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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #150
They laid 88 tackles last night, their season average is 67.6. Their 2023 season average for tackles was 64.1. You won't be laying 88 tackles very often in one season. The link between their high tackle numbers and the I50 differential seems pretty clear in my non expert opinion.
Funny how they picked our game to lay 88 tackles.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #151
So far this year all our losses have been on us. We have lost them ourselves alot more than the other side won them. essentially our own dumb fault. Lost very narrowly to a couple of very good sides despite playing poor footy. Essentially a lack of the intensity we had last year. What we do this year is up to us, no-one else. Play with the right intensity and we roll anyone. Hopefully this happens when the whips crack in the 2nd half of the year when it is time to peak.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #152
Yep he nailed it and I thought the midfield stuff was on the money too, they had a plan , worked us out and I thought Pendlebury was finished but he played some game on the bigger Cripps.

Isn't this where our coaching staff should earn their loot? Counteracting opposition tactics is where game day coaching skills are a premium. Turn the tables, give them something to think about... give our blokes strategies to deal with and counteract.

If their tackle count is going through the roof... what are we going to do about it? Fight fire with fire? There must be things we could have done, I would have thought. Do we have someone in the coaching box assigned such a task - skillful, tactical changes? (Welcome back to PP, Ratts as the game day strategy coach... just the bloke we need!)

And while I'm at it... that public spray from Vossy at Cerra is an alarm bell. Not on. The first thing Vossy, as the leader, should have asked himself was, "This is on me. What haven't I got through to this bloke for him to not be going forward with disposals?" A reflection of your leadership clarity of communication, Vossy? I know there are those who believe a good old-fashioned spray is good stuff - nuh. A quiet, motivating yet firm explanation in Cerra's ear (encouragement to the positive, not berating from the negative) would have been far more productive.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #153
So far this year all our losses have been on us. We have lost them ourselves alot more than the other side won them. essentially our own dumb fault. Lost very narrowly to a couple of very good sides despite playing poor footy. Essentially a lack of the intensity we had last year. What we do this year is up to us, no-one else. Play with the right intensity and we roll anyone. Hopefully this happens when the whips crack in the 2nd half of the year when it is time to peak.

Exactamundo. Well said.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #154
Charlie might be carrying a niggle that is preventing him from churning out kms or being explosive. Who knows? All I can see is that he isn't himself. Again, I dont want to highlight him when you have 7 or 8 that were very bad.

I don't recall him bending over to try and pick up a ball much in recent games.
I'm sure there is probably some vision of him doing that, but recently....
If he loses a contest it's sometimes a case of 'that's all folks'.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing sore.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #155
And while I'm at it... that public spray from Vossy at Cerra is an alarm bell. Not on. The first thing Vossy, as the leader, should have asked himself was, "This is on me. What haven't I got through to this bloke for him to not be going forward with disposals?" A reflection of your leadership clarity of communication, Vossy? I know there are those who believe a good old-fashioned spray is good stuff - nuh. A quiet, motivating yet firm explanation in Cerra's ear (encouragement to the positive, not berating from the negative) would have been far more productive.

Hard to know without a bit of background.
It probably stood out because it’s not something we’ve seen from Voss a lot in his time at Carlton.
It may be that he’d checked Cerra earlier in the game about a similar incident, and gave him instructions not to repeat it.
You could understand that having been told once the coach would have been upset if  Cerra had gone against a specific instruction.

 

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #156
I don't recall him bending over to try and pick up a ball much in recent games.
I'm sure there is probably some vision of him doing that, but recently....
If he loses a contest it's sometimes a case of 'that's all folks'.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing sore.

Charles has become something of a (considerable) impact player. Very little for 100 minutes + 15-20 minutes of freaky stuff. Aint enough. Like others I've noticed that with aggot in hand up the field he is deadly with his inside 50 disposal. More please. And if he's playing injured, how come and what is it? Maybe his knee issues are such that there are just things he can no longer do? Are we nursing him through games? Yep, this is what happens when we don't know... speculation sets in.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #157
Hard to know without a bit of background.
It probably stood out because it’s not something we’ve seen from Voss a lot in his time at Carlton.
It may be that he’d checked Cerra earlier in the game about a similar incident, and gave him instructions not to repeat it.
You could understand that having been told once the coach would have been upset if  Cerra had gone against a specific instruction.


But then, again, you'd ask yourself how come he hasn't got it? I doubt Cerra is deliberately disobeying instructions. If he is - Magoo time.

I noticed during the game an inordinate frequency of us going backwards with handball and short kicks - probably due to Rottingwood extreme pressure -- so, how come? Do our blokes not know how to deal with extreme pressure? Perhaps a throw back to the past where we'd collapse under real pressure - can't handle being the hunted? How come we're seemingly not prepared for an opponents best?

Where has our 'hunting' gone? For a period last year we went after aggot and opponent with commitment and ruthlessness (relentless/sustained 'hunting'). But not this year. Have we decided to just rely on the talent on our list and game plan and ignored between the lugholes stuff? 'Staying present' is one slice of the psychological pie... but there is much, much more.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #158
So far this year all our losses have been on us. We have lost them ourselves alot more than the other side won them. essentially our own dumb fault. Lost very narrowly to a couple of very good sides despite playing poor footy. Essentially a lack of the intensity we had last year. What we do this year is up to us, no-one else. Play with the right intensity and we roll anyone. Hopefully this happens when the whips crack in the 2nd half of the year when it is time to peak.
Whilst I think we need to beat the contenders, I'd more pissed off or concerned if we dropped more games like the Adelaide one where we simply should not have.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #159
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Who's Stanley?
plays for Geelong.  It happened against Max gawn in a marking contest.  Hand wrapped around the back, other arms locked.  Gawn got hands to the footy and Stanley wore him like a glove. 


"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #160
Charles has become something of a (considerable) impact player. Very little for 100 minutes + 15-20 minutes of freaky stuff. Aint enough. Like others I've noticed that with aggot in hand up the field he is deadly with his inside 50 disposal. More please. And if he's playing injured, how come and what is it? Maybe his knee issues are such that there are just things he can no longer do? Are we nursing him through games? Yep, this is what happens when we don't know... speculation sets in.

I’m sure in an interview early this year Charlie said he’s on a modified program because of his knees, it sounded like he doesn’t get encouraged to do more than light running.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #161
I’m sure in an interview early this year Charlie said he’s on a modified program because of his knees, it sounded like he doesn’t get encouraged to do more than light running.


Thank you for that clarification, NB. Although perhaps not able to do everything he'd like to, with his freakish abilities Charles will still require the opposition's best each week... because if he does get off the leash close to goal...
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #162

Fans want to whack Williams, but what he did players do all the time and do not get pinged. The willingness of fans to throw rocks at Williams goes back to when he signed on, fans bitched and moaned about the dollars, but that is not Williams fault, much like it wasn't the fault of Martin or McGovern before him. But the dollars put him in the sh1thouse with many fans forever more, with the dollars promoting some weird sort of tall poppy syndrome!


I don't think we're throwing rocks at Williams, Spotted One. I think we're throwing rocks at our coaching. Williams is a creative player by nature so giving him a lockdown role is a throw back to our 'bad old days'... square pegs in round holes. He was set up for failure. To his credit he showed character with his determination to make the best of a bad situation and gave his all. But the damage was done; the horse had bolted.

As LAJ noted, I believe very accurately, our losses this year have been of our own making. Not umpires - though in that Pussycats game there were some howlers.

I have no doubts we're a very good bottom eight side, just a whisker from top four, a far cry from years gone by. Against very good top eight sides we either win narrowly or lose narrowly. No more blowouts.

But with such improvement comes much increased attention and expectation. Opposition sides now put a great deal of preparation into stopping us, seemingly successfully thus far. So our coaching needs to be better... obviously. (For the record I'm not in the 'sack the coach' group, or the 'Voss can't coach,' clan... nuh. Nothing could be further from my mind, and I believe nothing could be further from the truth. He's our man and I hope he's a ten year (+) senior coach at the good ship PP, but he's still learning and growing and making mistakes).

So we find ourselves putting all our faith in the return of Martin & Gov this week. Mm. The upside of a Martin return is Fantasia being sent back to the Magoos to work hard on getting his mojo back. No matter how you slice it, OF has been a liability. And small Durds would also benefit from Magoo time... but give him a midfield role, teach him to hunt the aggot, back himself, rack up possessions.

And our midfield coach needs to be smarter re how to combat opposition sides blocking & teaming against Crippa and Walshy. Hoping the umpires will help us is a folly, borderline illegal tactics are a reality. Develop a strategy, give the players tools to combat this. You can bet that the Go Dees will pour over the Rottingwood game and to a degree emulate strategies to blunt our blokes a la what was done on Friday night.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #163
Lever and May typically dine out against our amateur delivery into F50 but we actually match up well against the dees in one area - their midfield is built around crash 'n' bash (like ours) not speed.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #164
Lever and May typically dine out against our amateur delivery into F50.
Yes, it a nightmare to come up against them after they've torched the Handbaggers and we are on a dud roll of epic proportions!
The Force Awakens!