202)
Percentage 81.1 %

2017
Goals 137 Behinds 118-(For 940 against 1150 )
Percentage 81.7 %

2018
Goals-117  Behinds - 116
Percentage  62.7 % (For- 818, Against- 1305)

2019
(Target 2018-Goals 192- Behinds 201- For 1353)
Goals -132 Behinds- 124
Percentage 79% (For- 916 Against -1159)


Goalkickers

2017

Casboult 20
Wright 17
Silvagni 11
Gibbs 11

2018

Curnow 19
M Wright 14
McKay 12
Casboult 12

2019
((Target 2018- Charlie Curnow 34-20 -224)
McKay 19-18- 132
C .Curnow 18-7-115
McGovern 16-4- 100
Cripps 10-4-64

-Charlie goes BANG and moves to second on the goalkicking after a slow start to the year he’s every chance of beating last years total.

With the change of coach it might be interesting to chart the changes to the scoring from the end of Round 11 for the remainder of the year.
Will we be a higher scoring team?
Will our defence hold up?
How will the percentages compare?

The last two weeks results will mean that this initially will look good in comparison. Will that be sustained over the rest of the season or will those results come back to be closer together at the end of the year.

First 11 games
Totals
Goals-106 Behinds- 102 
Percentage 74.3 % (For- 738, Against- 993)
Average
Goals 9.6 Behinds 9.3
For 67 Against 90

Second 11 games (after 2 games)
Goals 26 behinds 22
Percentage 107.2% (For 178 Against 166)
Average
Goals 13 behinds 11
For 89 Against 83

* Those interested in a direct comparison-After 2 rounds of the season we'd scored 20-16 -136 to 27-23 -185...our percentage at the time 73.5%

Percentage decent increase from 63% to 79% - despite the BB debacle. 79 is still not great though obviously.

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #62 –
After 14 games

2016

Goals 148 Behinds 132-(For 1020 Against 1259)
Percentage 81.0 %

2017

Goals 149 Behinds 123-( For 1017  Against 1239 )
Percentage 82.1 %

2018

Goals-127  Behinds - 125  (For- 887 , Against- 1395)
Percentage  63.6 %

2019
Goals-143 Behinds-137 (For 995, Against 1234)
Percentage 80.6%


Goalkickers

2017
Casboult 20
Wright 17
Silvagni 11
Gibbs 11

2018
Curnow 19
M Wright 14
McKay 12
Casboult 12

2019

((Target 2018- Charlie Curnow 34-20 -224)
McKay 19-18- 132
C .Curnow 18-8-116
McGovern 17-5-107
Cripps 10-4-64

The defence has now had less points scored against it for the same stage of the season since Bolton took over.

Hardly any movement on the goalkicking table with three of the four leaders out or injured early and possibly missing again this week.

Teague watch

First 11 games
Totals
Goals-106 Behinds- 102 
Percentage 74.3 % (For- 738, Against- 993)
Average
Goals 9.6 Behinds 9.3
For 67 Against 90

Second 11 games (after 3 games)
Totals
Goals 37 behinds 35 v 35 Goals -31 Behinds
Percentage 106.6 % (For 257, Against 241)
Average
Goals 12.3 behinds 11.7
For 86 Against 80
 

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #63 –
After 15 games

2016

Goals 155 Behinds 137-(For-1067  Against 1366)
Percentage 78.1%

2017(

Goals 161 Behinds 133-(For-1099  Against 1329 )
Percentage 82.7 %

2018

Goals-134  Behinds - 138  (For- 942 , Against- 1515)
Percentage  62.2 %

2019
(Target 2018-Goals 192- Behinds 201- For 1353)
Goals-158 Behinds- 147 (For-1095, Against- 1339)
Percentage-81.8%

Goalkickers
((Target 2018- Charlie Curnow 34-20 -224)

2017

Casboult 23
Wright 20
Silvagni 15
Gibbs 13

2018

Curnow 26
M Wright 14
McKay 12
Casboult 12

2019
McKay 19-18-132
C Curnow 18-8 -116
Mc Govern 17-7-109
Silvagni 10 -6- 66
Cripps 10 -4 -64

Not a lot of movement this week.
2018 sticks out as a very poor year but not a lot of statistical change between the other years. The points for and against and percentage are pretty stable for the other years.
The goalkicking table has stalled a bit with our top 2 guys out of action and McGovern struggling.
The significant change is the scoring increase since Teague took over where we’re up about 4 goals per game.


Teague watch

First 11 games
Totals
Goals-106 Behinds- 102 
Percentage 74.3 % (For- 738, Against- 993)
Average
Goals 9.6 Behinds 9.3
For 67 Against 90

Second 11 games (after 4 games)
Totals
Goals 52 behinds 45 v 50 Goals -46 Behinds
Percentage 103.2 % (For 357, Against 346)
Average
Goals 13 behinds 11.3
For 89 Against 87

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #64 –
^^

Its worth mentioning, that Brisbane aside, we are yet to face a serious side when it comes to scoring.  Melbourne have been notoriously bad this season at converting forward entries into Goals which is the biggest concern from last weekends game.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #65 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
^^

Its worth mentioning, that Brisbane aside, we are yet to face a serious side when it comes to scoring.  Melbourne have been notoriously bad this season at converting forward entries into Goals which is the biggest concern from last weekends game.

Haven't we played just about everyone?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #67 –
A lot of good judges put a lot of stock in percentage for judging a developing team. So if you just look at that:

2016
Percentage 78.1%

2017
Percentage 82.7 %

2018
Percentage  62.2 %

2019
BOLTON
Percentage 74.3 %

TEAGUE
Percentage 103.2 %

That is stark comparison and sums up just how good Teague has been (albeit limited data set). Thanks for keeping this tally going Lods. It is the most tangible illustration of where we are at in my opinion.

I just hope Teague can keep this going!

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #68 –
Thanks jeza.

Teague's percentage has been coming down a point or two each week since the Brisbane game.
A nice 4 or 5 goal win on the weekend would give it a bit of a boost.

It would be a very good achievement if he can keep it above the 100% because that would no doubt mean we would have won a few more games by season's end. (unless we lost every game by a point  ;) )

The fact that we've increased our overall percentage from 74.3% to 81.8% since the change is a positive.
We've been able to increase scoring by 20 odd points a game but have lost nothing in terms of points scored against us.

If we could scrub first quarter efforts it would look even more impressive.

Still it is only four games, so it will be interesting to compare the figures over the whole season.

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #69 –
I think i pointed our earlier this season that our % under Bolton was the highest it had been since Mick was coach.

We were certainly trending in the right direction and a few too many losses including a couple of beltings damaged his chances beyond repair. But take away those last 6 or so weeks and we were seeing basically the same things we are seeing under Teague now....maybe with a bit more luck on our side.

If Teague has a 10 goal loss in the next few games, then he's probably on a par with what Bolton was doing. Big difference, close wins instead of close losses.

Its a cut throat world the footy world.

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #70 –
How does Teagues percentage look with the GWS game included?

How would Bolton's look without said match?

Percentage is a very flaky indicator.   One bad game can make it look really bad if you aren't winning well most weeks.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #71 –
At the start of the season when you're dealing with small numbers percentages can fluctuate wildly from week to week.
After only 4 games it's the same with Teague's numbers.

Say we win the game this week 100 points to 60 our percentage under Teague will be around 113%
A forty point win will change his percentage by nearly 10 percentage points.

On the other hand if we lose by 60 points to 100 our percentage under Teague will be around 93%
A forty point loss will change the percentage by around 10 percentage points the other way.
Win or lose by 40 points can make a 20point difference in your percentage with small numbers.

Contrast that with a 40 point loss to Essendon in Rd 11 where our percentage went from76.7 to 74.3
The same 40 point loss only resulted in a less than 3% change in percentage.

With bigger 'For and Against' totals (around 1100 to 1300) the margins and big wins and losses don't impact to the same extent as the do when you're dealing with numbers around the 350 to 400 mark

So while we can't put a lot of store in Teague's percentage in isolation at present it will be more comparable after he's had the same 11 games that Bolton had.
It is trending in the right direction at the moment and what can't be denied is that under him it has improved from 74.3% to 81.8%

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #72 –
As I said - limited data set under Teague.

But to take the same group of players that Bolton had and produce this for even 4 weeks is certainly a credit to him.

As everyone quite rightly points out it could all fall apart this week - but so far so good.

Smashing the Swans would be handy!

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #73 –
After 16 games

2016

Goals 166 Behinds 146-(For 1142 - Against- 1448)
Percentage 78.9%

2017

Goals 170 Behinds 141- (For 1161- against- 1411)
Percentage 82.3 %

2018

Goals-141  Behinds - 148  (For- 994 , Against- 1631)
Percentage  60.9%

2019
(Target 2018-Goals 192- Behinds 201- For 1353)
Goals-167 Behinds- 162 (For-1164, Against- 1401)
Percentage-83.1%


Goalkickers
((Target 2018- Charlie Curnow 34-20 -224)

2017
Casboult 24
Wright 23
Silvagni 15
Gibbs 14
Curnow 12

2018

Curnow 27
M Wright 14
McKay 12
Casboult 12

2019
Harry McKay 20-21-141
Charli Curnow 18-8-116
Mitch McGovern 17-7-109
Jack Silvagni 11-8-74
Michael Gibbons 10-10-70
Patrick Cripps 10-6-66
Levi Casboult 10-6-66

A few minor changes but nothing too dramatic….Picked up a small percentage gain
Our Points For and Points Against, as well as Percentage, are now the best they’ve been to this point of the season since the rebuild began.

Teague watch

First 11 games
Totals
Goals-106 Behinds- 102 
Percentage 74.3 % (For- 738, Against- 993)
Average
Goals 9.6 Behinds 9.3
For 67 Against 90

Second 11 games (after 5 games)
Totals
Goals 61 behinds 60 v 58 Goals -60 Behinds
Percentage 104.4 % (For 426, Against 408)
Average
Goals 12.2 behinds 12
For 85.2 Against 81.6

Re: Goaltracker 2019

Reply #74 –
After 17 games

2016

Goals 176 Behinds 154-(For 1210- Against- 1522)
Percentage 79.5%

2017

Goals 181 Behinds 157-(For 1243- Against- 1523)
Percentage 81.6%

2018

Goals-148  Behinds - 158  (For- 1046 , Against- 1755)
Percentage  59.6 %

2019
(Target 2018-Goals 192- Behinds 201- For 1353)
Goals- 182 Behinds-171 (For-1263, Against 1476)
Percentage-85.6%


Goalkickers
(Target 2018- Charlie Curnow 34-20 -224)

2017

Casboult 25
Wright 25
Silvagni 15
Gibbs 14
Curnow 14

2018

Curnow 28
M Wright 15
McKay 12
Casboult 12

2019
McKay 22-23-155
Curnow 18-8-116
McGovern 17-7-109
Gibbons 11-10-76
Silvagni 11-9-75
Casboult 11-7-73
Cripps 11-6-72

After 17 games we’re within 10 goals of last year’s 22 game total.
Percentage wise we continue the upward trend under Teague... up more than 10% since round 11.
It’s a bit of a dubious comparison because we’ve played different sides and there have been some significant changes but…. had we started the season with the results of the last six weeks we would have been sitting sixth, ahead of current top eight clubs - West Coast Richmond, Brisbane, Essendon and Adelaide.

A ladder conducted over the last six weeks sees us as the 5th most successful club during that period


Teague watch

First 11 games
Totals
Goals-106 Behinds- 102 
Percentage 74.3 % (For- 738, Against- 993)
Average
Goals 9.6 Behinds 9.3
For 67 Against 90

Second 11 games (after 6 games)
Totals
Goals -76 Behinds 69 v 69 Goals -69 Behinds
Percentage 108.7 % (For 525, Against 483)
Average
Goals 12.6 behinds 11.5
For 87.5 Against 80.5