Next Saturday night. The Meat Pies are playing well. We are not, somewhat off the boil in the last few weeks. It will be interesting to see if we can rise to the occasion.
Next Saturday night. The Meat Pies are playing well. We are not, somewhat off the boil in the last few weeks. It will be interesting to see if we can rise to the occasion.
Actually, the Pies are playing as crap as we are. Don't worry about last night. It's indescribable to tell you how bad the Dockers players, and Collingwood for that matter. The game was a sight to behold in reverse.
If we played like we did today against GWS, as average as it was, we'd still would've won by more than Collingwood did. They couldn't even score a goal in the 3rd qtr against the awful Dockers.
Actually, the Pies are playing as crap as we are. Don't worry about last night. It's indescribable to tell you how bad the Dockers players, and Collingwood for that matter. The game was a sight to behold in reverse.
If we played like we did today against GWS, as average as it was, we'd still would've won by more than Collingwood did. They couldn't even score a goal in the 3rd qtr against the awful Dockers.
Dockers were terrible, wasnt that impressed with Collingwood and this is a very winnable game...
I would like to see some changes
In Buckley Graham DVR
Out Tutt Lamb Sumner
I think the Collingwood people voted with their feet last night: their lowest crowd at the MCG for a LONG time. I didn't see much of the game, but that looks to be a good thing. It was not a high standard contest.
At the moment what worries me is our centre square work: that has not been great. Brodie Grundy normally plays well against us, the exception being earlier this year when Kreuzer really got on top of him. Phillips is on the way back, but is still a work in progress. Then our mids have not been able to show the same result as they did early in the year: we haven't got a lot from our centre clearances since Murphy got injured.
The rest of our line-up is serviceable enough and has been more reliable than Collingwood's. But we really need to find something in the middle. If we can't then we will be flogged.
Surely the MC will bring some pace into this game. Buckley needs to get a gig and DVR should get his chance.
Wont get them at a better time with both Fasolo and Elliott out. Should win if we play near our best.
Be great to knock them over twice in the one year - bloody long time since that has happened.
Imagine Eddie if we get them again - He nearly resigned when we beat them early in the year!
I would like to see some changes
In Buckley Graham DVR
Out Tutt Lamb Sumner
Really?
My personal opinion is if Lamb and Sumner play in VFL their output wouldnt be more than DVR and Graham.. acttually Sumners output would not come close to Graham he is not productive enough. DVR has some weapons and need to bed youngsters in AFL when they reach 20-21
Dockers were terrible, wasnt that impressed with Collingwood and this is a very winnable game...
I'd agree but the conditions were pretty crap, and with a dud crowd it can impact on the way the game is perceived and played so I have to reserve judgment.
But no doubt this is very winnable, the only compulsory change I'd make is Tutt out, DVR or Buckley in, however if there was a Rookie upgrade spot available I'd give Gowers a run. Tutt is a real momentum killer, opposition clubs know they can get him spooked, he had opportunity to clean up GWS players twice Saturday night and short stepped both times. That is not AFL football!
In the ruck it's problematic, if Phillips had played well then Kreuzer would be up for a rest and I'd bring Jones in to let Phillips ruck solo. Jones might not be racking up the numbers but he is offering a physical presence that Kreuzer, Phillips and Gorringe don't. I am sure Kreuzer is carrying an injury, he just isn't the same with his attack on the ball carrier that he would normally be.
I think we can easily go with;
D50
Simpson - Plowman - Docherty
Tuohy - Rowe - Weitering
Mids
Everitt - Cripps - Byrne
F50
Wright - Jones - Walker
Lamb - Casboult - Sumner
On-Ball
Phillips - Gibbs - Curnow
Bench
Kerridge(Utility) - White(Swingman) - Thomas(Utility) - Buckley or DVR(Runners)
Kreuzer(Out) - Tutt(Out)
Jones(In) - Buckley or DVR(In)
I'd be lining Byrne up on Sidebottom, but I suspect Curnow will get the job.
Is Jack Silvagni out of the running though injury?
My personal opinion is if Lamb and Sumner play in VFL their output wouldnt be more than DVR and Graham.. acttually Sumners output would not come close to Graham he is not productive enough. DVR has some weapons and need to bed youngsters in AFL when they reach 20-21
Agree Re DVR, dont entirely agree with Lamb and Sumner as they have been ok for us thus far. Graham has been tried and isn't good enough, especially with BBs game plan, is a top up player at best. Wouldn't be surprised if he is delisted when his current contract is up.
People forget that, although we won some games, the primary objectives for this year is setting standards and player/list development.
We won't be giving guys games JUST because they are young or get a few kicks in the magoos.
Sustained adherence to the tasks set to the players is what matters. People whingeing at the MC for picking Tutt, White, Walker etc need to be directing their disappointment at DVR, Jaksch, Foster, Gowers, Buckley etc for not performing well enough to warrant a call up.
Gorringe only got selected because we had nobody else to ruck.
You should all get used to this because this is what it takes to set standards!
People forget that, although we won some games, the primary objectives for this year is setting standards and player/list development.
We won't be giving guys games JUST because they are young or get a few kicks in the magoos.
Sustained adherence to the tasks set to the players is what matters. People whingeing at the MC for picking Tutt, White, Walker etc need to be directing their disappointment at DVR, Jaksch, Foster, Gowers, Buckley etc for not performing well enough to warrant a call up.
Gorringe only got selected because we had nobody else to ruck.
You should all get used to this because this is what it takes to set standards!
Couldnt agree more.
Is Jack Silvagni out of the running though injury?
Out of the running through not being able to run enough perhaps?
He certainly has the ability but I'm not sure that he has the tank or the four quarter effort yet.
Out of the running through not being able to run enough perhaps?
He certainly has the ability but I'm not sure that he has the tank or the four quarter effort yet.
Still looks a kid out there and at senior level I reckon he might get hurt very quickly....
SOSOS has earnt his spot. Play him. He's running out games ok in the VFL. You play good footy in the VFL week in, week out then you earn your right to play.
People forget that, although we won some games, the primary objectives for this year is setting standards and player/list development.
We won't be giving guys games JUST because they are young or get a few kicks in the magoos.
Sustained adherence to the tasks set to the players is what matters. People whingeing at the MC for picking Tutt, White, Walker etc need to be directing their disappointment at DVR, Jaksch, Foster, Gowers, Buckley etc for not performing well enough to warrant a call up.
Gorringe only got selected because we had nobody else to ruck.
You should all get used to this because this is what it takes to set standards!
Gowers is a rookie, he doesn't get a run regardless, he would have been in the VFL best last weekend.
SOSOS has earnt his spot. Play him. He's running out games ok in the VFL. You play good footy in the VFL week in, week out then you earn your right to play.
SOJ certainly didn't run the game out against Box Hill. It's quite illuminating to stand behind the interchange bench and watch how long it takes players to recover after each stint on the ground.
He wasn't sighted in the first half against Box Hill, a bit like his game on Saturday.
SOJ is a long term proposition and the club should give him time to build his fitness, strength and resilience before he gets a game.
SOJ certainly didn't run the game out against Box Hill. It's quite illuminating to stand behind the interchange bench and watch how long it takes players to recover after each stint on the ground.
He wasn't sighted in the first half against Box Hill, a bit like his game on Saturday.
SOJ is a long term proposition and the club should give him time to build his fitness, strength and resilience before he gets a game.
Wasn't sighted in the first half and didn't run out the game, but kicked 4 goals. How does that work?
If he wasn't sighted in the first half then he obviously did well in the second half given his goal tally. Indicates he's running out a game ok.
He's kicked alot of goals recently, to me he's ready to play or at least be tried at AFL to see where's he's at. Can always put him back to the VFL in a couple of weeks. A run in the seniors can only help him, experience-wise. We have blokes kicking goals in the twos but not picking them.
People forget that, although we won some games, the primary objectives for this year is setting standards and player/list development.
We won't be giving guys games JUST because they are young or get a few kicks in the magoos.
Sustained adherence to the tasks set to the players is what matters. People whingeing at the MC for picking Tutt, White, Walker etc need to be directing their disappointment at DVR, Jaksch, Foster, Gowers, Buckley etc for not performing well enough to warrant a call up.
You should all get used to this because this is what it takes to set standards!
Intelligent and meaningful comment.
Wasn't sighted in the first half and didn't run out the game, but kicked 4 goals. How does that work?
If he wasn't sighted in the first half then he obviously did well in the second half given his goal tally. Indicates he's running out a game ok.
He's kicked alot of goals recently, to me he's ready to play or at least be tried at AFL to see where's he's at. Can always put him back to the VFL in a couple of weeks. A run in the seniors can only help him, experience-wise. We have blokes kicking goals in the twos but not picking them.
SOJ plays in bursts and spends a lot of time recovering on the bench. I don't think we can cover that at AFL level.
People forget that, although we won some games, the primary objectives for this year is setting standards and player/list development.
We won't be giving guys games JUST because they are young or get a few kicks in the magoos.
Sustained adherence to the tasks set to the players is what matters. People whingeing at the MC for picking Tutt, White, Walker etc need to be directing their disappointment at DVR, Jaksch, Foster, Gowers, Buckley etc for not performing well enough to warrant a call up.
Gorringe only got selected because we had nobody else to ruck.
You should all get used to this because this is what it takes to set standards!
This
People forget that, although we won some games, the primary objectives for this year is setting standards and player/list development.
We won't be giving guys games JUST because they are young or get a few kicks in the magoos.
Sustained adherence to the tasks set to the players is what matters. People whingeing at the MC for picking Tutt, White, Walker etc need to be directing their disappointment at DVR, Jaksch, Foster, Gowers, Buckley etc for not performing well enough to warrant a call up.
Gorringe only got selected because we had nobody else to ruck.
You should all get used to this because this is what it takes to set standards!
Yep. We are still sorting the sheep from the goats. If we can at the same time manage a respectable number of wins all to the good as it will help create the foundations of the culture we need to be established.
People forget that, although we won some games, the primary objectives for this year is setting standards and player/list development.
We won't be giving guys games JUST because they are young or get a few kicks in the magoos.
Sustained adherence to the tasks set to the players is what matters. People whingeing at the MC for picking Tutt, White, Walker etc need to be directing their disappointment at DVR, Jaksch, Foster, Gowers, Buckley etc for not performing well enough to warrant a call up.
Gorringe only got selected because we had nobody else to ruck.
You should all get used to this because this is what it takes to set standards!
The best post I've seen on here for a long time cimm.
Well done !!!
Set the standards and stick to them.
People forget that, although we won some games, the primary objectives for this year is setting standards and player/list development.
We won't be giving guys games JUST because they are young or get a few kicks in the magoos.
Sustained adherence to the tasks set to the players is what matters. People whingeing at the MC for picking Tutt, White, Walker etc need to be directing their disappointment at DVR, Jaksch, Foster, Gowers, Buckley etc for not performing well enough to warrant a call up.
Gorringe only got selected because we had nobody else to ruck.
You should all get used to this because this is what it takes to set standards!
Tend to agree as well, I think Jaksch has Corey Mckeranan itis , SOS moved him on previously , and the next year there he is again at the new club, and hasnt had a run?? Really disappointed in him this year certainly hasnt moved forward. Kicking a few in the NB's isnt a true guide at times. The rest , really DVR ? Why ? Again hampered by the fact in Melb, but no reports really give him the nod. Rather see Gowers , Foster get a run rather than recyle the others again.
The best post I've seen on here for a long time cimm.
Well done !!!
Set the standards and stick to them.
The only part I don't agree with is Gowers, I am assuming cimm1979 has the wrong player or name.
Setting a platform
Bill Gowers: Following a slow start to the season, the second-year Carlton rookie has benefited from a move to the half-back line to be one of the Blues’ best performers in their last three wins. Gowers has averaged over 22 disposals since the positional change and put in arguably his best performance of the last two seasons against Box Hill. He will be hopeful of maintaining his positive form in the second half of the season as the Blues look to build on their positive momentum.
Rnd 10.
38. Billy Gowers
Stats: 27 disposals, 10 marks, 5 inside 50s, 8 handball receives
From the coach: It was a really good game from Billy. He swept up just about everything that came into the defensive half of the ground. He provided some good run-and-carry, was strong in the air and used the ball well.
Seriously, people not voting from a stats sheet would have had him among our best last game(Rnd 12) as well.
I think under the MM regime they were trying to turn him into a Mid/Fwd, but he lacked the agility and awareness in traffic. Not sure how big he is now, his arrival stats showed 186cm, but I'd suggest he is closer to 190cm now and looks like he can hold down a flank. He has a great ability to read the ball and play, his recent games remind me of the way Docherty was in his early games.
His only problem is do we already have too many of the type that can play the flank role, Tuohy, Docherty, Simmo, Byrne, Walker, Lamb, Sumner, Graham, Kerridge, Curnow, Gibbs, etc., etc..
The only part I don't agree with is Gowers, I am assuming cimm1979 has the wrong player or name.
Seriously, people not voting from a stats sheet would have had him among our best last game(Rnd 12) as well.
I think under the MM regime they were trying to turn him into a Mid/Fwd, but he lacked the agility and awareness in traffic. Not sure how big he is now, his arrival stats showed 186cm, but I'd suggest he is closer to 190cm now and looks like he can hold down a flank. He has a great ability to read the ball and play, his recent games remind me of the way Docherty was in his early games.
His only problem is do we already have too many of the type that can play the flank role, Tuohy, Docherty, Simmo, Byrne, Walker, Lamb, Sumner, Graham, Kerridge, Curnow, Gibbs, etc., etc..
Gowers certainly looks bigger than 186cm and 83kg. I think he has bulked up (against the trend) and plays taller.
I was very impressed with him against the Hawks and he continued that form against Sandringham. What I like about him is his willingness to take the game on. He got pinged for running too far but, apart from forgetting to bounce the ball, showed a willingness top back himself in. I suspect that he does have a future as an AFL player.
Of course, he's a rookie and can't get a game and, as you point out, he has lots of competition for a half back position.
I guess Cimm's point is that Gowers should have forced his way into a nominated rookie position so he could contest for a spot in the 22.
I guess Cimm's point is that Gowers should have forced his way into a nominated rookie position so he could contest for a spot in the 22.
I couldn't see anyone forcing either of the Ciaran's out of the nom-rookie spots.
Gowers certainly looks bigger than 186cm and 83kg. I think he has bulked up (against the trend) and plays taller.
I was very impressed with him against the Hawks and he continued that form against Sandringham. What I like about him is his willingness to take the game on. He got pinged for running too far but, apart from forgetting to bounce the ball, showed a willingness top back himself in. I suspect that he does have a future as an AFL player.
Of course, he's a rookie and can't get a game and, as you point out, he has lots of competition for a half back position.
I guess Cimm's point is that Gowers should have forced his way into a nominated rookie position so he could contest for a spot in the 22.
TBH DJC I put Gowers in as he was just another player who, until recently, hadn't done a lot. He might turn into being a ripper or a spud.
The point of the post was to, hopefully, encourage people to look past selections as week to week propositions and focus on the overall strategy the club appears to be trying to implement. People say "why Tutt?, why White? they are not the future" when they should be asking "when will player x,y or z be ready?"
That LP got caught up on this one player isn't surprising. Big picture isn't really his thing.
That LP got caught up on this one player isn't surprising. Big picture isn't really his thing.
I've always fail to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I'll take a leaf from your example and try to get it right next time! ;) :D
Is Jack Silvagni out of the running though injury?
I wouldn't have thought so.
Did his ankle, but came back on and didn't seem in any discomfort.
Play him i say.
It'll be a cold night this saturday, reckon we'll see a Silvagni in long sleeves run out on the 'G for the first time in a long time.
now that big H and charlie are back it could prove beneficial if they build a synergy together in the VFL
Anyone actually going to the game?
It will be my 1st time to the MCG in nearly 20 years !!
I wouldn't have thought so.
Did his ankle, but came back on and didn't seem in any discomfort.
Play him i say.
It'll be a cold night this saturday, reckon we'll see a Silvagni in long sleeves run out on the 'G for the first time in a long time.
Didn't Watson as a raw young recruit debut v. The Pies? On Cloke. Never got over it. Still, give young Jack the lad a run eh.
Anyone actually going to the game?
It will be my 1st time to the MCG in nearly 20 years !!
Did we win last time you went ??
Anyone actually going to the game?
It will be my 1st time to the MCG in nearly 20 years !!
Got a ticket, not sure whether I'll go or not yet. Sat night on the couch with a few glasses of red looks more like it atm.
Got a ticket, not sure whether I'll go or not yet. Sat night on the couch with a few glasses of red looks more like it atm.
I'd come over and watch it with you, but driving home after a couple of reds isn't a good look ;)
I'd come over and watch it with you, but driving home after a couple of reds isn't a good look ;)
Those carefree DUI times behind the wheel days are gone I guess :(
(Only joking)
Anyone actually going to the game?
It will be my 1st time to the MCG in nearly 20 years !!
My next one is v Crows!
Hope you see the boys put on a show this weekend and you get to scream your lungs out with elation.
that is when we come away with our 7th for the season. Have a ball Amers. Give the boys a big cheer for me
Go Blues
Gowers and DVR need to play more than 4 or 5 good games to warrant a crack at the AFL IMHO. I am rapt they are showing something, really happy fro that, but they need to push hard to the selectors so that they simply cannot be ignored. They are making inroads!
Gowers and DVR need to play more than 4 or 5 good games to warrant a crack at the AFL IMHO. I am rapt they are showing something, really happy fro that, but they need to push hard to the selectors so that they simply cannot be ignored. They are making inroads!
Couldn't agree more.
DVR has also got to show consistency of intensity and stop going missing for periods of the game. Billy boy has been consistent in that area for a good month now and only needs to focus on better disposal.
Couldn't agree more.
DVR has also got to show consistency of intensity and stop going missing for periods of the game. Billy boy has been consistent in that area for a good month now and only needs to focus on better disposal.
Agreed, but I worry that giving Tutt a game ahead of them sets a very bad example to the youth.
Agreed, but I worry that giving Tutt a game ahead of them sets a very bad example to the youth.
I have the opposite view. Tutt has worked his butt and was rewarded for it. That is a great example for the younger players to follow.
There's nothing wrong with making the young blokes:
a. earn it
b. show some desperation and hunger
c. show some fight and dirt
If they want it bad enough, they'll get there.
If they are up to it (not talent wise as they all have it), they'll get there.
Guys like:
- Graham
- Buckley
- Jaksch
- DVR
- Gowers
There's obviously something(s) missing with these blokes that BB and co don't see, or haven't seen enough of, for long enough.
There's nothing wrong with making the young blokes:
a. earn it
b. show some desperation and hunger
c. show some fight and crape
If they want it bad enough, they'll get there.
If they are up to it (not talent wise as they all have it), they'll get there.
Guys like:
- Graham
- Buckley
- Jaksch
- DVR
- Gowers
There's obviously something(s) missing with these blokes that BB and co don't see, or haven't seen enough of, for long enough.
I agree. Wallsy was on SEN earlier saying that anyone given a senior game should stay there for at least 4 weeks to prove themselves, even if they make a few mistakes, as long as their attitude and endeavour are right. I guess if that's the case you have to make extra sure that the right people get selected in the first place.
Did we win last time you went ??
There is a good chance! I used to mostly go to Essendone v Carlton games and I have never seen Carlton lose to the Bombers at the 'G!
I have seen us lose to Richmond and the Demons of all teams there though. :(
My next one is v Crows!
Hope you see the boys put on a show this weekend and you get to scream your lungs out with elation.
that is when we come away with our 7th for the season. Have a ball Amers. Give the boys a big cheer for me
Go Blues
Cheers LN, I'm sure I will be doing plenty of cheering!
I have the opposite view. Tutt has worked his butt and was rewarded for it. That is a great example for the younger players to follow.
He takes short steps and sells team-mates into trouble, that is a very, very, very bad example.
He takes short steps and sells team-mates into trouble, that is a very, very, very bad example.
I don't think that Tutt has the ability to succeed at AFL level but he has been outstanding in the VFL. He must appreciate the little bit of extra time because there are no short steps and his decision making and execution have been good.
As one of the most consistent and and better performing players in the NBs, Tutt deserved an opportunity in the seniors. That he didn't make the most of it is another issue. However, giving under-performing players a shot before him on the basis of their youth would be sending a very, very, very bad message.
However, giving under-performing players a shot before him on the basis of their youth would be sending a very, very, very bad message.
I don't believe under-performing is the same as inconsistency, I accept the younger players have consistency problems, but when they play well they play well and labeling them under-performing is a bit unfair.
Tutt has been gathering 30+ possession games for most of the season, that gets him some attention, but the defects in his game are the very same defects he had at the Bulldogs before he came to Carlton. Nothing has changed! At AFL level where he has no significant advantage the opposition expose his foibles within minutes. If there were no short steps from Tutt in those VFL games you have watched, he sure made up for it in his last AFL match! ;)
I don't think that Tutt has the ability to succeed at AFL level but he has been outstanding in the VFL. He must appreciate the little bit of extra time because there are no short steps and his decision making and execution have been good.
As one of the most consistent and and better performing players in the NBs, Tutt deserved an opportunity in the seniors. That he didn't make the most of it is another issue. However, giving under-performing players a shot before him on the basis of their youth would be sending a very, very, very bad message.
THIS!
The club have been very good with selections this year. They support the team vision and the logic can't be faulted.
But of course the methodology doesn't guarantee wins, otherwise we'd have #17 in the bag.
THIS!
But of course the methodology doesn't guarantee wins, otherwise we'd have #17 in the bag.
Another negative nelly.. :)
THIS!
The club have been very good with selections this year. They support the team vision and the logic can't be faulted.
But of course the methodology doesn't guarantee wins, otherwise we'd have #17 in the bag.
It's all part of "driving culture and values" as Bolton would say.
Any chance of Murph being back?
Also game number 200 for 1AW !!
Any chance of Murph being back?
Also game number 200 for 1AW !!
Injury Update on the website says still 3 weeks away.
Murphy 'At least 3 weeks away'. At what stage do we call 'SEASON'?
Murphy 'At least 3 weeks away'. At what stage do we call 'SEASON'?
Probably not that far away, which is a pity. We certainly miss him. Our midfield is not the same without him.
Probably not that far away, which is a pity. We certainly miss him. Our midfield is not the same without him.
Agree 100%.
this is why we have to keep our draft picks and recruit mids (quick)in this year draft.
Instagram page "aflcentral" running with a picture of SOS saying he will make his debut against the Filth on Sat night. Hmmm, intersting. Dunno what info they have given teams dont come out until 6.30pm.
Is that Instagram page even remotely legit?
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-blues-captain-marc-murphy-believes-jack-silvagni-is-ready-for-debut-20160630-gpv5jj.html
Well Murph thinks that Jack is ready - maybe some legs to this story?
I predicted before the Saints game that they would wait till a home game to play him if his form continued. Thought I read he was injured last week though?
It's everywhere now. He's playing.
It's everywhere now. He's playing.
If he's ready and available then great - look forward to seeing him.
HS running with it saying "The Herald Sun has confirmed the 18-year-old will be named in the team to face the Magpies after good form in the VFL as a goalkicking forward."
Ready or not, here he comes!
SOJ has already been an emergency hasn't he?
From watching "the Journey" last night, it seems that being named as an emergency is done to help with the transition to seniors.
Romantic isn't it. Carlton royalty making his debut against the sworn enemy at the home of football on a Saturday night!
Let's hope he's in because he's mentally and physically ready, he has the correct match up and is part of the right forward combination to exploit the Collingwood back.
NOT a marketing ploy to get 10,000 more supporters to a potentially large gate game.
Just wondering, why all the questions about SOS (is he ready physically, is he ready mentally, etc) and none about C Curnow when he was selected early on?
Just wondering, why all the questions about SOS (is he ready physically, is he ready mentally, etc) and none about C Curnow when he was selected early on?
I certainly had questions, but Curnow answered them as best he could. The other thing was that Curnow is that much older the SOJ and went through a lot more of the pre-season.
I also think that there were a lot less expectations riding on Charlie's shoulders. We were expected to be ordinary and the idea of blooding kids was high on the agenda. He was a high pick and supposedly 'more ready'.
After his driving escapade, that piece of wisdom was certainly proved to be dubious.
No, I think simply that there were fewer expectations on him. We were expected to try out youngsters while we were losing. Instead we are competitive most weeks and a lot closer to finals' contention than anyone could have imagined. Our recruiters have been hailed as genius candidates for what they have done, and our coaching staff have been hailed similarly. Now the idea of simply blooding kids for the sake of trying them out looks unreasonable. Into this situation comes a young kid who was not expected to play this year with a famous name and 550 games of brilliance weighing on his shoulders.
Funny thing this football. The 'facts' seem irrelevant: it is how we look at then that counts.
@Crash Fair reply as usual. At the end of the day, every bloke on the list has KPIs to meet, if they do that and there is a spot, they play. Its that simple. Smaller more fragile blokes that SOS have played AFL, if they think he's ready to go I trust their judgement. What will be important is that his team mates look after him. Like BB told the boys rnd one when JW made his debut, he told them to "look after him", and they did (not that he needed it).
Wonder if Jaksch or Jones will get a recall? If not and Jack gets a gig their futures with us take another hit.
Curnow is almost 12 months older, played a lot more football in the past 18 months and wasn't coming off significant shoulder injury. Plus all the other reasons mentioned previously.
Just wondering, why all the questions about SOS (is he ready physically, is he ready mentally, etc) and none about C Curnow when he was selected early on?
Charlie is 8 months older and SOJ missed a fair bit of last season with his shoulder injury.
I don't think there are any issues with his capacity to cope with the pressure and physicality; he showed enough in the NAB game against Essendon and in the VFL games I've seen to suggest that he'll deal with any crape that comes his way.
My only concern was about his fitness but, if the club says he's ready, then he's ready.
CFC website teasing with this
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-06-30/the-silvagni-story-continues
Its official, SOS In Tutt Out. Good luck young man.
You will be fine Jack...just play with your usual class.
MCC which is usually accurate predicts 48,000. Surely more Carlton fans will turn up now.
if we're both in top 8 i would expect 60-70k
but looking at both teams 50k would be a fair result
Carlton
B: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Zach Tuohy.
HB: Dale Thomas, Sam Rowe, Ciaran Byrne.
C: Sam Docherty, Bryce Gibbs, Ed Curnow.
HF: Andrejs Everitt, Simon White, Sam Kerridge.
F: Jack Silvagni, Levi Casboult, Matthew Wright.
Foll: Andrew Phillips, Patrick Cripps, Jed Lamb.
Int: Matthew Kreuzer, Lachie Plowman, Andrew Walker, Liam Sumner.
Emg: Dylan Buckley, Jason Tutt, Mark Whiley.
In: Jack Silvagni.
Out: Jason Tutt (Omitted)
New: Jack Silvagni
Collingwood
B: Tyson Goldsack, Nathan J. Brown, Jeremy Howe.
HB: Marley Williams, Ben Reid, Ben Sinclair.
C: Steele Sidebottom, Adam Treloar, James Aish.
HF: Jordan De Goey, Travis Cloke, Travis Varcoe.
F: Darcy Moore, Mason Cox, Jarryd Blair.
Foll: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Jack Crisp.
Int: Levi Greenwood, Tom Phillips, Brayden Maynard, Josh Smith.
Emg: Brent Macaffer, Jesse White, Jarrod Witts.
In: Tyson Goldsack, Darcy Moore.
Out: Jonathon Marsh (Calf), Jesse White (Omitted)
I would be very disappointed if we did not get 50 000 people. But that is me.
Pies are a big side, might stretch us at both ends.
Geelong played a ridiculously tall team against us. Didn't work out for them.
Club doing their best to lower expectations:
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-06-30/silvagni-mark-iii-seals-deal-on-a-football-dynasty
NOT!
Great video though. The SOS highlights were awesome - Serg not much of a technician with the kicking.
Club doing their best to lower expectations:
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-06-30/silvagni-mark-iii-seals-deal-on-a-football-dynasty
NOT!
Great video though. The SOS highlights were awesome - Serg not much of a technician with the kicking.
No, Serg wouldn't have a chance of being drafted these days, despite his ability to get the pill. His flat punts seemed to sail through the goalposts fairly regularly though.
MCC which is usually accurate predicts 48,000. Surely more Carlton fans will turn up now.
First time we played them this year the MCC predicted 53,000 and then 60,000 turned up on the day......my sister is good friends with Stephen Gough's PA - we ran into her on the day of the game (as we were sitting in the MCC) and she said that they experienced a late rush on tickets once the weather was forecasted to be good on gameday.....so I would suggest the same thing will happen this time around with A) the weather expected to be good & now B) Jack's inclusion......
I've already had about half-a-dozen Carlton supporters (who haven't been regular attendees this year) wanting to attend purely based on the 'Jack Factor'. It's the perfect game for us to introduce him onto the AFL stage.....gonna be a special moment, can't wait.
No, Serg wouldn't have a chance of being drafted these days, despite his ability to get the pill. His flat punts seemed to sail through the goalposts fairly regularly though.
I remember Rodney Eade a while back stating quite emphatically that most of the guys he played with wouldn't get a game these days.
Its official, SOS In Tutt Out. Good luck young man.
:)) :)) :)) and that's all I have to say..
I remember Rodney Eade a while back stating quite emphatically that most of the guys he played with wouldn't get a game these days.
Imagine how good they'd be with today's fitness and training regimes
I remember John Nicholls being asked how he'd go against the two metre ruckmen and he said it would take him about ten minutes to work out how to beat each one. Of course, the current ruck contest rules would eliminate most of his ruck tactics.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when SOS was told he was in. If the reaction to being drafted was any indication, this would have been a ripper. I, as are many of my friends, are very excited about this this debut. Its like the arrival of a new child for the Carlton family. As many have said, the Silvagni family is Carlton royalty and the linage continues tomorrow. Lets not put too much expectation on the kid, if he makes a contribution and plays the role the coaches ask of him, thats all we can ask. Mind you, if he kicks a little bag I wont complain. ;D
Go Blues.
Pies are a big side, might stretch us at both ends.
Speed has killed us this year.
We've been competitive against the slower sides except Norf.
The faster teams such as
Dogs
Saints
GWS
GC (when they were up)
Sydney
All to quick for us and the they won easily.
Speed has killed us this year.
We've been competitive against the slower sides except Norf.
The faster teams such as
Dogs
Saints
GWS
GC (when they were up)
Sydney
All to quick for us and the they won easily.
100% correct Cimm.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when SOS was told he was in. If the reaction to being drafted was any indication, this would have been a ripper. I, as are many of my friends, are very excited about this this debut. Its like the arrival of a new child for the Carlton family. As many have said, the Silvagni family is Carlton royalty and the linage continues tomorrow. Lets not put too much expectation on the kid, if he makes a contribution and plays the role the coaches ask of him, thats all we can ask. Mind you, if he kicks a little bag I wont complain. ;D
Go Blues.
Wait for the next episode of "the Journey" :)
He will have gone pretty well if he gets 10-12 possessions, lays a couple of tackles . . . and scores a goal with his first kick ;)
Its official, SOS In Tutt Out. Good luck young man.
My teenage daughter went crazy when she heard he was in. (Cripps aside) SOS is all her and her Blue supporter friends talk about.
This guy will be a massive favorite of all the younger fans. Will be great for our PR and Membership if he can hold his spot.
Good luck to him hope he can snag one early.
So how do we think this one is likely to pan out for SOS first game. What role do we see him performing?
For mine, I think the best way to integrate SOS into our team, is to have him playing the sort of role that Jed Lamb has been playing up to this point.
A faux full forward behind Casboult playing pretty close to goals, which should see him maximise his limited fitness, as well as show some of the nous that has got him into the side.
Lamb to play more on ball, and high half forward/defensive forward on the rebounding types and that kind of works because although he doesnt have express pace, he is not slow, can find the footy (averaging roughly 20 possies a game) and has been doing more midfield work as the season has worn on.
It makes this game much more interesting than it would have been and to be honest it was already pretty interesting given its a match against the old firm and they are travelling about as well as we are for different reasons.
To be honest, these guys are not playing for their coach, so I fully anticipate us being able to win this game although the SOS inclusion might put a bit of feeling into it for them. They might decide to try and rain on our parade, but Buckley wasnt one of those players, and I fully expect him to try and take the sense of occasion out of it, and just get on with it.
So how do we think this one is likely to pan out for SOS first game. What role do we see him performing?
For mine, I think the best way to integrate SOS into our team, is to have him playing the sort of role that Jed Lamb has been playing up to this point.
A faux full forward behind Casboult playing pretty close to goals, which should see him maximise his limited fitness, as well as show some of the nous that has got him into the side.
Lamb to play more on ball, and high half forward/defensive forward on the rebounding types and that kind of works because although he doesnt have express pace, he is not slow, can find the footy (averaging roughly 20 possies a game) and has been doing more midfield work as the season has worn on.
Just in case Bolton's not on the same page, can you email that to him?
Let's be honest, our recent form has been pretty ordinary. I'm not sure we have gotten selection right in the past few weeks... we look shallow in the midfield (we miss Murphy) and scoring has dried up. Hopefully we haven't peaked.
Collingwood's team (on paper) is not too bad... they have regained a few players in recent weeks.
I think it will be a close game... not sure we will win.
@ Thry
I think what you've suggested, or something close, is what will happen. We won't throw him into a key pressure role first up.
100% correct Cimm.
The next question is " how quick are the Pies and can we get our share of centre clearances?"
Can you imagine to collective orgasm from Carlton fans when Jack kicks his first goal.
It ll be like an exploding custard factory lol
That moment requires McAvaney commentary lol :P
Now I'm REALLY looking forward to going to this game !!
Jack's debut and 1AW's 200th make a nice double, here's hoping the boys are up and about and can get the win to help make it even more memorable !!
Just got a text from Bolts!!! Memo Brendan: Don't worry about contacting me, concentrate on getting the boys up!! ????
Me too.
A very specific number of posters are available tomorrow at the ground. 1893 or something.
Perhaps thats how many members we want for the rest of the year?
I was thinking of watching the game on TV but I may have to answer Bolt's call now - unless the weather is atrocious :)
Re the speed thingy... we have no amigos!
And this SOJ thingy... can't wait to hear the roar of the crowd every time he goes near the ball. Ala one of the amigos, Eddie.
Me too.
A very specific number of posters are available tomorrow at the ground. 1893 or something.
Perhaps thats how many members we want for the rest of the year?
Pretty sure it is 1864....a significant number for the Carlton Football Club. ;)
Can you imagine to collective orgasm from Carlton fans when Jack kicks his first goal.
It ll be like an exploding custard factory lol
That moment requires McAvaney commentary lol :P
The winner, after the siren, tight on the boundary, 50m out on the wrong side for a right footer.
Pretty sure it is 1864....a significant number for the Carlton Football Club. ;)
I suppose that makes more sense. Lol.
I deleted the text.
Just watched that classic game v The filth they have on the CFC website.
How much straighter did we look with Fevola running out from FF. Those who say traditional FF are no longer needed just need to watch that.
Break out of the backline a couple of handballs then a pass to a leading forward on the 50. Then BANG. How straight was his kicking, you forget just how good he was.
His set shot kicking was a little wayward early on - it was very reliable in his middle and later career - he definitely evolved into a beautiful set shot.
The problem, as I see it, is three fold :
1. Good Fev / Bad Fev
2. His level of quality was so high in the end, that he was / is very difficult to replace.
3. We became a little lazy and relied on him too much - so in the early days, when he was well held, we had no other decent options - this changed a little with Eddie etc., but by the time they really came on, Fev was gone.
EDIT : And I should also add, somewhat paradoxically, that we became more potent and less predictable in attack once he left, and possibly also had higher average scores, although I'd need to confirm that before stating it as fact.
That Ratts, he was some coach - did a great job re configuring our forward line for the post Fev era.
Just watched that classic game v The filth they have on the CFC website.
How much straighter did we look with Fevola running out from FF. Those who say traditional FF are no longer needed just need to watch that.
Break out of the backline a couple of handballs then a pass to a leading forward on the 50. Then BANG. How straight was his kicking, you forget just how good he was.
Fev would still be potent today if he had been playing at senior level. He had an excellent combination of traits: enough pace to break contact more often than not, a kick that was a weapon from outside 50 m, the self belief that he could do the job, the ability to win the ball on the ground as well as in the air and a nice pair of hands. An open forward 50 and a couple of smart smalls running down to assist (not to mention getting the ball out of the centre!) and we look a different setup.
Our problems in the day were considerable: lack of skill to get it to him and too much focus on Fev with too few alternatives are the ones that stick out to me.
We did do a very good job of covering Fev when he left, but Ratten never really had the cattle to be a real contender (no matter what the club thought). But a rampart Fev would still kick 50 goals per season today at 34. What a pity he couldn't hold his life together.
Just watched that classic game v The filth they have on the CFC website.
How much straighter did we look with Fevola running out from FF. Those who say traditional FF are no longer needed just need to watch that.
Break out of the backline a couple of handballs then a pass to a leading forward on the 50. Then BANG. How straight was his kicking, you forget just how good he was.
That's one of my favourite games... ended a massive losing streak following the Pagan era, close to the absolute low point for the club.
Pretty sure Fev played on Harry O? One of his better games... when he was good he was very,very good.
Just watched the silvagni video, brought a tear to the eye. Again.
Hoping to see Gibba looking a lot more like the 2008 version next year.
Just watched that classic game v The filth they have on the CFC website.
How much straighter did we look with Fevola running out from FF. Those who say traditional FF are no longer needed just need to watch that.
Break out of the backline a couple of handballs then a pass to a leading forward on the 50. Then BANG. How straight was his kicking, you forget just how good he was.
Watch the same thing today , similar thoughts, when you compare some vision from back in those day today, we really labour for goals at times. Nice to see the skills , the long goals were great to see as well. Hope we can find another dominant forward in the future.
About time Casboult took hold of a game...
About time Casboult took hold of a game...
Perfect weather for it, not too cold, not damp, perfect football conditions.
If you look through our team, how many of them currently or even in the past have a reputation of being able to "take a game on" Murphy has , Gibbs has, maybe Simmo, but after that The old Daisey for sure, we have a good bunch of battlers who play above them selves at times , but none that grab a game by the neck ala Kernas , Whitnall, SOS , Fev, they demanded the ball and bought others into,the game. The last one on our list to do that was Waite
The current crop are being groomed as the ultimate team players , and great in theory, but look at the top teams , they have that and the dominat players because if the team miss fires there is a go to situation where the individuals can lead and rekindle the fire.