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Seriously, guys, Warnock is not that bad. He is far from perfect: most of his faults have been highlighted of late.
However:
[1] He actually has a pretty good tank and does not do poorly on long distance running. He simply can't sprint for nuts.
[2] At training his kicking is usually quite efficient. He has shots at goal and rarely misses, even from decent angles. However, he appears to lack confidence in that area, as his kicking for goal at senior level has been poor now for a couple of years. He needs work on his kicking, absolutely, but he isn't a dead loss in this area. Consider him as having a multiple year long yips.
[3] His marking on the track is not that bad either. Getting him to mark consistently and under pressure seems to be the issue. Getting our players to trust him to mark the ball is also an issue: we do NOT kick to him even when he is free.
[4] He appears to drop confidence very easily: that is the thing that irritates me the most about his game. He really needs a good dose of persistence.
[5] Very few ruckmen take many marks against him. He generally keeps other ruckmen quite quiet around the ground. He struggled in that regard against Essendon as the players he was playing against were much quicker than he was, so he didn't get to the contest. Also Essendon planned to use that weakness against him: their plans worked, as we could not put any pressure on their defenders clearing the ball from defence. Things would have been considerably different if they were kicking long to a contest or kicking under pressure.

Let me get this straight up from my recent reading of this thread.

Leigh Matthews, perhaps the best player ever to walk onto the field and now the possessor of a pretty spectacular coaching record, states Aaron Sandilands is over-rated.

Sandilands a player who per game averages 100% more marks and scoring shots, 30% more hit outs and possessions and 25% more ranking points than our Robert Warnock.

Yet many say Robert Warnock is not that bad, as Sam Newman would say, Ohh Really? 

Perhaps Leigh Matthews in his aging state got the name wrong, can you guess who it should have been?

Crash,  what is Touhy doing wrong?

Quote from: crashlander on April 08, 2014, 12:06:28 pm

Seriously, guys, Warnock is not that bad. He is far from perfect: most of his faults have been highlighted of late.
However:
[1] He actually has a pretty good tank and does not do poorly on long distance running. He simply can't sprint for nuts.
[2] At training his kicking is usually quite efficient. He has shots at goal and rarely misses, even from decent angles. However, he appears to lack confidence in that area, as his kicking for goal at senior level has been poor now for a couple of years. He needs work on his kicking, absolutely, but he isn't a dead loss in this area. Consider him as having a multiple year long yips.
[3] His marking on the track is not that bad either. Getting him to mark consistently and under pressure seems to be the issue. Getting our players to trust him to mark the ball is also an issue: we do NOT kick to him even when he is free.
[4] He appears to drop confidence very easily: that is the thing that irritates me the most about his game. He really needs a good dose of persistence.
[5] Very few ruckmen take many marks against him. He generally keeps other ruckmen quite quiet around the ground. He struggled in that regard against Essendon as the players he was playing against were much quicker than he was, so he didn't get to the contest. Also Essendon planned to use that weakness against him: their plans worked, as we could not put any pressure on their defenders clearing the ball from defence. Things would have been considerably different if they were kicking long to a contest or kicking under pressure.

All this sounds just like what was written for J Russell. Good player but just couldn't cut the mustard when the pressure got hot. Ditto Warnock (except the good player bit)

Quote from: Professer E on April 08, 2014, 12:09:23 pm

Crash,  what is Touhy doing wrong?

He started the year very well, just like he finished last year. But getting injured against North was a disaster for him. He has struggled since then to get any flow into his game and any confidence into himself.
It is not all of his fault: the lack of work ethic in the whole team at the moment as meant that the ball is coming down quickly to his opponent, instead of giving him some time to compete. As a result he is losing one on ones in the air, which he didn't do last year. He is also losing one on ones on the ground, as his confidence is low. Being out 'strengthed' and out maneuvered by Dustin Martin last week was a perfect example. Last year that wouldn't have happened.
Zac plays best when HE is attacking the ball.
I'd be tempted to give him a week or 2 at the Baby Blues. That may not be possible, as the guys who could replace him are not quite there yet. Scotland, maybe? I'd prefer Docherty, but he is honestly a couple of weeks off as yet.
The point would be to get him into the middle of the ground, around the ball. Get him attacking the pill and have guys worrying about him, instead of him worrying about quicker guys. Also, if he manages to squish a few dangerous little guys in the middle of the ground and have them worrying about his ability to out mark them would also make a difference. With a bit more of his mojo back, we can place him on a wing in the seniors and get his self belief back up. In no time he'll be back to his best, winning the one on ones again.

In the long term, I'd like our coaching staff to have him work on his body work. There isn't any good reason to have guys like Martin out muscle him at any time, let alone crucial ones. The other thing I would do is work on his sprints: his first couple of meters. He is reacting a little slowly at the moment: he isn't really slow. Having him pick up the ball that little quicker won't hurt him at all.

Seriously, guys, Warnock is not that bad. He is far from perfect: most of his faults have been highlighted of late.
However:

[1] He actually has a pretty good tank and does not do poorly on long distance running. He simply can't sprint for nuts.
(Yet inferior to Kreuzer, and in the past inferior to Hampson as well!)

[2] At training his kicking is usually quite efficient. He has shots at goal and rarely misses, even from decent angles. However, he appears to lack confidence in that area, as his kicking for goal at senior level has been poor now for a couple of years. He needs work on his kicking, absolutely, but he isn't a dead loss in this area. Consider him as having a multiple year long yips.
(Yet the coach states he has no future up forward!)

[3] His marking on the track is not that bad either. Getting him to mark consistently and under pressure seems to be the issue. Getting our players to trust him to mark the ball is also an issue: we do NOT kick to him even when he is free.
(Averages 1 mark every 5 games, FFS he is 206cm, most rucks get more marks per week than he gets in a year!)

[4] He appears to drop confidence very easily: that is the thing that irritates me the most about his game. He really needs a good dose of persistence.
(He needs to grow some cohonas!)

[5] Very few ruckmen take many marks against him.(If only small to medium forwards didn't mark against him too!) He generally keeps other ruckmen quite quiet around the ground.(Didn't you say he can't sprint for nuts, he isn't even contesting a lot of stuff!) He struggled in that regard against Essendon as the players he was playing against were much quicker than he was, so he didn't get to the contest. Also Essendon planned to use that weakness against him:(Everybody uses his weaknesses against him!) their plans worked, as we could not put any pressure on their defenders clearing the ball from defence. Things would have been considerably different if they were kicking long to a contest or kicking under pressure.....

@Crash

Interesting post that made me think that a lot of our problems both forward and back are down to our weak midfield and their age old sins. This is putting our defence under a lot more pressure and it's giving our forwards little chance to do anything. That is the area we should be really focussed on fixing up first IMO.