I think Yarran's attitude has gone backwards...no one doubts his talents but he sulked up after getting dropped and continues to pick and choose which contests he should involve himself in. MM has made mistakes but Yarran has to learn accountability like the rest of the playing group and understand that being a highlight reel player wont win him any pats on the back from a coach like Malthouse who from memory suggested he didnt think much of Dane Swan's game one day after Swan got the ball forty times. Like Betts and Garlett he needs to toughen and up and embrace the new coaching style and learn from it.....I think he is capable if he can be bothered and that seems to be the thing about CY...if he can be bothered.
Port have taken no time. Sort of makes a mockery of the 'new gameplan takes time' theory. Also makes you wonder where we might be had we got Hinkley and not the Dark Lo....whoops I mean Malthouse!
Anyway Shades, can we please change the thread title to the 'Era Over Thread' cause this group is going nowhere.
Port have a good midfield...Boak has been a good choice as skipper unlike Murphy and both Hartlett and Wingard have excellent skills.....you add a new tough in and under in Ollie Wines plus workmanlike players in Broadbent and Cornes and you have some nice balance....only Cornes is a genuine tagger the rest are offensive players who win games....you can add the kid Grigg who came on and helped beat the Crows to that group as well. Its mainly young kids who are very skillful.......they will belt us in the last game....
Ahem, correct me if Im wrong, but Grigg played for the crows, and you are thinking of Colquhoun instead.
You are correct...Mitchell Grigg plays for the Crows, happy to retract him from the Port midfield
Port have taken no time. Sort of makes a mockery of the 'new gameplan takes time' theory. Also makes you wonder where we might be had we got Hinkley and not the Dark Lo....whoops I mean Malthouse!
Anyway Shades, can we please change the thread title to the 'Era Over Thread' cause this group is going nowhere.
Port have a good midfield...Boak has been a good choice as skipper unlike Murphy and both Hartlett and Wingard have excellent skills.....you add a new tough in and under in Ollie Wines plus workmanlike players in Broadbent and Cornes and you have some nice balance....only Cornes is a genuine tagger the rest are offensive players who win games....you can add the kid Grigg who came on and helped beat the Crows to that group as well. Its mainly young kids who are very skillful.......they will belt us in the last game....
100%. Our midfield is that of a bottom 8 side. Small, slow, low skill. Low "hurt factor". Can't get it, or get it AND stop the other bloke.
Can't play Cachia, Carrots and Curnow in the same side. 3 taggers is like playing without half a midfield. Too defensive because the big names don't have a defensive side.
Robinson has had a dog of year - can't buy a kick.
Give Bell or even Graham a go.. and tell 'em to do they do best - hunt the ball. Force the other mob to be accountable by causing scoreboard hurt.
Mundy, Fyfe, Crowley, Barlow at 190 + cm and similar weight...and they run both ways. That's why we were crushed.
Well summed up Prof....we are a the Bulldogs of old with Dimmatina, Libb and Romero....all tagging and no attack or flair.
Gibbs bashing starts when it was clear he was one of our best and beat (what should have been) Freo primary avenue to goal .
Gibbs was reasonable on Mayne IMO but probably got judged on some of his skill errors in general play where he turned the ball over......I keep saying it but Gibb needs to be played onball and in attack and I would have moved Walker forward as well.......Gibbs is a midfield goalkicker not a defacto FullBack. Mick didnt coach that well tonight IMO and let the game slide...
Let's be brutally honest here - apart from the first 7 mins of the game & a 5 min patch in the 3rd, Freo were more than a class above us in every facet....and I don't reckon they even got out of 1st gear for the most part.
Their 'second-tier' players such as Suban, Neale, Pearce, Dawson, Mzungu, Clarke smashed us....that's the second-tier, then you've got the like of Walters, Mundy, Fyfe, Hill, Barlow, Mayne, Ballantyne all producing something special throughout the game. Have no doubts, this Freo team has a VERY talented list & the result simply reiterates where we're at as a team....very much middle-of-the-road, we can be a pest to the better teams, but that's about it.
What a horror story from so many out there tonight.......Murphy, Walker, Robbo, Yarran, McLean, Rowe, Betts, Cachia, Garlett, Carrazzo (all of them craphouse), closely followed by Gibbs, Kreuzer, Lucas, Armfield & Curnow (who all at least did some good, mixed with their bad), leaving just Judd, Simmo, Watson, Henderson, Scotland, Jamison & Tuohy who all had a crack all night & who all had more of a positive affect on the game, than a negative.
If I hear one more person saying how they saw friggin' Joe Bloggs limping with an ice-pack after the game, I'll spew up. Most of us have played a serious game of footy at some stage in our lives - and guess what, I was limping like a son-of-a-bitch after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, but felt fine during the game itself. Stop making bloody excuses for these blokes.
Marc Murphy - seriously, how many performances of that calibre have you produced this year? Too many to be considered a bonafide AFL captain. He's an absolute shadow of the player he was last year, we get glimpses every once in a while, but overall, name me a more disappointing player this year?
You'd think out of the 3 of them, one of Garlett, Betts or Yarran could produce an acceptable performance......no chance of that apparently. A more crapful collective game from that trio we won't see this year.....although I wouldn't put it past them.
How does Robbie Warnock not get selected for this game? Sam Rowe.....nup, not for me - he looks miles out of his depth at this level, zero influence for the 3rd consecutive week....he's been given a decent enough crack this time around to show that he's simply not up to it, but alas - he's been retained for another year, so he'd wanna improve & improve real quick or else next year will be his last as an AFL player.
Andrew Carrazzo - yet another injury.....form mine, the bell tolls for thee. Reckon he needs to make a very considered decision at the end of the year. Then there's Robbo.....what to do with Robbo, would he be getting a game for anyone in the top 4? Probably not.
Bryce Gibbs......*sigh*, Andrew Walker......*sigh*
I'm betting Mick cannot wait to get his hands on this list come year's end......
Fyfe and Mayne are very good players and I'd be happy to steal Suban off Freo...agree on Rowe but rate Warnock similar and prefer to see Casboult trialled again..
Thanks for stuffing our weekend Carlton, what a putrid, putrid effort. Please explain this in your next email Mick.
1. The play the boundary line game plan (and always kick to a contest) was horribly flawed tonight, can't believe we paid a bloke $1m a year for this rubbish. Had no idea how to beat the press - how's about playing on at all costs? Nup, lets stop, prop, kick sideways....NO FLAIR = NO HOPE AGAINST THE PRESS. 2. Thanks Simmo for having a real go and putting your body in, I'd give Touhy, Jamo and K a tick as well. But why so many passengers??? Time to start playing kids as Murphy, Gibbs, Betts, Yarran, Robinson and many of the others just don't care. Gave NADA. 3. Our mids are all too small. They all gave away 5-10 kgs each and we were monstered tonight in just about every position on the ground. The amount of times they broke tackles was embarrassing. 4. The Rowe experiment is over. Hard hands and no second efforts. Can't win without a forward line. 5. Worst game I've seen from Walker for years. Constantly our of position, fumbles...errors. Stupid frees AARGH. 6. The three amigos. Play like millionaires.. won't do the basics. Playing for kicks instead of attacking the ball - cost 3 goals tonight. Yarra, is taking the urine on that "effort" tonight. 7. Lazy, lazy, lazy. Hard to clear the ball from 50 when nobody presents. Hard to defend when the forwards and mids let the opposition run into space most of the night.
All in all, bitterly disappointed. I said before this year that we are a 9-12 ranked side and that is exactly what we are. We need a CHF, a CHB and 3 midfielders around 190/90 kg. Our gnomes (eg Armfield, Murphy) just aren't in the game against Barlow, Mundy etc
I am a Rowe fan but was dissapointed in his marking and groundwork tonight...falls over too much and have to agree he probably wont make it and is backup material only.
Too many defensive mids for starters, and none of them quick. Poor games from some of our good players and average games from our average players, only a few really stood up for four quarters. Freo were too quick, too strong, too committed and too well drilled, we kept plugging away but they always looked like they could crack us open. 9th or 10th is about where we deserve to be.
I know - makes you shake your head......tex, seriously, did you just fast-forward through the game watching our goals only, 'cos unless that's what you did, that opinion has no place in this forum....
Its a fair effort if you are setting the bar low......to run out of steam and the ability to contest in the last quarter was worrying with regards our fitness and leadership...Scotland and Simposn excepted. To allow Ballantyne and Crowley to imtimidate our players was even worse...the sight of these two laughing at our performance was sickening....if you are going togo down at least go down swinging, we just fell to our knees and closed our eyes...
Yarran put up one of the weakest contests I've ever seen and then when he didn't win the ball he just stopped and watched. We just need to cut our losses and trade this guy.
Agree...his best is great but his attitude to picking and choosing contests makes him a liability.
Its the tackling that dissapointed me...ours didnt stick, the broke them easily and a lot of their players stood up in the tackles and got clean ball away to teammates.
Murphy needs to hand back the captains role and learn how to defend himslef vs the taggers...get a tape of another small bloke in Brent Harvey. Crowley ran away from Murphy in the last quarter and Murph couldnt go with him.....I think Bell has to play, we dont have size around the ball and need some 190cm, 90kg mids who can mark the footy, and stand up in tackles, we looked very undersized in contests.
Its sad to see murphys soft underbelly - he's getting targeted week after week and its affecting his game. I seriously wouldn't be upset if he knocked out Crowley and got 3 weeks- get some respect back. I' ll say if he wasn't who he is, he'd be dropped and graham would be in
