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Quote from: DJC – on February 12, 2025, 10:09:05 pm

Don't know much about the NSW Government, but they've just introduced tougher laws against anti-Semitism 

One of the co accused has already said they are struggling mentally and have severe panic attacks.

They swore an allegiance to our country and have gone completely against this oath.
If we had some balls we would send em back.

Quote from: shawny – on February 12, 2025, 11:02:50 pm

One of the co accused has already said they are struggling mentally and have severe panic attacks.

They swore an allegiance to our country and have gone completely against this oath.
If we had some balls we would send em back.

Can't resist commenting on this, Shawny.

At the risk of being really, really boring by bringing this up again, this little black duck has PTSD from events in a war zone when in the Navy. Okay, the major presenting symptom of my PTSD is severe panic attacks, correctly known as PAD (Panic Anxiety Disorder). I, and no-one else I know with the same condition, ever found ourselves engaging in hateful speech and opinion... FFS, with this Disorder every cell in your body believes you're dying, you've got a hard time holding any other thought than dying, let alone lashing out at others. You cannot work. You struggle to get from one minute to the next. It's been a couple of decades now since I've had an 'episode' due to good management and great support from appropriate medicos.

So I'm calling absolute, 100% bullsh*t on trying to use severe panic attacks as an excuse or reason for such appalling, hateful comments. And it really does get on my goat when people play the mental health card to excuse and justify bad behaviour. Psychotic episodes or sociopathic personality disorders, sure, we expect awful and tragic things from those folks... but not panic attack or anxiety disorder folks or depressive illness folks, indeed most folks with mental health challenges. Hopefully psychiatric/psychological professionals will see right through this charade and downright manipulative rubbish... and call it out.

One of the co accused has already said they are struggling mentally and have severe panic attacks.

They swore an allegiance to our country and have gone completely against this oath.
If we had some balls we would send em back.

Then there’s the long history of anti-Semitism and the imposition of Israel on a Muslim Middle East almost 2,000 years after the Romans expelled them and created the Jewish diaspora.

My guess is that it's just a couple of young ones, big noting themselves to a Jewish 'influencer' and trying to get a rise out of him.
They were saying things that they never thought would see the light of day.
Naive in the extreme
And now they've gone and pissed their careers away.

But no doubt there will now be a pretty thorough investigation into some of the situations where the folks they cared for have not done well.
They better hope there are not some instances where patients have succumbed for unexplained reasons.

Quote from: Lods – on February 13, 2025, 11:17:41 am

My guess is that it's just a couple of young ones, big noting themselves to a Jewish 'influencer' and trying to get a rise out of him.
They were saying things that they never thought would see the light of day.
Naive in the extreme
And now they've gone and pissed their careers away.

But no doubt there will now be a pretty thorough investigation into some of the situations where the folks they cared for have not done well.
They better hope there are not some instances where patients have succumbed for unexplained reasons.

I find this a little dismissive of what those two animals said Lods, I'm sure it wasnt your intention. They knew exactly what they were saying because they are programed to do so from birth. It was no joke, it was no accident, it was deliberate and abhorrent racism/terrorism and should be treated as such.

You can't excuse what they were saying.
It was 'deliberate and abhorrent'.
They've paid a heavy price already with the publicity and loss of their careers.
Good luck getting a job in any area.
There may be some criminal charges just as a result of the words
There will also be a pretty thorough investigation to ensure the things they were saying don't have a basis in actual criminal acts.

We can only guess at the motivation.
It may be something sinister, and a 'hate' programmed from birth.

Or was it faced with a person of Jewish background, who is a bit of an influencer,and has as one of his aims the outing of anti-semitism in social media... the intention was to shock and unsettle Max Veifer.
Terrorists or Numbskulls
I'm sure it will be given a full investigation given the current climate.

Quote from: Lods – on February 13, 2025, 04:13:56 pm

You can't excuse what they were saying.
It was 'deliberate and abhorrent'.
They've paid a heavy price already with the publicity and loss of their careers.
Good luck getting a job in any area.
There may be some criminal charges just as a result of the words
There will also be a pretty thorough investigation to ensure the things they were saying don't have a basis in actual criminal acts.

We can only guess at the motivation.
It may be something sinister, and a 'hate' programmed from birth.

Or was it faced with a person of Jewish background, who is a bit of an influencer,and has as one of his aims the outing of anti-semitism in social media... the intention was to shock and unsettle Max Veifer.
Terrorists or Numbskulls
I'm sure it will be given a full investigation given the current climate.

The maggots haven't paid any price as far as I'm concerned. They are wired to be this way and they aren't numbskulls. They need to be made an example of to stop this from happening again (or at least the next person that doesn't will know what's coming there way). It's completely unacceptable, I have never felt so strongly about something.

Yep.
Most Islamic folks who adhere to the teachings of the Koran are not like these two clowns. But... like the KKK being the Christian extreme (white supremacy rubbish), there are those disaffected, disenfranchised and down right angry extremists (in any Fundamentalist religion) who are bloody dangerous. And this country cannot tolerate their divisiveness and hatred.
Sadly, some will be emboldened by the behaviour of these two and that can, and does, lead to more violence.
This is a chance for the Aussie legal system/police to bring the full force of the law against these two, to send a very clear message to extremists - bring this sh*t to our country and you will be punished, big time. We must be totally intolerant of such cr@p.
I also feel really strongly about this issue, GTC. These religious extremists must learn something about living in our mostly peaceful, tolerant nation - toe the line with our cultural values and enjoy this ripper place, or FO. Our legal system/police force must send a powerful message with the punishment of these two.

Quote from: Baggers – on February 13, 2025, 07:09:23 pm

Yep.
Most Islamic folks who adhere to the teachings of the Koran are not like these two clowns. But... like the KKK being the Christian extreme (white supremacy rubbish), there are those disaffected, disenfranchised and down right angry extremists (in any Fundamentalist religion) who are bloody dangerous. And this country cannot tolerate their divisiveness and hatred.
Sadly, some will be emboldened by the behaviour of these two and that can, and does, lead to more violence.
This is a chance for the Aussie legal system/police to bring the full force of the law against these two, to send a very clear message to extremists - bring this sh*t to our country and you will be punished, big time. We must be totally intolerant of such cr@p.
I also feel really strongly about this issue, GTC. These religious extremists must learn something about living in our mostly peaceful, tolerant nation - toe the line with our cultural values and enjoy this ripper place, or FO. Our legal system/police force must send a powerful message with the punishment of these two.

Baggers I feel strongly about this because I lost the best neighbours you could ask for because they no longer felt safe in our suburb (they moved far away from here). Businesses in my area have had to pack up and leave because of the anti semitism (death threats) they received. This behaviour  is so Un-Australian it's not funny and yet we take the softly softly approach with them (far too many for my liking in this country actually seem to sympathise with the rat bags). Indeed as you say, toe the line or FO.

Australia seems to get on pretty well with Türkiye, Germany, Japan, Italy, Vietnam and Indonesia, despite having fought wars with all of them for decisive victories, losses, stalemates and truces. 

The difference is that the conflict between Muslim and Jew is a religious and territorial war that has its roots in the arrival of the Sea Peoples in what’s now Palestine/Israel well before the Abrahamic religions evolved.  Jews, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese all share a common genetic lineage that stretches back thousands of years.

Then there’s the long history of anti-Semitism and the imposition of Israel on a Muslim Middle East almost 2,000 years after the Romans expelled them and created the Jewish diaspora.