Carlton Supporters Club

Yes, I agree it's all in the past. We need another 3 years to see the hard work being done now, coming to fruition.

Yes, painful memories indeed! Add all of those to our poor past culture/development environment and no wonder we ended up as a basket case. Anyway we must now look forward and learn from the past.

Yes, I agree it's all in the past. We need another 3 years to see the hard work being done now, coming to fruition.

GITC, I also knew a bloke who was part of the recruiting network for a  Victorian club and he indicated that a couple of clubs are regarded as recruiting and trading nuff nuffs... not just us. 

A number of clubs openly laughed when we drafted a "fat, unfit" Cripps.  I do take exception to the fact that everybody we drafted pre-SOS was a dud, many were highly regarded juniors.  Some like Giles were  cruelled by injury, others were nutcases, but poor development certainly played a big role in the failure of many to come through.

GITC, I also knew a bloke who was part of the recruiting network for a  Victorian club and he indicated that a couple of clubs are regarded as recruiting and trading nuff nuffs... not just us. 

A number of clubs openly laughed when we drafted a "fat, unfit" Cripps.  I do take exception to the fact that everybody we drafted pre-SOS was a dud, many were highly regarded juniors.  Some like Giles were  cruelled by injury, others were nutcases, but poor development certainly played a big role in the failure of many to come through.

Richmond would almost certainly be one, and maybe the Demons.

I'm not sure about fat and unfit, but my concern with Cripps is his leg speed and his one-trick-ponyness. In a game where speed is becoming more important, and where a variety of skills are paramount, I would not be averse to trading him for the right deal. I would not be so keen to trade Weets, who I regard as a superior footballer.

I don't care who we picked, they were all appropriately rated by us and other clubs and they all failed to progress at our club including those players who left to improve at another club!

The fact that many left our club broken should be a warning to supporters about how our club develops younger players, and keep that in mind relative to our current youth tactics.

You can blame the list manager for some of the mix, but in those cases the coach also gets some blame, the list manager generally acts as instructed.

You can't blame the list manager for players who leave and get better, or players who fail to achieve / reach expectations, that is clearly not the list managers job.

Do you expect the likes of Cripps and Weitering to be re-signing three years from now if the sort of sh1te we currently deliver persists? Will they be physically and psychologically damaged beyond repair? Maybe they'll just be more busted kids on the way out by them!

If the club and players start to improve, doesn't that mean we no longer get low draft picks we say we need, or do you think we can improve with mid-range picks?

Do you really think Gibbs, Murphy and Kreuzer trades will attract low 1st Rnd picks?

Paul, I think Cripps is a bit deceptive wrgt pace. He certainly doesn't look quick but he does seem to have that bit of time to execute, in a similar way that Rhys-Jones used to have. He looks like he is going to be caught but then somehow gets his disposal away OK. Uncanny!

I don't care who we picked, they were all appropriately rated by us and other clubs and they all failed to progress at our club including those players who left to improve at another club!

The fact that many left our club broken should be a warning to supporters about how our club develops younger players, and keep that in mind relative to our current youth tactics.

You can blame the list manager for some of the mix, but in those cases the coach also gets some blame, the list manager generally acts as instructed.

You can't blame the list manager for players who leave and get better, or players who fail to achieve / reach expectations, that is clearly not the list managers job.

Do you expect the likes of Cripps and Weitering to be re-signing three years from now if the sort of sh1te we currently deliver persists? Will they be physically and psychologically damaged beyond repair? Maybe they'll just be more busted kids on the way out by them!

If the club and players start to improve, doesn't that mean we no longer get low draft picks we say we need, or do you think we can improve with mid-range picks?

Do you really think Gibbs, Murphy and Kreuzer trades will attract low 1st Rnd picks?

He looks very fallible now that he hasn't got Tuohy backing him up in the defensive rotation.

It's only 2-3 years since GWS was experiencing similar thrashings to ours last weekend. GWS has now turned the corner and look premiership threats. We have to stick to the plan. I'm sure Bolton will rest players as they tire. That's why we have the likes of Palmer, Kerridge, Alex Silvagni, Thomas, Curnow (Ed.), Gibbs, etc. still on our list. Even GWS had to have some mature players to spread the physical workload while the young ones muscled-up.

It's only 2-3 years since GWS was experiencing similar thrashings to ours last weekend. GWS has now turned the corner and look premiership threats. We have to stick to the plan. I'm sure Bolton will rest players as they tire. That's why we have the likes of Palmer, Kerridge, Alex Silvagni, Thomas, Curnow (Ed.), Gibbs, etc. still on our list. Even GWS had to have some mature players to spread the physical workload while the young ones muscled-up.

Paul, I think Cripps is a bit deceptive wrgt pace. He certainly doesn't look quick but he does seem to have that bit of time to execute, in a similar way that Rhys-Jones used to have. He looks like he is going to be caught but then somehow gets his disposal away OK. Uncanny!

GWS were recruiting top draft picks at least 3x faster than Carlton is able to collect them, and that even assumes we stay at the bottom long enough to get early picks!

So if we want to be another GWS we need far more early draft picks, where are they going to come from?