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Enjoy. Hopefully with the right result.

No-one, I mean NO-ONE beats Carlton 15 times in a row!!!

Well that was unexpected.

Well that was unexpected.

We've gone from near spoon favourites to 4th last in one go with a good chance of staying there.

No-one, I mean NO-ONE beats Carlton 15 times in a row!!!

There's no like button!

Awesome win by the boys. Love that winning feeling. They clearly need to lunch with the old premiership teams more often.

[glow=red,2,300][/glow] Jarrod Picket has arrived, now I'm looking for more Green Shoots...gonna re watch the game now, by the way, get stuffed Hawthorn...Yesssss ;D

Those are the wins that can make a side.
It's uncanny watching Byrne play, it's as if he grew up with the game.
Boekhorst has played himself into another contract this past fortnight and we'd need rocks in our head not to sign Daisy, Murphy was superb, BOG by a fair margin.
Has Jones played enough games to be All Australian?

Pickett! Winning! Against the Hawks! Wooooooo!

We really needed that win for the belief of the group moving into next year.

Great win, and some major contribution from some lessor names , Pickett, Fisher & Boekhurst ,

Like Byrne, makes good decisions and executes smartly.  Runs in straight lines.

We really needed that win for the belief of the group moving into next year.

No doubt the Hawks are in a lull at the moment. But it's certainly good to get that monkey off the back. Before tonight, apparently Simmo is the only current player to play in a win v the Hawks.

That was good, real good.
The right time and the right side to beat
It will give the collective group belief going into pre season.

Pickett stepped up, so did fisher. Boekhurst played well too

Well done blues

Ladies and gents. My NB post:

Great win by the boys.
Who knows maybe this be another double take performance. The sort where our seniors mimic the two's.
Hey it would be something else for our seniors to break the Hawks:100 hoodoo ;)

Hoodoo no more. Woohoo ;D

HAWTHORN

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No doubt the Hawks are in a lull at the moment. But it's certainly good to get that monkey off the back. Before tonight, apparently Simmo is the only current player to play in a win v the Hawks.

Yeah, in his 5th ever game.

Played 280 since....and probably missed a few along the way.

4000+ days since our last win!

No doubt the Hawks are in a lull at the moment. But it's certainly good to get that monkey off the back. Before tonight, apparently Simmo is the only current player to play in a win v the Hawks.

If you don't count Daisy as a Carlton player maybe.

Ummm, were we a little bit unsociable tonight???

Awesome win by the boys. Love that winning feeling. They clearly need to lunch with the old premiership teams more often.

X2.
What a night it will be celebrating that hard fought win.

Ummm, were we a little bit unsociable tonight???

Led by the squirts no less. Lamb and ZacAttack led the way IMO.
Oh and coached by the smallest coach in the system :))

No doubt the Hawks are in a lull at the moment. But it's certainly good to get that monkey off the back. Before tonight, apparently Simmo is the only current player to play in a win v the Hawks.

Billie Smedts, as well as Daisy.

Pickett has really grown in confidence.

Billie Smedts, as well as Daisy.

Simmo is the only current player who was wearing a Carlton jumper when we last beat them. But I take your point and that of Mr. B4L.

Billie Smedts, as well as Daisy.

We have a few from other clubs like Lamb, Doc Kerridge and Wright. Have to check to see if they've nailed a win against the Hawks too. Maybe something to fill in time tomorrow.

And Jed Lamb has discovered a bit of C in his game...I like him a lot, he's starting to find his place in the game finally...bring on 2018

4000 days, two marriages, a business, four jobs, a son, death of best mate.......

So much has happened in my life since 2005, that is the corner turner, in the words of Yazz, the only way is up!!!

Love being a Blues supporter, those '87 boys the next era is dawning right now

We have a few from other clubs like Lamb, Doc Kerridge and Wright. Have to check to see if they've nailed a win against the Hawks too. Maybe something to fill in time tomorrow.

Did all that before i came up with Billie Smedts.

Lamb, Marchbank, Plowman, Wright, Kerridge, Jones, Docherty.....all failed to get a win against Hawks.

Did all that before i came up with Billie Smedts.

Lamb, Marchbank, Plowman, Wright, Kerridge, Jones, Docherty.....all failed to get a win against Hawks.

Lol! I'll have to find something else to do tomorrow.

Not surprised, they didn't lose to too many.

Did all that before i came up with Billie Smedts.

Lamb, Marchbank, Plowman, Wright, Kerridge, Jones, Docherty.....all failed to get a win against Hawks.

All of them bar Marchbank have got one now, plus another dozen or so, and we officially ended Hawthorn's season.
Sweet!

Just watched Carko's press conference didn't take much for his 'gutter rat' trates to rresurface, quotes like:
'That's how Carlton play, when they win it's 12 goals to 10', he also said our tactics on Sicily would be a good learning for his team and was happy it for it to happen in a dead rubber, well last time I checked Clarko you were still talking finals before we pulled your pants down tonight...sucked in you sniper.

That's what I love to see! A stadium full of very glum and unhappy Hawks fans and all because of us!  :))

We played out the 4Qs tonight and it paid off in spades. I was doubly delighted since the whole team put in and our younger guys were great. Kudos to Bolts, SOS, and the whole coaching team. The future is starting to look bright.

So very, very good to see us win on the back of our newbies. Everything else is a distraction, our emerging culture and youth won the day.

HAWTHORN

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Yes please :))

Those are the wins that can make a side.
It's uncanny watching Byrne play, it's as if he grew up with the game.
Boekhorst has played himself into another contract this past fortnight and we'd need rocks in our head not to sign Daisy, Murphy was superb, BOG by a fair margin.
Has Jones played enough games to be All Australian?

Boekhorst isnt up to it..needs to go...turned the ball over tonight and never picks up his man....
Daisy on the other hand earned his money and was good value.
Liam Jones BOG for me....Docherty next best and Weitering was very good..

I thought that fact our team knows how to setup defensively played a huge part in tonight's win. As soon as the ball was turned over we were straight into our roles, it was great to see and I believe it is why Bolton has implemented the plan he has to date.

To drum in over and over again that the players need to know their roles and that the slower movement game plan we have been playing has helped us adjust to that. With the idea being that as the game plan quickens it is already set in our minds.

I have considered our last 2 weeks to be the next step in the Carlton evolution and I stick to my comment that we will finish top 10 next year.

It was nice to see Weitering back to playing with the poise he showed last year. He should get that shoulder right over the pre season and be ready for his best year next year.

Boekhorst isnt up to it..needs to go...turned the ball over tonight and never picks up his man....
Daisy on the other hand earned his money and was good value.
Liam Jones BOG for me....Docherty next best and Weitering was very good..

Strange game by Boekhorst... got a bit of the ball, but did 3 or 4 of the stupidest/zero awareness/panicky things I've just about seen this year!

Tom Mitchell may be thinking he chose the wrong boat. ???
Would've been a good father son selection.

My wife is a hawthorn fan and in our 11 years it has been one sided. We even had to split the kids in terms of who barracks for who.

I always thought that when Carlton finally won I would watch it over and over. Not so certain about that one. It was hardly a win for the ages, and looked every part the round 22 dead rubber it was.

But grand to win and sing the song.

The ruck duel was excellent with both at the top of their game. It was the highest quality aspect of the match.

Docherty, Murphy, Jones, weitering were the best for mine. We fumbled plenty and looked a bit confused at times as we looked at times to go forward and preferred to kick sideways.

Still, we scratched out a score. Lamb looked like he belonged and wright is our most creative forward.

Sicily gave away 7 frees, helping us out plenty. Hodge too played like a man with one foot out the door.

And we are in 15th, rocketing up the ladder. Great to win

My wife is a hawthorn fan and in our 11 years it has been one sided. We even had to split the kids in terms of who barracks for who.

Wouldn't happen on my watch.

4000 days, two marriages, a business, four jobs, a son, death of best mate.......

So much has happened in my life since 2005, that is the corner turner, in the words of Yazz, the only way is up!!!

Love being a Blues supporter, those '87 boys the next era is dawning right now

Good Lord - a lifetime's worth of experiences in a decade and a bit. Hope you're in a better place now matey

Did all that before i came up with Billie Smedts.

Lamb, Marchbank, Plowman, Wright, Kerridge, Jones, Docherty.....all failed to get a win against Hawks.

For completeness sake, Gorringe and Phillips also failed to get a win over the hawks in there career.

Alex Silvagni did manage to get a couple as well at Freo.

Green shoots before the green shoots thread :
1. Pickett's tackle on Gunston
2. Lamb needling Sicilia to give away 7 frees
3. The win

My wife is a hawthorn fan and in our 11 years it has been one sided. We even had to split the kids in terms of who barracks for who.

I always thought that when Carlton finally won I would watch it over and over. Not so certain about that one. It was hardly a win for the ages, and looked every part the round 22 dead rubber it was.

But grand to win and sing the song.

The ruck duel was excellent with both at the top of their game. It was the highest quality aspect of the match.

Docherty, Murphy, Jones, weitering were the best for mine. We fumbled plenty and looked a bit confused at times as we looked at times to go forward and preferred to kick sideways.

Still, we scratched out a score. Lamb looked like he belonged and wright is our most creative forward.

Sicily gave away 7 frees, helping us out plenty. Hodge too played like a man with one foot out the door.

And we are in 15th, rocketing up the ladder. Great to win

It was far from a dead rubber, Hawks had plenty to play for. Makes the win even more noteworthy!

Boekhorst isnt up to it..needs to go...turned the ball over tonight and never picks up his man....
Daisy on the other hand earned his money and was good value.
Liam Jones BOG for me....Docherty next best and Weitering was very good..

A fortnight ago I would have agreed with you but Boekhorst won't be getting delisted in my opinion.
He does some rabbit in the spotlight things but he knows where the ball is and has genuine pace and skill, his goal against West Coast last week was top shelf.

A fortnight ago I would have agreed with you but Boekhorst won't be getting delisted in my opinion.
He does some rabbit in the spotlight things but he knows where the ball is and has genuine pace and skill, his goal against West Coast last week was top shelf.

I think Bolts sees Boeky as our Isaac Smith. He needs to toughen up a bit and be a bit more composed.

It was far from a dead rubber, Hawks had plenty to play for. Makes the win even more noteworthy!

Yep, to anyone who thinks it was dead rubber meaningless I would return an old Carlton saying Pigs Arse.

I think Bolts sees Boeky as our Isaac Smith. He needs to toughen up a bit and be a bit more composed.

Composure could come with experience, although he's 22 or 23 he hasn't played much senior football.
At the very least he can be called up to the seniors in the event of injury and not disgrace himself.

I think Bolts sees Boeky as our Isaac Smith. He needs to toughen up a bit and be a bit more composed.

I hope not, because there's a big difference between a regular in a 3peat flag team, and someone who can barely get a game in a cellar dweller team. I think from memory he was almost a Norm Smith medallist in one of the grand finals.

I like Boeky, but let's not get silly here.

I hope not, because there's a big difference between a regular in a 3peat flag team, and someone who can barely get a game in a cellar dweller team. I think from memory he was almost a Norm Smith medallist in one of the grand finals.

I like Boeky, but let's not get silly here.

Smith was taken the pick after Watson, if only................

Smith was taken the pick after Watson, if only................

Stop it.

SERENITY NOW !
SERENITY NOW !

Stop it.

SERENITY NOW !
SERENITY NOW !

Not a good time to mention Lucas and Talia then? 
;D ;D ;D

I think Bolts sees Boeky as our Isaac Smith. He needs to toughen up a bit and be a bit more composed.

Boekhorst should be renamed Blaine Bower......deer in the headlights, and qualified panic merchant ..first kick he panicked and it went about 2m off his left boot
and I couldnt help but laugh when he got into a panicky spin after trying to blind turn around players and handballed/threw the ball a mile in the air to no one.
Dont get me wrong, seems like a nice bloke who is popular within the group but he just doesnt have the composure at senior level.....Hartung played a similar game for the Hawks...plenty of ball, some highlight runs but a couple of the worst turnovers at critical moments.
Boekhorst needs to show me a game where he can play 100 minutes without comical turnovers being part of his game...

Boekhorst should be renamed Blaine Bower......deer in the headlights, and qualified panic merchant ..first kick he panicked and it went about 2m off his left boot
and I couldnt help but laugh when he got into a panicky spin after trying to blind turn around players and handballed/threw the ball a mile in the air to no one.
Dont get me wrong, seems like a nice bloke who is popular within the group but he just doesnt have the composure at senior level.....Hartung played a similar game for the Hawks...plenty of ball, some highlight runs but a couple of the worst turnovers at critical moments.
Boekhorst needs to show me a game where he can play 100 minutes without comical turnovers being part of his game...

Yep, lack of composure is certainly Boeky's problem. When he's clear he often looks pretty good. He will be retained IMO but he needs to work on that over the break and pre-season.

I had this game pencilled in for a win; one of the few I predicted correctly  :-[

While we have had quite a few "honourable" losses, I think that our win last night is a good measure of our progress and confirms for me that we are on the right track.

There was a lot to like, particularly our ability to control the tempo and the ongoing development and form of Pickett, Lamb, Byrne, Weitering, Jones and more.  Murphy led from the front and it was plain to see that he, Gibbs and Kreuzer enjoyed their first win over the Hawks.

It was interesting to hear members of the 1987 side talking about Bolton getting them involved and current players talking about how good it is to have the past players around.

Credit to Murphy....Gibbs was being dogged by Howe to prevent Gibbs tagging Mitchell but Murphy put on several blocks to the bigger Howe at stoppages to help his mate out...very good game from the captain.

Kudos to Daisy Thomas...earned his money last night and brought back the barrel torp, thought he played a smart game and used his experience well vs some inexperienced Hawk kids. Earned another season IMO and has played a very good second half of the season...

Jed Lamb has probably saved his career by becoming the agent provocateur down forward and should get another contract too...

Boekhorst should be renamed Blaine Bower......deer in the headlights, and qualified panic merchant ..first kick he panicked and it went about 2m off his left boot
and I couldnt help but laugh when he got into a panicky spin after trying to blind turn around players and handballed/threw the ball a mile in the air to no one.
Dont get me wrong, seems like a nice bloke who is popular within the group but he just doesnt have the composure at senior level.....Hartung played a similar game for the Hawks...plenty of ball, some highlight runs but a couple of the worst turnovers at critical moments.
Boekhorst needs to show me a game where he can play 100 minutes without comical turnovers being part of his game...

Hopefully over time composure comes with confidence, which can often do.

Not a good time to mention Lucas and Talia then? 
;D ;D ;D

Well, it's never a good time, as I'm sure you'd agree.

Just watched Carko's press conference didn't take much for his 'gutter rat' trates to rresurface, quotes like:
'That's how Carlton play, when they win it's 12 goals to 10', he also said our tactics on Sicily would be a good learning for his team and was happy it for it to happen in a dead rubber, well last time I checked Clarko you were still talking finals before we pulled your pants down tonight...sucked in you sniper.

Perhaps apart from the dead rubber comment, I think his presser was pretty spot on and IMO, he told it like it is.

Boekhorst is Bower and Lucas combined! Anyone who thought he meant to do that pirouette last week is kidding themselves and probably wanted us to draft Lucas back in the day also. He fell into it by freaking out and trying to trip himself over going around 360 every which way. Bolts is just having a good look at him but unfortunately average athlete and worse footballer.

Charlie and Pickett! Have to somehow keep a lid on Charlie he is slowly becoming the new young  Buddy and the media are drooling over him every match. Some of SPS's kicks in traffic again were amazing.

Most impressive part was when we lost control and the Hawks came back but we steadied and regained control of the game. Super chuffed with the game some of the shining lights late in the season.

Kudos to Daisy Thomas...earned his money last night and brought back the barrel torp, thought he played a smart game and used his experience well vs some inexperienced Hawk kids. Earned another season IMO and has played a very good second half of the season...

Jed Lamb has probably saved his career by becoming the agent provocateur down forward and should get another contract too...

Thomas seems to be full of confidence and more than happy to dip into his bag of tricks.  On several occasions last night he left his opponents flat-footed while he got clear and used the ball well.  I'm not sure that we'll see huge possession games from Daisy but he is doing more than enough to keep his spot.

I enjoyed Lamb's game; he shut down one of the Hawks' drivers and hit the scoreboard while showing just a little mongrel.

It's interesting that, while Sicily likes to dish out a bit of treatment, he didn't deal at all well with being on the receiving end.  

Liam Jones 1% watch

16 last night...next best on the ground was Byrne with 7

Jones is averaging 10.6 a game and sits second on the league averages (behind Dougal Howard, from Port, who has only played the two games this season for an average of 11 (13 and 9))

Liam Jones 1% watch

16 last night...next best on the ground was Byrne with 7

Jones is averaging 10.6 a game and sits second on the league averages (behind Dougal Howard, from Port, who has only played the two games this season for an average of 11 (13 and 9))

Which in terms of a decent, meaningful sample space, really means Jones is 1st. Very good effort from Giant Slayer Jones.

Thanks for that lods.

Perhaps apart from the dead rubber comment, I think his presser was pretty spot on and IMO, he told it like it is.

Not quite... he left out "I got outcoached by my old assistant".

Not quite... he left out "I got outcoached by my old assistant".

Was he though ? I'm not learned enough to answer, but my guess is that a coach with a record like Clarkson can see us coming a mile off. I don't think he had an off night. I just think the team is too young / inexperienced to carry out his instruction for 4 q. They had quite a few young blokes as well.

Not quite... he left out "I got outcoached by my old assistant".

Whatever slant you put on it, the emissary defeated  his master.  O:-)

Was he though ? I'm not learned enough to answer, but my guess is that a coach with a record like Clarkson can see us coming a mile off. I don't think he had an off night. I just think the team is too young / inexperienced to carry out his instruction for 4 q. They had quite a few young blokes as well.

Clarkson was/is annoyed by our playing  seven down back and only five forwards and tried three of his blokes off the back of the square to try and make the game different  but it never worked as they never really had control in the middle.
As he said the game got played on our terms and he didnt have the equipment to change that....Hawks are probably a class mid or two short........word from a few Hawk supporters last night was that dont count them out for Kelly/Hopper/Lever etc and something big is happening recruiting wise at the Hawks and they be offloading a few players to get their man/men...

It's interesting that, while Sicily likes to dish out a bit of treatment, he didn't deal at all well with being on the receiving end.

I thought Sicily was one of our best players and got us a few goals. :)  The look on his face after he was moved forward tells that he's going to get a lot of that niggling treatment from now on.

Clarkson was/is annoyed by our playing  seven down back and only five forwards and tried three of his blokes off the back of the square to try and make the game different  but it never worked as they never really had control in the middle.
As he said the game got played on our terms and he didnt have the equipment to change that....Hawks are probably a class mid or two short........word from a few Hawk supporters last night was that dont count them out for Kelly/Hopper/Lever etc and something big is happening recruiting wise at the Hawks and they be offloading a few players to get their man/men...

Yes, I'm sure Clarkson knew well in advance our structures and set ups etc. I think he also knew what moves he had to pull to counter it. As we've said plenty of times about our list, at the moment, he just doesn't have the cattle.

I thought Sicily was one of our best players and got us a few goals. :)  The look on his face after he was moved forward tells that he's going to get a lot of that niggling treatment from now on.

Lamb made the effort to shake Sicilys hand at the end of the game and Sicily offered his hand while on the move but wouldnt look Lamb in the face.....
I reckon Callum Mills might be having a few nervous sleeps this week as he copped it from our blokes last time and seems a ideal candidate for Lambs attention this week.

Lamb made the effort to shake Sicilys hand at the end of the game and Sicily offered his hand while on the move but wouldnt look Lamb in the face.....
I reckon Callum Mills might be having a few nervous sleeps this week as he copped it from our blokes last time and seems a ideal candidate for Lambs attention this week.

I reckon the Swans are a completely different outfit to what they were earlier. They'll be ready for payback, and won't make the same mistake twice.

My bias is undeniable, no doubt. I thought our performance was one that had the club's 360° progress on display. It showed progress from getting the right players/staff in the door, to execution of the fine details in the greater and lesser plans. By that I mean "our rebuild v hawks game plan q by q".

Kudos to administration, coaches, recruiters, support staff, players and their respective supports (shout out to past players). We're showing the footy world our commitment to this rebuild. We're doing it planfully, lawfully, and gradually. Hopefully this results in a sustainable resurgence back to the great institution we once were. An increase in membership, sponsorship, and attractiveness as a destination club will follow naturally ^-^

Too much ::) who cares.... I've got that winning feeling ^-^
Go new Blues

@EB Hawks are probably a class mid or two short........

Maybe so. We're lacking as much as any team in that department, and we're without Ed and Crippa... Yes Murphy and Gibbs are quality players, as are Mitchell, Hodge, possibly O'Meara. We were harder and more determined to execute our way from the first siren. That's why we won. End of navy rant ;D

PS. My sympathy goes to all those heartbroken Hawks fans. I can empathise.

Al-le-bloody-lieu-yah.

Just had that awful feeling in the first half when they seemed to be getting the rub of the green with the umps ... again. Including that ridiculous 50m penalty.

Hasn't been mentioned in this game's review but how good is Kruezer when the ball hits the turf?! For a big man he seldom gives away the frees that others can't seem to a avoid. Great discipline right there.

For those lamenting Simmo's alleged demise in form, how putrid has Hodge been this year? Definitely one season too many. Loved that we boo'ed him every time he got the ball - which wasn't much.

Pickett, excitement machine that he is, needs to settle down a bit and do away with the goose-stepping caper.

Murph - ok in the first half, magnificent in the second.

I'm wondering if our lacklustre efforts in the last few weeks can be attributed in part to the possibility that we were looking ahead to this match in particular. Maybe. Maybe not.

Daisy reminded me that he is a REAL footballer. Still torn as to whether I want him around next year though.

Credit to Murphy....Gibbs was being dogged by Howe to prevent Gibbs tagging Mitchell but Murphy put on several blocks to the bigger Howe at stoppages to help his mate out...very good game from the captain.

Murphy does not always get a lot of kudos for his negative work. I can understand why: it hasn't always been a strength. However, his willingness to put his body on the line yesterday was excellent.
Similar for Gibbs: for all the negative roles he has had, many people see him as a floater. This even though he usually is in our top 2 tacklers number wise. Well, the last couple of seasons should see that tag disappear. His hardness and tackling were excellent against Hawthorn. And that Gibbs got early frees, because Hawthorn didn't like it, was well overdue. They tried to platter Gibbs, but he refused to be splattered. Then they tried to tag him out of existence and that didn't work out either.

Very pleased with these guys.

thanks to the boys for making us supporters proud last nightand for standing up to all media pressure .The only disappointment i have is our GAMEPLAN coaching staff have somehow get the LONGBOMB out of our system (playing).1 e,g last quarter we kept kicking the ball long onto the wings and hawks just kept winning the ball and pumping back.  Anyway we won

This will sound odd but I'm wondering if Pickett may be the small defender we've been looking for.

I'm not sure he has the composure to play in the forward half, seems to panic a bit with ball in hand but he has a hard edge to his game which could work nicely for us.

Was going to attend this game but laziness got the better of me. Damn! After going to so many bloody losses in the past  Serves me right.
Anyway great result and so unexpected. Plenty to like which has pretty well covered but for me  Boekhorst's game was my highlight. Maybe panics at times when in possession but he is quick and he kicks the ball really really well and he kicks it a long way. Think he's saved his career at Carlton.

Was going to attend this game but laziness got the better of me. Damn! After going to so many bloody losses in the past  Serves me right.
Anyway great result and so unexpected. Plenty to like which has pretty well covered but for me  Boekhorst's game was my highlight. Maybe panics at times when in possession but he is quick and he kicks the ball really really well and he kicks it a long way. Think he's saved his career at Carlton.

I think you're right about Boeky.  He has made a couple of strange decisions/errors but I think his composure will improve as he gets more experience.

I was ready to write him off but some solid performances should see him get another contract.

Liam Jones 1% watch

16 last night...next best on the ground was Byrne with 7

Jones is averaging 10.6 a game and sits second on the league averages (behind Dougal Howard, from Port, who has only played the two games this season for an average of 11 (13 and 9))

FYI, Sam Rowe in 2016 managed 215 1%'s with an average of 9.77 a game. That total was the 2nd most for a season since the stat was recorded (at least 11 years)

While we are on unique stats....
Yarran in 2011 had 122 bounces in a season. 4th most all time.
Simpson had 113 in the same season, 7th most all time.

Cripps had the 5th highest amount of clearances in a season last year (185 @ 8.81)
2nd, 3rd and 4th are all Sydneys Josh Kennedy - who got a higher amount but played 4 more games in each season (highest average was 7.64)
1st is none other than our very own Brett Ratten who dominated in 1999 averaging a mammoth 10.19 a game.

Despite being missing for  a lot of the year Rowe still features in the top 20 for 1% averages in 2017 with 7.3 a game.
It would be interesting  to see them (Jones and Rowe) working together...
It will be interesting to see if they "can" work together (if they get the opportunity)
That may take a bit of working out in terms of responsibilities
Throw in Silvagni and it could be very good...or very complicated.
Then add a Marchbank, Plowman, Macreadie, Williamson and Byrne
.....and ice it with a coating of Weitering.
(oh.... and Docherty and Simpson(should he go on)

I think we have a problem ???

Since Jones's resurgence, I've seen shades of Sam Rowe traits. Not sure if that due to position or coaching, or something else. Jones, however, seems more athletic and faster. I'd say he's generally been able to keep his man in closer check.

It will be very interesting to see what happens if and when they are both available. Like some have said, we could do worse than having Rowe up forward. Who knows, they might team up to give the flexibility Bolts talks about. Both players bring excellent competitiveness and perseverance to the team.

Was going to attend this game but laziness got the better of me. Damn! After going to so many bloody losses in the past  Serves me right.
Anyway great result and so unexpected. Plenty to like which has pretty well covered but for me  Boekhorst's game was my highlight. Maybe panics at times when in possession but he is quick and he kicks the ball really really well and he kicks it a long way. Think he's saved his career at Carlton.

I saw Boekhorsts game different, most of our turnovers usually had him involved somewhere in the chain of events leading up to it and by that I mean he went backwards with the footy or
chose a poor kick to option that put the next player/s under pressure...or went the stupid handball to a player under pressure caused by him doing a Paul Bower and running from free space into trouble.
Also he just doesnt pick up a man at all....watched him on the wings and he never went near his opponents, I just dont see what others see in him in terms of wanting to offer him another contract...

Boekhorst may not fit our needs ATM. If not, is a trade a possibility?

Boekhorst may not fit our needs ATM. If not, is a trade a possibility?

While we're a team on the rise we'll still finish 15th at best and a couple of games behind 14th, yet Boekhorst hasn't been able to nail down a spot in our senior team.
I can't see much trade interest in him TBH.

Boekhorst's game was my highlight. Maybe panics at times when in possession but he is quick and he kicks the ball really really well and he kicks it a long way. Think he's saved his career at Carlton.

I had written him off mid-way through the season but now I'm not so sure.  Thought he was older than 23 as well. Good test coming up this week - often you'll find players will carry over late season form into the next season.  Pity it's against the Swans who might inflict some demoralisement (and before you look it up, it's a perfectly cromulent word).

BTW did many folk tip us to win?
I know the "experts" didn't, but they had us with the spoon.
I tipped we'd win and I'm still grinning ;D

I really liked BBs expression that the win provided 'emotional nourishment'...for all concerned. Perfect description.

How encouraging also was it to see the further development of our younguns. A nice insight into what's to come.

Bravo boys, bravo coaches, bravo CFC.

And to single out just one thing... I'm really starting to warm to Lamb. Nice dash of smart mongrel, keeps his opponent in check... and likes to snag one or two. Yep, warming to Lamb.

I really liked BBs expression that the win provided 'emotional nourishment'...for all concerned. Perfect description.

How encouraging also was it to see the further development of our younguns. A nice insight into what's to come.

Bravo boys, bravo coaches, bravo CFC.

And to single out just one thing... I'm really starting to warm to Lamb. Nice dash of smart mongrel, keeps his opponent in check... and likes to snag one or two. Yep, warming to Lamb.

I thought he was done Baggers. Wasnt impacting games and seemed slow. Has strung together some good games playing specific roles.

lamb could well have kicked four....

lamb could well have kicked four....

Yes, Lamb could well just turn into another "find" for the year. He is a lovely straight kick at goal for a start.

To me it looks like Lamb has "bought in" this year. He previously looked like he was on the fringe. I expect the clear objectives and regular coaching feedback helps players know exactly what and how to improve. Jed may well be benefiting from the clear development process, clearly communicated by Bolts and co.

Bolts appears to have set a standard that embraces learning, which by default, challenges without blame and shame. A naturally nourishing environment that supports and optimizes growth. This is far from the egocentric selective environments clubs are reported to harbour over recent times. How refreshing.

Boekhorst is Bower and Lucas combined! Anyone who thought he meant to do that pirouette last week is kidding themselves and probably wanted us to draft Lucas back in the day also. He fell into it by freaking out and trying to trip himself over going around 360 every which way. Bolts is just having a good look at him but unfortunately average athlete and worse footballer.

Charlie and Pickett! Have to somehow keep a lid on Charlie he is slowly becoming the new young  Buddy and the media are drooling over him every match. Some of SPS's kicks in traffic again were amazing.

Most impressive part was when we lost control and the Hawks came back but we steadied and regained control of the game. Super chuffed with the game some of the shining lights late in the season.

Pirouette ?

https://youtu.be/qNcaWi_Py0w

Must be one of those recurring accidents. 

To me it looks like Lamb has "bought in" this year.

I didn't see this game, but I've seen similar in recent weeks. Lamb looks like he wants to be an AFL player, and he is now well aware that you cannot be nice and survive long in the game. He's brought a real edge to his play!

I didn't see this game, but I've seen similar in recent weeks. Lamb looks like he wants to be an AFL player, and he is now well aware that you cannot be nice and survive long in the game. He's brought a real edge to his play!

Would you classify Joe Daniher as nice ?

I thought Lamb was cooked but it looks like he was just underdone, excuse the pun.

Gee, you reckon the '87 Premiership blokes wouldn't have been happy watching the game ? ?.....especially one Ian Aitkin !!

The post game coverage from the rooms was great, seemed like there was an amazing atmosphere in there with all the old guys mixing with the current players.  Sounded like the reunion spread over 2 or 3 days !  Good on 'em.  Tommy Alvin, still got the hair !

Even Darcy & Richo seemed to enjoy being in there......wonder if Darcy & Taylor will apologise to Carlton supporters on Talking Footy tonight.

cheers

Mal.

I thought he was done Baggers. Wasnt impacting games and seemed slow. Has strung together some good games playing specific roles.

Certainly a keeper for the time being.....plenty of others to cull before him.....it's a numbers game and he's certainly pulled himself away from the chop zone, imo, in recent weeks.

Gee, you reckon the '87 Premiership blokes wouldn't have been happy watching the game ? ?.....especially one Ian Aitkin !!



Mal.

That was the year Aitkin won the rising star. Things were really looking up for a while.

Would you classify Joe Daniher as nice ?

Daniher hurts opponents, in the past Lamb looked like his tackling was more like a hug!

Have you noticed the difference in Murphy this season?

We have a bunch of players who look feed up with being the road kill, they are pushing back!

Daniher hurts opponents, in the past Lamb looked like his tackling was more like a hug!

Have you noticed the difference in Murphy this season?

We have a bunch of players who look feed up with being the road kill, they are pushing back!

The best thing about Murphy's recent form is that he's doing it without cover from Cripps and Curnow, he's an outstanding player and Captain who often doesn't get enough credit from supporters.

It's funny how we praise everyone when we win and get stuck into everyone when we lose :o
Hooman Nature ::)

I thought Lamb was cooked but it looks like he was just underdone, excuse the pun.

 :)) :))

The best thing about Murphy's recent form is that he's doing it without cover from Cripps and Curnow, he's an outstanding player and Captain who often doesn't get enough credit from supporters.

I think that Murphy is enjoying having team mates who, although they may be in their first or second season, don't mind getting physical with the opposition, and particularly when someone tries to rough up the skipper.  Samo is one bloke who seems to like watching Murphy's back.

The best thing about Murphy's recent form is that he's doing it without cover from Cripps and Curnow, he's an outstanding player and Captain who often doesn't get enough credit from supporters.

I have been critical of his leadership at times this year [eg Lions game] but to be fair on the weekend he was excellent. I think I read the other day has polled in the coaches votes in about 14-15 games this year which is a very consistent effort.

The big difference on the weekend was we had a very good spread of contributors. SOJ and Cas were very quiet, and Smedts played half a game but had a game high 8 tackles by that time - other than that we had even contributions across the ground and probably career or season best games from Pickett, Fisher, Lamb, Boek & Bryne. Weitering, Samo, Charlie and Plow were all very good as well, and Willo played his role and used it well. So a lot ticks for the young brigade.

It makes the job of the senior guys a lot easier when we spread the load more. Kerridge has also stepped up, and the Hawk midfield these days is not as hard as it used to be, which also suits our game. 

Not our problem, but Hawthorn will miss Hodge far more than they missed Lewis or Mitchell.  They will suddenly become very vulnerable down back with no General / Protector.  Memo to James S: You'll be on your own, son! Good luck!!

Not our problem, but Hawthorn will miss Hodge far more than they missed Lewis or Mitchell.  They will suddenly become very vulnerable down back with no General / Protector.  Memo to James S: You'll be on your own, son! Good luck!!

Gibson as well, the Hawks are in for a few lean years but if I was a supporter I'd take it.

The best part of winning on Saturday was listening to the Hawthorn supporters complaining about Carlton's unsociable football. Their supporter base will drop off very quickly.

Hawks since the bye - some very decent scalps...and we kept them to their 2nd lowest score in that patch! Kudos lads!!!

Round 14 Thursday, June 22
ADEL v HAW
Adelaide Crows12.10 (82)
Hawthorn14.12 (96)   

Round 15 Sunday, July 02
HAW v COLL
Hawthorn18.10 (118)
Collingwood14.10 (94)   

Round 16 Saturday, July 08
HAW v GWS
Hawthorn14.13 (97)
GWS Giants15.7 (97)   

Round 17 Saturday, July 15
GEEL v HAW
Geelong Cats13.10 (88)
Hawthorn12.13 (85)   

Round 18 Saturday, July 22
FRE v HAW
Fremantle7.6 (48)
Hawthorn15.10 (100)   

Round 19 Friday, July 28
HAW v SYD
Hawthorn10.12 (72)
Sydney Swans9.12 (66)   

Round 20 Sunday, August 06
RICH v HAW
Richmond13.15 (93)
Hawthorn9.10 (64)   

Round 21 Sunday, August 13
HAW v NMFC
Hawthorn18.8 (116)
North Melbourne14.5 (89)   

Round 22 Saturday, August 19
CARL v HAW
Carlton12.5 (77)
Hawthorn10.10 (70)   

Yes agree fly. A fair effort however you look at it.

The best part of winning on Saturday was listening to the Hawthorn supporters complaining about Carlton's unsociable football. Their supporter base will drop off very quickly.

 :))

Pot, kettle!!

The best part of winning on Saturday was listening to the Hawthorn supporters complaining about Carlton's unsociable football. Their supporter base will drop off very quickly.

Just on that, and in particular the unsociable football role Lamb played, I nearly fell off the couch yesterday afternoon while watching the Sunday Footy Show when Kane Cornes of all people started to pot Lamb for his tactics. Geeezus talk about pot, kettle, black zone. He was the biggest in that department than any other PA player on record. What a hypocrite/flog.

Just on that, and in particular the unsociable football role Lamb played, I nearly fell off the couch yesterday afternoon while watching the Sunday Footy Show when Kane Cornes of all people started to pot Lamb for his tactics. Geeezus talk about pot, kettle, black zone. He was the biggest in that department than any other PA player on record. What a hypocrite/flog.

Likewise.

Cornes repeatedly saying when trying to justify is puny point...'it's just not a good look...' words fail me, hang on, no they don't - Kane 'C0ckhead' Cornes!

Likewise.

Cornes repeatedly saying when trying to justify is puny point...'it's just not a good look...' words fail me, hang on, no they don't - Kane 'C0ckhead' Cornes!

Since when has Citizen Kane become so concerned about the aesthetics of the game?? What a buffoon......  ::) ::)

Since when has Citizen Kane become so concerned about the aesthetics of the game?? What a buffoon......  ::) ::)

 :)) Yep.

Hang on... hear that? It's Orson Welles bellowing from the heavens... 'bound to be a c0ckhead somewhere who degraded the name, Kane.'

:))

Pot, kettle!!

Clarkson in his press conf was starting to whinge about Sicily not getting free kicks! Even he acknowledged that was a bit rich coming from the dawks. Amazing that he would even come close to complaining about rough treatment to a team with Luke Hodge in it.

Anyway... their problems are many.... Hodge & Gibson definitely gone.

Next year:

Burgoyne 36
Roughead 31
Frawley 30
Birchall 30
Smith 30
Stratton 29
Puopolo 30
Henderson 29
Cyril 29

Dad's army. I'd don't think there's much point in going on with Burgoyne. What's the point in keeping a 36 y.o. when you're miles off it?

They are so far off their bottom out yet they've already dropped off a cliff. Made worse by trading out all their draft picks for 2 years for a bloke with 1 balsa wood knee and Mitchell... good player but not the most damaging. At a time when they needed to be realistic about their list and aggressively trade out for draft picks just like they did when they built their good team.

Let's hope they trade out more picks this offseason. Will set their next premiership window back another 2 or 3 years.

:)) Yep.

Hang on... hear that? It's Orson Welles bellowing from the heavens... 'bound to be a c0ckhead somewhere who degraded the name, Kane.'

Yep, Kane is not Able so to speak!

Clarkson in his press conf was starting to whinge about Sicily not getting free kicks! Even he acknowledged that was a bit rich coming from the dawks. Amazing that he would even come close to complaining about rough treatment to a team with Luke Hodge in it.

.................................................

I think his comments are fair enough. The AFL made noises earlier in the season about penalizing the aggressor rather than the recipient, but as it always is with the AFL, they went off the boil on that pretty quickly.

Sicily was certainly entitled to a few frees. I thought Clarkson was honest and open in his presser.

I find it hard to respect Hawthorn, even though my father barracked for them.
[1] Clarkson: He is an excellent coach: his record speaks for itself. But that does not make him a good human. He is almost everything I would prefer a human NOT to be. He doesn't like acknowledging that any other team is better than his on any given day. He has an angry streak larger than his height.
I have seen him since his first game (the Battle of Britain). His assault on Aitken should have been forwarded to the police.
[2] Hypocrisy: Clarkson, Hodge and many others are total hypocrites. I was at the game many years ago when both Buddy and Fev were going for their 100th goal of the season. Buddy got his early: we couldn't stop Hawthorn at the time. However, as the game went on, Fev got closer and closer, up to 99 at 3/4 time. Hawthorn then did everything they could to stop Fev getting that final goal, including playing 5 men on him. Naturally Fev fell short, although a number of very cheap goals managed to be scored by us during the quarter.
Clarkson, Hodge and others then came out of separate occasions to state that it was pity that Fev didn't get his 100, that they did not try extra hard to stop him getting the goal and that they would be happy to see it happen.
What bald faced lies they uttered.
It doesn't bother me that they were so competitive that they felt they had to defend every goal. I can understand that. But to come out publically and to try to rewrite history with them in the role of good guy was ridiculous. I cannot believe any of them could honestly have believed that trash having seem them play.
[3] Arrogance: we have been accused of this and we may have been guilty once upon a time.

:)) Yep.

Hang on... hear that? It's Orson Welles bellowing from the heavens... 'bound to be a c0ckhead somewhere who degraded the name, Kane.'

Hah, you and Cookie, well spotted. I couldn't imagine that being picked up on Bomberblitz. Apocalypse Now for them. The Terror, The Terror.  :)

Hah, you and Cookie, well spotted. I couldn't imagine that being picked up on Bomberblitz. Apocalypse Now for them. The Terror, The Terror.  :)

I think you mean 'The Horror, the Horror'.............

Hypocrisy: Clarkson, Hodge and many others are total hypocrites. I was at the game many years ago when both Buddy and Fev were going for their 100th goal of the season. Buddy got his early: we couldn't stop Hawthorn at the time. However, as the game went on, Fev got closer and closer, up to 99 at 3/4 time. Hawthorn then did everything they could to stop Fev getting that final goal, including playing 5 men on him. Naturally Fev fell short, although a number of very cheap goals managed to be scored by us during the quarter.

Clarkson, Hodge and others then came out of separate occasions to state that it was pity that Fev didn't get his 100, that they did not try extra hard to stop him getting the goal and that they would be happy to see it happen.
What bald faced lies they uttered.

It doesn't bother me that they were so competitive that they felt they had to defend every goal. I can understand that. But to come out publically and to try to rewrite history with them in the role of good guy was ridiculous. I cannot believe any of them could honestly have believed that trash having seem them play.

I was there as well, and remember the Dawks had the game in the bag because we were Fevola focused to try and get him to 100.

Gibbs, Judd and Murphy smashed them in the midfield hit up Fev repeat effort after effort. Clarkson put Croad, Roughead, Franklin, Hodge, Brown and Dew inside D50 late in the game when they were already 10 goals up. The Dawks were clear 2nd on the ladder with no hope of getting 1st or dropping to 3rd.

When I watched the replay the coverage showed Clarkson sitting in the box laughing at Fev's efforts as Franklin and Roughead kept dropping in front of him. In my opinion it was one of the most unsportsmanlike like efforts I have ever witnessed, probably only bettered by his hit on Aitken!

But what do people expect from someone who vandalizes property, abuses junior umpires and threatens people!

The irony of "The Dawks" labeling themselves as "The Family Club" is not lost on me!

I think that Murphy is enjoying having team mates who, although they may be in their first or second season, don't mind getting physical with the opposition, and particularly when someone tries to rough up the skipper.  Samo is one bloke who seems to like watching Murphy's back.

I think the 3rd man up rule means Murphy is no longer surrounded by giants at stoppages, it's had a big impact on his durability!

Murphy isn't half the player Tom Mitchell is.

I think the 3rd man up rule means Murphy is no longer surrounded by giants at stoppages, it's had a big impact on his durability!

Completely irrelevant LP - which teams used a giant to go third man up, apart from our two rucks at forward 50 boundary throw ins?

The third man up, unless they had the recovery and second and third efforts of Kreuzer, was effectively out of the clearance contest.  Now that they can't go for the hitout, they can sit on the clearance contest and pick off Murphy and the like.

Murphy isn't half the player Tom Mitchell is.

It's funny you should say that (actually it's more predictable than funny) but I was thinking during the game that Mitchell has little impact for all the possessions he racks up.  I can understand the comments about him from earlier in the season.  I can't remember which coach it was but they said that they didn't bother tagging Mitchell because he doesn't do much with the ball.

I think you mean 'The Horror, the Horror'.............

Correct, although I think for cheat supporters the words are interchangable.

It's funny you should say that (actually it's more predictable than funny) but I was thinking during the game that Mitchell has little impact for all the possessions he racks up.  I can understand the comments about him from earlier in the season.  I can't remember which coach it was but they said that they didn't bother tagging Mitchell because he doesn't do much with the ball.

Nathan Buckley, it worked well for him in the rematch. ;)

On the weekend Mitchell scored 164 supercoach to Murphy's 93 because he wins the hard ball and his disposals have more impact.

I was there as well, and remember the Dawks had the game in the bag because we were Fevola focused to try and get him to 100.

Gibbs, Judd and Murphy smashed them in the midfield hit up Fev repeat effort after effort. Clarkson put Croad, Roughead, Franklin, Hodge, Brown and Dew inside D50 late in the game when they were already 10 goals up. The Dawks were clear 2nd on the ladder with no hope of getting 1st or dropping to 3rd.

When I watched the replay the coverage showed Clarkson sitting in the box laughing at Fev's efforts as Franklin and Roughead kept dropping in front of him. In my opinion it was one of the most unsportsmanlike like efforts I have ever witnessed, probably only bettered by his hit on Aitken!

But what do people expect from someone who vandalizes property, abuses junior umpires and threatens people!

The irony of "The Dawks" labeling themselves as "The Family Club" is not lost on me!

Yes. I was there that day and that was the day I started hating another team. I'll never forget it. They wanted buddy to have the day to himself. Poor sportsmanship epitomised.

Yes. I was there that day and that was the day I started hating another team. I'll never forget it. They wanted buddy to have the day to himself. Poor sportsmanship epitomised.

If i remember correctly they stopped Fev because they didn't want the crowd to come back onto the ground.  Aholes the lot of them!

Yes. I was there that day and that was the day I started hating another team. I'll never forget it. They wanted buddy to have the day to himself. Poor sportsmanship epitomised.

I was there also. Behind the goals Fev was kicking at in the last.

I even remember Fev chatting away to the bloke kicking in from a behind.

Years later i heard Fev talk about the incident. I think he said it was Guerra, who he knew well. Fev said he was offering him $10k to get it straight to him from the kick in to help him get his 100. Guerra just laughed it off saying he couldn't do that.

Nathan Buckley, it worked well for him in the rematch. ;)

On the weekend Mitchell scored 164 supercoach to Murphy's 93 because he wins the hard ball and his disposals have more impact.

I don't use supercoach points to work out how well a bloke is playing.  My eyes tell me that Mitchell's disposal by foot is poor, particularly when trying to hit a target inside 50 (or kick for goal).  They also tell me that Mitchell gets a lot of possessions from running behind the play, receiving handballs and increasing his stats by give and goes.

I don't know a lot about supercoach but do you actually get more points for winning hard balls and having more impact with your disposals.  I thought it was more about rewarding blokes who maximise their disposals, like those who always play on when kicking in after a behind.

Actually it's an interesting exercise. If they were both the same age, who would you go for (Murphy or Mitchell)? I'm way too biased to be objective... though I do think that Murphy hurts the opposition more with his possessions... especially forward of centre.

Murphy isn't half the player Tom Mitchell is.

LOL!!!!!!!

Laugh all you like but clearly the coaches of all 18 clubs agree with me.

Coach's award:

Round 21 Leaderboard

104 Dustin Martin (Rich)
99 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
69 Tom Mitchell (Haw)
69 Rory Sloane (Adel)
67 Zach Merrett (Ess)
66 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
66 Dayne Zorko (BL)
65 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
65 Josh Kelly (GWS)
61 Gary Ablett (GC)
61 Joel Selwood (Geel)

Laugh all you like but clearly the coaches of all 18 clubs agree with me.

Coach's award:

Round 21 Leaderboard

104 Dustin Martin (Rich)
99 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
69 Tom Mitchell (Haw)
69 Rory Sloane (Adel)
67 Zach Merrett (Ess)
66 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
66 Dayne Zorko (BL)
65 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
65 Josh Kelly (GWS)
61 Gary Ablett (GC)
61 Joel Selwood (Geel)

How many of these has Mitchell won?
Winners

2016 - Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong)
2015 - Daniel Hannebery (Sydney)
2014 - Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide)
2013 - Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood)
2012 - Trent Cotchin (Richmond)
2011 - Marc Murphy (Carlton)
2010 - Dane Swan (Collingwood)
2009 - Gary Ablett (Geelong)
2008 - Gary Ablett (Geelong)
2007 - Gary Ablett (Geelong)
2006 - Simon Goodwin (Adelaide) & Adam Goodes (Sydney)
2005 - Barry Hall (Sydney)
2004 - Warren Tredrea (Port Adelaide)
2003 - Nathan Buckley (Collingwood)

FWIW, Murphy has 55 votes for the season.
Murphy has votes in 14/21 games this season.
Mitchell has votes in 12/21 games.

Murphy had more total votes than Mitchell from R3-R14.

Some stats NOT from the coaches votes.

Murphy has more kicks, marks, goals, inside 50's and goal assists....and less clangers than Mitchell. And he has 4 less wins than Mitchell making it harder to get votes. (Not many players from losing teams get top votes), Murphy is averaging 30 touches a game.

Conversely, Mitchell has more handballs, disposals, rebound 50's, clearances and tackles. Mitchell is averaging 36 a game.

To me, that suggests Murphy is getting more of the ball forward of centre and Mitchell is getting more of the ball in the back half, including a lot more 1-2 handballs. Murphy also has a slightly better Disposal Efficiency despite Mitchell preferring to handball first, kick second.

Half the player?

Murphy was a gun 6 years ago alongside a prime Judd.

In 2017 Mitchell is by far the better player.

Murphy was a gun 6 years ago alongside a prime Judd.

In 2017 Mitchell is by far the better player.

But the coaches had voted him in the best more times than Mitchell has?

Murphy was a gun 6 years ago alongside a prime Judd.

In 2017 Mitchell is by far the better player.

I assume we're talking about Sam Mitchell......because he actually hurt sides with his posessions, unlike Tom.

Murphy isn't half the player Tom Mitchell is.

Mitchell put zero effort into stopping Murphy. You let Murphy loose like that we're 10 times more likely to win. And win we did. As Collingwood did when Mitchell had 50 pos. As Geelong did when he had 43. GC won when he had 39. Hawks supporters I know are starting to worry. Mitchell combined with Langford.... there's not a lot of classy ball movement there. Unless it's Burgoyne who is 35 there's little to hurt the opposition through the midfield.

He's not hurting opposition but his opponent is running loose on the outside somewhere.

Dangerfield and Martin have twice the inside 50s he has, triple the goals and double the goal assists. He's good at what he does but ranking him based on the possession column of the stat sheet I think is misleading.

Mitchell put zero effort into stopping Murphy. You let Murphy loose like that we're 10 times more likely to win. And win we did. As Collingwood did when Mitchell had 50 pos. As Geelong did when he had 43. GC won when he had 39. Hawks supporters I know are starting to worry. Mitchell combined with Langford.... there's not a lot of classy ball movement there. Unless it's Burgoyne who is 35 there's little to hurt the opposition through the midfield.

He's not hurting opposition but his opponent is running loose on the outside somewhere.

Dangerfield and Martin have twice the inside 50s he has, triple the goals and double the goal assists. He's good at what he does but ranking him based on the possession column of the stat sheet I think is misleading.

The way I see his game is that his possessions free/set up the outside runners.

Mitchell is a huge chance to win the Brownlow this year, but if he does it will be a bit like Libba and Priddis, not to mention Woefulwodin, where the best player in the comp doesn't win it.

Through sheer leather poisoning, he just might win the award, but the reality is he has little to no impact on a lot of his games. Tom was given a free run against us and when you get 40 touches you have to be the standout player on the ground, you have 30% more football than 90% of players on the ground. Everytime Tom had the ball I wasn't overly concerned. I wasn't happy a Hawthorn player had it, but I wasn't worried.
When we played Brisbane, every time Zorko was near it I was screaming at my screen.

He might win a Brownlow Tom, but I don't think he is in the best 10 players in the comp

Murphy has no impact with his 20 metre sideway kicks. He just plays it safe now, it's why he's a crap captain.

Murphy has no impact with his 20 metre sideway kicks. He just plays it safe now, it's why he's a crap captain.

Murphy is a master at controlling the tempo of the game in accordance with Bolton's requirements.  That's why Bolton comments on his leadership, as well as that of Gibbs, Docherty and Simpson.  They are implementing the gameplan, not thrashing around like a frog in a blender  :)

Murphy - 8194 Metres gained (33rd in AFL, 3rd in Club)
Mitchell - 6624 Metres gained (74th)

Murphy - 8194 Metres gained (33rd in AFL, 3rd in Club)
Mitchell - 6624 Metres gained (74th)

Well most of Mitchell's disposals are handballs, Murphy plays outside and on his pay packet should be one of the best in the comp.

Murphy is a master at controlling the tempo of the game in accordance with Bolton's requirements.  That's why Bolton comments on his leadership, as well as that of Gibbs, Docherty and Simpson.  They are implementing the gameplan, not thrashing around like a frog in a blender  :)

Master of making us play slow crap football hence why we're down the bottom and can't score.

Murphy has no impact with his 20 metre sideway kicks.

Well most of Mitchell's disposals are handballs,

Murphy isn't half the player Tom Mitchell is.

lololololol

Yeah because handballs aren't important, damn this forum has gone downhill.

Laugh all you like

I am!

Yeah because handballs aren't important, damn this forum has gone downhill.

Handballs are only good when Cripps or Diesel get them.

Handballs are only good when Cripps or Diesel get them.

Yep and stats don't matter except when our guys get good numbers.

If all our players are so great why are we down the bottom?

Yep and stats don't matter except when our guys get good numbers.

If all our players are so great why are we down the bottom?

Youth / development year / reset.

I rate Tom Mitchell very highly. I don't buy he has no impact at all. His biggest strength is the angles he runs to get the ball and then out of congestion and stoppage. His running patterns are elite. However when there are other motives at play and to use our captain as a scapegoat i take issue with.

Youth / development year / reset.

Wasn't the reset last year?

I rate Tom Mitchell very highly. I don't buy he has no impact at all. His biggest strength is the angles he runs to get the ball and then out of congestion and stoppage. His running patterns are elite. However when there are other motives at play and to use our captain as a scapegoat i take issue with.

Yes, that pretty much covers it.

Wasn't the reset last year?

Last year, this year, and IMO next year as well.

Interestingly both Mitchell and Murphy lead their sides in score involvements this year

6.86 per game (TM) vs 5.85 per Game (MM)

Probably due that Hawks score a lot more. Mitchell ranks 41st and Murphy 100th

Master of making us play slow crap football hence why we're down the bottom and can't score.

Remind me who won on Saturday night; Murphy's team with its slow, crap football or Mitchell's handball happy team?

Remind me who won on Saturday night; Murphy's team with its slow, crap football or Mitchell's handball happy team?

We always looked in control.  ;)

I rate Tom Mitchell very highly. I don't buy he has no impact at all. His biggest strength is the angles he runs to get the ball and then out of congestion and stoppage. His running patterns are elite. However when there are other motives at play and to use our captain as a scapegoat i take issue with.

I agree Shadesy and I wouldn't mind Mitchell in navy blue.  However, Murphy is at least as important to us as skipper and football accumulator and distributor as Mitchell is to Hawthorn. 

Tom Mitchell best games come when his efficiency is very high, but he is not consistent yet.

Also, he is a very poor defensive runner, if he was at Carlton he would get bagged mercilessly for jogging behind play. At the Dawks even his team-mates are forced to give him a hurry up.

We had a player very similar to the current version of Tom Mitchell, he was called Brock McLean and most Carlton fans hated him! Yet Brock was a far better ball user than Tom Mitchell currently is!

Remind me who won on Saturday night; Murphy's team with its slow, crap football or Mitchell's handball happy team?

We beat Sydney and GWS too but what will that matter in a couple of weeks.

I rate Mitchell...was a good player at the Swans but is even better at the Hawks where he doesnt get the same amount of help....
44 times is a lot of footy...he went at 84% efficiency with the ball which is very decent considering Murphy who played well for us went at 70%..
He isnt the high impact goalkicking, break the lines star like Dangerfield but he is that reliable ball winner that every team needs in the guts.....
Different player to Murphy IMO...so hard to compare....

I rate Mitchell...was a good player at the Swans but is even better at the Hawks where he doesnt get the same amount of help....
44 times is a lot of footy...he went at 84% efficiency with the ball which is very decent considering Murphy who played well for us went at 70%..
He isnt the high impact goalkicking, break the lines star like Dangerfield but he is that reliable ball winner that every team needs in the guts.....
Different player to Murphy IMO...so hard to compare....

Most of Mitchell's disposals were handpasses and that would inflate his disposal efficiency as would the fact that kicks >40m to a 50/50 contest are counted as 'effective'.  Some of his kicking gave his team mates no chance, particularly the forwards, and his shot at goal was a shocker.

Not a bad player though!

 

 

Most of Mitchell's disposals were handpasses and that would inflate his disposal efficiency as would the fact that kicks >40m to a 50/50 contest are counted as 'effective'.  Some of his kicking gave his team mates no chance, particularly the forwards, and his shot at goal was a shocker.

Not a bad player though!

Yep, there are other bear traps hiding in the stats as well, always pays to read the fine print!

Like I50s that go uncontested and direct to an unmanned opponent.

I find it hard to respect Hawthorn, even though my father barracked for them.

[2] Hypocrisy: Clarkson, Hodge and many others are total hypocrites. I was at the game many years ago when both Buddy and Fev were going for their 100th goal of the season. Buddy got his early: we couldn't stop Hawthorn at the time. However, as the game went on, Fev got closer and closer, up to 99 at 3/4 time. Hawthorn then did everything they could to stop Fev getting that final goal, including playing 5 men on him. Naturally Fev fell short, although a number of very cheap goals managed to be scored by us during the quarter.
Clarkson, Hodge and others then came out of separate occasions to state that it was pity that Fev didn't get his 100, that they did not try extra hard to stop him getting the goal and that they would be happy to see it happen.
What bald faced lies they uttered.
It doesn't bother me that they were so competitive that they felt they had to defend every goal. I can understand that. But to come out publically and to try to rewrite history with them in the role of good guy was ridiculous. I cannot believe any of them could honestly have believed that trash having seem them play

I was there too and with some Hawks supporters and they, along with Clarkson, were laughing in our faces at Fev not getting that milestone. What poor sports.

As has been said, Clarkson dropped 7!!! Players back on to Fev to ensure he didn't get his 100. It had nothing to do with them not wanting the crowd to rush the ground at all, Clarkson is just a ****.  Had he played fair Fev would've gotten his 100 And there could've been a double celebration and the game would be talked about now still for fair sportsmanship and two of the big time forwards getting their 100 at the same time. Instead Clarksons bloody attitude of screw everyone and don't care who you trample on to get what you want mean the game is really only remembered by both supporters for buddy and by Carlton supporters as showing that Clarkson was a ruthless small small Man.

Clarkson is a bad sport and just a **** of a guy. End of discussion.

Not the place for this enquiry but what the hell.  Does anyone know who the very, very short person was who walked around the ground with the 87 premiership group?

Not the place for this enquiry but what the hell.  Does anyone know who the very, very short person was who walked around the ground with the 87 premiership group?

Fraser Murphy (169 cms)?

Or was it a leprechaun?  :o

Not the place for this enquiry but what the hell.  Does anyone know who the very, very short person was who walked around the ground with the 87 premiership group?

Had Alistair Clarkson already started chasing Ian Aitken?

I was there too and with some Hawks supporters and they, along with Clarkson, were laughing in our faces at Fev not getting that milestone. What poor sports.

As has been said, Clarkson dropped 7!!! Players back on to Fev to ensure he didn't get his 100. It had nothing to do with them not wanting the crowd to rush the ground at all, Clarkson is just a ****.  Had he played fair Fev would've gotten his 100 And there could've been a double celebration and the game would be talked about now still for fair sportsmanship and two of the big time forwards getting their 100 at the same time. Instead Clarksons bloody attitude of screw everyone and don't care who you trample on to get what you want mean the game is really only remembered by both supporters for buddy and by Carlton supporters as showing that Clarkson was a ruthless small small Man.

Clarkson is a bad sport and just a **** of a guy. End of discussion.

It was a long time ago but I recall a Hawthorn player saying they did it off their own bat because Fev was so rampant that they thought Buddy's Coleman was in jeopardy.

It was a long time ago but I recall a Hawthorn player saying they did it off their own bat because Fev was so rampant that they thought Buddy's Coleman was in jeopardy.

Yeah right.

AFL clubs always let young players entering a finals series to implement an off the cuff re-organisation of the game plan the week before the finals! ::)

Yeah right.

AFL clubs always let young players entering a finals series to implement an off the cuff re-organisation of the game plan the week before the finals! ::)

Makes more sense than suggesting they got their rocks off Fev not getting a ton.

That's bulldust.  Buddy kicked his hundreth in the third, whorks were up by maybe a hundred in the last, with four blokes hanging off Fev plus the entire side packed into defence.

Yep, must have been downright terrified of Fev breaking Fred Fanning's record in the last and us getting within 6 goals....

He beat Fev by 3 goals in the end, he had numerous chances to get those 3 goals if he didn't have 4 guys on him.

That's bulldust.  Buddy kicked his hundreth in the third, whorks were up by maybe a hundred in the last, with four blokes hanging off Fev plus the entire side packed into defence.

Yep, must have been downright terrified of Fev breaking Fred Fanning's record in the last and us getting within 6 goals....

Yes, it was quite obvious that it was a co-ordinated campaign to stop Fev getting his hundred.  Players don't do that off their own bat.  In fact, they wouldn't have given a fat rat's clacker about how many goals Fev kicked, as long as they won and that wasn't in doubt.  It was Clarkson at his unsociable best trying to get a psychological advantage.

He beat Fev by 3 goals in the end, he had numerous chances to get those 3 goals if he didn't have 4 guys on him.

Didn't Fev get 6 or 7 on the night!

Why would they give a crap about Fev gettig 100 goals? The only people who did were Fev and Carlton fans.

Makes more sense than suggesting they got their rocks off Fev not getting a ton.

Really, I think it's just the sort of getting his rocks off that Clarkson thrives on.

Perhaps you should ask Premiership Player Ian Atken, send him around to remind Clarkson of how many flags he played in!

Didn't Fev get 6 or 7 on the night!

Round 22, 2008. Fev kicked 7.3.

Didn't Fev get 6 or 7 on the night!

7 despite being goalless at halftime, he was on fire.

Why would they give a crap about Fev gettig 100 goals? The only people who did were Fev and Carlton fans.

Thought it was public knowledge that they said in no way was fev getting his 100 that day.

Thought it was public knowledge that they said in no way was fev getting his 100 that day.

I've seen that on Carlton forums but nothing directly from anyone at Hawthorn. Only thing I remember was a player saying they thought Buddy's Coleman medal was in jeopardy.

Moved Roughead to centre half back deliberately to stop Fevola.

Did he not want him to get his 100??

Or did he want to stop a rampant opposition player?

Either way he did it to stop him, and didn't move him forward till the final minute.

Make of that what you will.

Fev should have and could have easily taken out Roughead and Franklin who both fell back into his space, I bet they would not have done that to Lockett, it would have ended the Dawks season and the bullcrap Clarkson legend.

I've seen that on Carlton forums but nothing directly from anyone at Hawthorn. Only thing I remember was a player saying they thought Buddy's Coleman medal was in jeopardy.

I thought i remember a playing coming out and saying it reletively recently (last year or 2).

Reckon it was on AFL360 or Gameday or something like that.

Fraser Murphy (169 cms)?

Or was it a leprechaun?  :o

I thought that it was Fraser walking with Sticks but this was a little bald block in the background.

I see Murphy regularly and he's got plenty of hair, but he's still solid.  Only Blues player I know shorter than I am?

I thought that it was Fraser walking with Sticks but this was a little bald block in the background.

I didnt see it but i know Mark Naley was there and has had 2 tumours removed from his brain. so small, bald... sounds like him... as an assumption only.

apparently it was a huge effort for him to get there.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/fevola-blew-his-chances-but-it-was-a-special-effort-sayshawthorn-coach/2008/08/31/1220121049182.html

When you're at a game you can sense what's happening and why

That day they clearly, on instruction, made sure that Fev would not get his 100.  Clarkson is a bullcrapter and that 'he missed some in the first so it was his own fault' was him being extremely insincere.

Clarkson is not a good fair guy. Fair would've been playing out the game as they started it, not loading up around Fev.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/fevola-blew-his-chances-but-it-was-a-special-effort-sayshawthorn-coach/2008/08/31/1220121049182.html

When you're at a game you can sense what's happening and why

That day they clearly, on instruction, made sure that Fev would not get his 100.  Clarkson is a bullcrapter and that 'he missed some in the first so it was his own fault' was him being extremely insincere.

Clarkson is not a good fair guy. Fair would've been playing out the game as they started it, not loading up around Fev.

Awwww sooky sooky la la. The big bad coach of the opposition didn't let us kick some goals. This is the AFL not the under 10s where everything is fair and there are no winners and no losers.

Awwww sooky sooky la la. The big bad coach of the opposition didn't let us kick some goals. This is the AFL not the under 10s where everything is fair and there are no winners and no losers.

From our perspective as CFC supporters, it would have been ideal if Clarkson put the clamps on after Fev got his 100. That way the Hawks still get a bazillion point victory, Buddy gets his Coleman, and Fev gets his ton.

Anyhoo, nearly 10 seasons after the fact, 99 goals still looks very impressive, and I don't think adding 1 goal to make 100 would make it any more so.

Bloody Fev. He coulda been a contender.

Well take heart, if he's that big of a kent to the opposition, then you can be certain he's a massive kent internally as well. Which could well explain the regular defectors.

I suppose Mitchell, Lewis and Co have already found this out! ;D

Awwww sooky sooky la la. The big bad coach of the opposition didn't let us kick some goals. This is the AFL not the under 10s where everything is fair and there are no winners and no losers.

I was there that night - and it was undoubtedly a kent act...  EVERYONE in the crowd knew it - CFC and Dawks supporters..... it was so obvioulsy not a normal ploy.  There were 18 blokes behind the footy.  Fev still nearly snagged a couple.   Ont he night everyone just knew, it was obvious, it was Clarko being a little kent.  It wasnt about the game situation or anything remotely sportsmanlike

I was there that night - and it was undoubtedly a kent act...  EVERYONE in the crowd knew it - CFC and Dawks supporters..... it was so obvioulsy not a normal ploy.  There were 18 blokes behind the footy.  Fev still nearly snagged a couple.   Ont he night everyone just knew, it was obvious, it was Clarko being a little kent.  It wasnt about the game situation or anything remotely sportsmanlike

Yes, apparently his disgusting on-field behavior in London was all Carlton's fault! ::)

There were 18 blokes behind the footy. 

That's been happening every week for the last 15 years.

That's been happening every week for the last 15 years.

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That's been happening every week for the last 15 years.

Cmon man, pull your head out there already.

Were you at the game? If you were you would've realised that despite Fev being double/triple teamed most weeks, this was something completely different.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hawthorn-coach-alastair-clarkson-humiliated-by-junior-football-swearing-incident/news-story/4fc2b0ee6ac420006af7f2e7d8f58d12?sv=f1480407a3a899301c68c07ebf0cc718

Nah this is what this tool does at junior footy  ::)

Cmon man, pull your head out there already.

Were you at the game? If you were you would've realised that despite Fev being double/triple teamed most weeks, this was something completely different.

Yes, it's not something I had ever seen before or since.  I remember seeing footage of Clarkson laughing when one of the three blokes on Fev intercepted a pass.

Do you know how pathetic you all sound? Complaining about the opposition defending too well against us. Boo hoo! Big bad Clarko was at it again tonight not letting Bob win his last game.

Do you know how pathetic you all sound? Complaining about the opposition defending too well against us. Boo hoo! Big bad Clarko was at it again tonight not letting Bob win his last game.

Perhaps ... but defending Clarko should get you banned  ;)

Do you know how pathetic you all sound? Complaining about the opposition defending too well against us. Boo hoo! Big bad Clarko was at it again tonight not letting Bob win his last game.

Whats even better, he wiped that smug grin off that ass hole Beveridge's face by knocking them out of finals contention.

Do you know how pathetic you all sound? Complaining about the opposition defending too well against us. Boo hoo! Big bad Clarko was at it again tonight not letting Bob win his last game.

I'm not complaining about the opposition defending too well against us.

I'm complaining about the fact you said that that was no different to any other game and there was no deliberate tactic to stop fev getting 100. That is all complete bollocks.

Clarko isn't going to win any "best guy in town" awards any time soon and '87 and the game in question are too classic examples as to why.

That game would've gone down in history as the only game 2 players have reached 100 goals together. Now it has an '*' on it courtesy of Clarko and his tactics. Nothing against the rules, but if it was cricket it would be against the spirit of the game.

I kind of remember us doing something similar to McKenna when he was going for his hundredth one year...he still got the goal. ::)

I'm not complaining about the opposition defending too well against us.

I'm complaining about the fact you said that that was no different to any other game and there was no deliberate tactic to stop fev getting 100. That is all complete bollocks.

Clarko isn't going to win any "best guy in town" awards any time soon and '87 and the game in question are too classic examples as to why.

That game would've gone down in history as the only game 2 players have reached 100 goals together. Now it has an '*' on it courtesy of Clarko and his tactics. Nothing against the rules, but if it was cricket it would be against the spirit of the game.

Agree. Clarkson didn't bother loading up on Fev for most of the second half, despite kicking 7.3 in the end. He only loaded up when Fev got close to the ton.

If the game was in the balance, with only a couple of points in it in the dying stages of the last, with 4 points to play for, I suspect he would not have been so Fev-centric.

Is one of the objectives of a coach to deny "spiritual nourishment" to opposition teams whilst at the same time providing it to his own?

We can all complain about it, but this is what ruthless looks like.

This is why he has coached a team to 4 flags.

He won't allow the opposition any victory big or small.

This does make him a hypocritical person, but that's insignificant and hardly any will remember this in the long run.

Mathews was probably no different.

No one cares anymore.

Barrassi was probably the same.

You get the idea.