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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #270 –
If you can be bothered, listen to the SEN caller Mick at 31:15. He is onto something.
Bob and Andy were discussing Carlton and an Ess support called in saying we have improved. Mick called and gave his perspective.
https://www.sen.com.au/programs/sen-drive/
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #271 –
If you bothered to look at the episode, you might hold a different view.  But since you won't?  So be it
 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #272 –
Quote from: PaulP on
I assume no further effort is required to kick 14.9 than to kick 9.14 ?

I'm not suggesting everything is hunky dory, nor am I suggesting we don't have plenty to work on, but all this sky-is-falling stuff is IMO premature, not really backed up by the last 15,20 games and for a trigger happy club like the CFC, is virtually guaranteed to lead us into trouble.

Never been a fan of comparing scoring shots.
For a start...poor kicking is poor football.
Poor skills or shots under pressure.
Secondly you don't know without looking how many of the behinds are rushed points.
OOF is another factor.

The scoreboard actually flattered us.
If we'd have got to the stage where we actually started to worry them they would have clicked it up a gear and skipped away.
They were very average but still had our measure.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #274 –
Quote from: kruddler on
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/04/21/why-are-we-bashing-carlton-again/

Please read.

For all 'The sky is falling' folk, please point out errors in this story.

People aren't just upset about this season.
It's the 20 odd seasons before and what they perceive is another wasted year and more of the same.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #275 –
Quote from: Lods on
People aren't just upset about this season.
It's the 20 odd seasons before and what they perceive is another wasted year and more of the same.

I get that. But that is somewhat irrelevant.

Its like playing poker.
We've had some dud hands.
We've made some bad calls.

Now we don't quite have pocket aces, but we've got a middle pair. We are not expected to win most hands, but we will win some.
If we worry about all the hands that came before to make our decision now, we will make the wrong decision.
We need to focus on the cards we currently hold, and the chance that what we have will win the round we are in. Nothing more, Nothing less.
Doing anything else is playing on emotion and emotion does not lead to good decisions.

Ask yourself, WWJD WWSD
What Would SPOCK Do?

Thing logically about the situation, devoid of all emotion.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #276 –
Quote from: Lods on
Never been a fan of comparing scoring shots.
For a start...poor kicking is poor football.
Poor skills or shots under pressure.
Secondly you don't know without looking how many of the behinds are rushed points.
OOF is another factor.

The scoreboard actually flattered us.
If we'd have got to the stage where we actually started to worry them they would have clicked it up a gear and skipped away.
They were very average but still had our measure.

I think poor kicking for goal is precisely that - it's not bad football. It doesn't invalidate what has got the ball into the goal kicking position. It is simply bad finishing. It was our worst performance for the season, against a real flag contender. If you thought Port were average that night, I shudder to think what their best might look like.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #277 –
I read what was said on The Roar and thought a comment on the article by a contributor might be of interest:

"It's the nature of the loss to Port that's the problem.  Nearly a quarter of the Blues total score was kicked in the last 5 minutes of the game when Port had clocked off.

Carlton had 10 of the lowest 12 disposal-getters on the ground, and the two Port players in that bottom 12 were injured pair Hartlett and Dan Houston, who was subbed out at halftime.

There are glaring stats that Carlton must swiftly address or run the risk of missing the finals for an eighth consecutive season.

The first is simple but damning.  The Blues haven't been ahead of the win-loss ledger during a season since mid-2016.

The other stat is equally telling.  Since the start of 2014, Carlton has won only nine games against teams that went on to play finals in that given season."

With a membership of 80,000 mostly unhappy fans, is it any wonder that the media is on our case?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #278 –
Quote from: Lods on
People aren't just upset about this season.
It's the 20 odd seasons before and what they perceive is another wasted year and more of the same.

Exactly .... and if it's true the new guys gave the rest of the lazy ones a bake after a loss, then shame on those players.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #279 –
Quote from: Macca37 on
I read what was said on The Roar and thought a comment on the article by a contributor might be of interest:

"It's the nature of the loss to Port that's the problem.  Nearly a quarter of the Blues total score was kicked in the last 5 minutes of the game when Port had clocked off.

Carlton had 10 of the lowest 12 disposal-getters on the ground, and the two Port players in that bottom 12 were injured pair Hartlett and Dan Houston, who was subbed out at halftime.

There are glaring stats that Carlton must swiftly address or run the risk of missing the finals for an eighth consecutive season.

The first is simple but damning.  The Blues haven't been ahead of the win-loss ledger during a season since mid-2016.

The other stat is equally telling.  Since the start of 2014, Carlton has won only nine games against teams that went on to play finals in that given season."

With a membership of 80,000 mostly unhappy fans, is it any wonder that the media is on our case?

I get the nature of the loss, and sure, it is legitimate. But.....look at St. Kilda and Essendon....against worst opposition. By comparison, it is NOT that bad. Yes, we want it to be better and yes we should be angry until it is.....but....it could be worse, and it has been for other teams.

re possession getters....not really a stat worth commenting on IMO. Part of the reason for that is our poor disposal efficiency. We kept turning it over giving them free possessions.
With 2 players down, their other players would have to get more of the ball to compensate anyway. Plus, we are carrying a few too many passengers which we are well aware of, but due to injuries, haven't got any real replacements to choose from.....or at least not enough.

The win/loss stat is disappointing, sure, but 2 things.
1. Fixture means we start 0-1 every year...we are always behind the 8-ball there. Get different teams, and that record magically changes.
2. As mentioned earlier, that is completely irrelevant to where we are with this coach, this playing list and this season.

Yes fans are frustrated. Even in '95 fans were frustrated when we lost to Sydney and St. Kilda. Fans do that.
Fans are also not the most logical and/or rational thinkers out there either. Everyone wants results yesterday.
Again, i get why....but being angry doesn't help anything, it only hurts us. Forcing change when perhaps change is the last thing we want.

The article was right to point out that we, as a football club, are known to 'flinch' and cave to external pressure.
When truckloads of manure was being dumped at punt road and memberships were being ignited in microwaves, richmond stuck by its coach and he is now a triple premiership coach, with more on the way.

There is a lesson there somewhere....

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #280 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I get that. But that is somewhat irrelevant.

Its like playing poker.
We've had some dud hands.
We've made some bad calls.

Now we don't quite have pocket aces, but we've got a middle pair. We are not expected to win most hands, but we will win some.
If we worry about all the hands that came before to make our decision now, we will make the wrong decision.
We need to focus on the cards we currently hold, and the chance that what we have will win the round we are in. Nothing more, Nothing less.
Doing anything else is playing on emotion and emotion does not lead to good decisions.

Ask yourself, WWJD WWSD
What Would SPOCK Do?

Thing logically about the situation, devoid of all emotion.

Spock would probably have a losing season.
The game doesn't follow logical trends and in fact is a most illogical game.
Emotion is at it's very core.
You see that in upsets.
I'm hoping we'll see it this weekend if the team has any pride after the hammering they've received.

If our team comes ready to play, giving intensity, effort and passion on a given day they can knock over any side, even the top ones if they're just a fraction off.
They're all emotional responses.
They defy logic.

Emotion also is at the heart of a supporter base.
Riled enough by lack of effort they can bring extreme pressure on a board to make changes.
You can call for logic.
You won't get it.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #281 –
Quote from: Lods on
Spock would probably have a losing season.
The game doesn't follow logical trends and in fact is a most illogical game.
Emotion is at it's very core.
You see that in upsets.
I'm hoping we'll see it this weekend if the team has any pride after the hammering they've received.

If our team comes ready to play, giving intensity, effort and passion on a given day they can knock over any side, even the top ones if they're just a fraction off.
They're all emotional responses.
They defy logic.

Emotion also is at the heart of a supporter base.
Riled enough by lack of effort they can bring extreme pressure on a board to make changes.
You can call for logic.
You won't get it.


FWIW, i was asking for Spocks point of view as a member, not a coach. ;)

re Red....
Here's a noggin scratcher for you.

What has been the 1 constant with the club over the past 20-odd years?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #282 –
Quote from: kruddler on
What has been the 1 constant with the club over the past 20-odd years?

Kade Simpson ;)

and

A somewhat entitled playing group who only do as much as they feel necessary, and are often resistant to new coaches and new ideas?
A group of individuals rather than a team.

Oh...and the board.
But any changes to coaches that have been made, have been made at the right time.
What is in dispute is the folks they put into the job.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #283 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Kicking straight is probably a good start. In 4 years we have had 2 coaches and about ?? 30,40 list changes. Those two coaches seem, if not diametrically opposed, then certainly very different. How do we address this pressure issue ? Because I'll be buggered if I know. Coach and list changes don't seem to help.

It's personal, not coaching.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #284 –
Quote from: kruddler on
FWIW, i was asking for Spocks point of view as a member, not a coach. ;)

re Red....
Here's a noggin scratcher for you.

What has been the 1 constant with the club over the past 20-odd years?

CSC?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!