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Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #120
On the Brock McLean discussion, there is a massive factor that all parties have failed to consider.

Brock's requested wages vs ellard.

Don't anyone tell me that Brock would have played for even close to similar dollars as ellard and before I hear daisy's name, it's becoming more apparent to me that we had a bunch of hired guns leave us, for not remarkable differences and we're setting the wrong standards.

Daisy might not have earned his wage but no one can tell me he hasn't tried to.

Remember that Brock had agreed to terms with the club before he went overseas.  It wasn't dollars that cost him his spot, it was creating a place on the list for Jason Tutt  ::)
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #121
In a McLean vs ellard discussion that doesn't matter.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #122
In a McLean vs ellard discussion that doesn't matter.

It does when you intimate that Davey Ellard was preferred over Brock because the latter was on more coin.  The fact that the club had agreed to terms with Brock suggests that money wasn't an issue. 

Anyway, why is this an issue in the post game thread? 
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #123
Remember that Brock had agreed to terms with the club before he went overseas.  It wasn't dollars that cost him his spot, it was creating a place on the list for Jason Tutt  ::)

And there's one of the reasons we spent so long in the dunny.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #124
And there's one of the reasons we spent so long in the dunny.

Do you remember before we recruited Tutt one of the assessments by those in charge was that we had too many introverts, so their answer to that problem was to recruit a mouse!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #125
i was over from Perth for Work and stayed to head to the G.

Imagine being 18 years old and as good as Footy as SPS is. I have seen 2 perfromances live that have stuck with me. One was Chris Judd playing against us at Subiaco and SPS on Saturday. A star was born today.

But he does the little things as well. Harasses on the marks, makes a mistake and attacks the next contest to make Amends, always trying to hi five hi teammates and dap them.

My Word... I cannot state the game that kid had.

"We are a club in a hurry"

#united #reset

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #126
i was over from Perth for Work and stayed to head to the G.

Imagine being 18 years old and as good as Footy as SPS is. I have seen 2 perfromances live that have stuck with me. One was Chris Judd playing against us at Subiaco and SPS on Saturday. A star was born today.

But he does the little things as well. Harasses on the marks, makes a mistake and attacks the next contest to make Amends, always trying to hi five hi teammates and dap them.

My Word... I cannot state the game that kid had.

Yep, it's why I think MiniJudd is such a great nickname for this kid!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #127
Do you remember before we recruited Tutt one of the assessments by those in charge was that we had too many introverts, so their answer to that problem was to recruit a mouse!

I remember a few years ago when we decided that due to our repeated draft busts we needed players of a certain age range, so we recruited them whether they could play or not, Tutt was probably one of them.
It's been a comedy of errors which is why I'm struggling to believe that we might finally be getting it right.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #128
Yep, it's why I think MiniJudd is such a great nickname for this kid!

And he's a bloody fierce tackler!
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #129
Do you remember before we recruited Tutt one of the assessments by those in charge was that we had too many introverts, so their answer to that problem was to recruit a mouse!
:)) :)) :)) :))
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #130
i was over from Perth for Work and stayed to head to the G.

Imagine being 18 years old and as good as Footy as SPS is. I have seen 2 perfromances live that have stuck with me. One was Chris Judd playing against us at Subiaco and SPS on Saturday. A star was born today.

But he does the little things as well. Harasses on the marks, makes a mistake and attacks the next contest to make Amends, always trying to hi five hi teammates and dap them.

My Word... I cannot state the game that kid had.

Agree, all the attacking things were great, but he ran harder defensively than any other player.
Ran past Bryce numerous times....

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #131
i was over from Perth for Work and stayed to head to the G.

Imagine being 18 years old and as good as Footy as SPS is. I have seen 2 perfromances live that have stuck with me. One was Chris Judd playing against us at Subiaco and SPS on Saturday. A star was born today.

But he does the little things as well. Harasses on the marks, makes a mistake and attacks the next contest to make Amends, always trying to hi five hi teammates and dap them.

My Word... I cannot state the game that kid had.
This stands out with him for me also. He just doesnt give up, when he makes a blue, its like he is annoyed with himself, sees red and goes hard at the next context. He is indeed special and we havent seen anything yet. Scary.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #132
And he's a bloody fierce tackler!
29 for the year, look at the names and experience around him. Impressive.
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   7   46
2   Patrick Cripps   7   42
3   Bryce Gibbs   7   40
4   Marc Murphy   7   37
5   Matthew Kreuzer   6   35
6   Sam Petrevski-Seton   7   29
7   Kade Simpson   7   28
8   Matthew Wright   7   20
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #133
29 for the year, look at the names and experience around him. Impressive.
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   7   46
2   Patrick Cripps   7   42
3   Bryce Gibbs   7   40
4   Marc Murphy   7   37
5   Matthew Kreuzer   6   35
6   Sam Petrevski-Seton   7   29
7   Kade Simpson   7   28
8   Matthew Wright   7   20

When I look at the tackle numbers I think what they might have been at this point 3 years ago (in the middle of the Malthouse Era). I would put money on Gibbs and Murphy NOT being in our top 4. Simo probably would have been in the top 10, and probably Ed Curnow, but that would be about it.
This sort of data shows some of development done in the Bolton administration.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #134
When I look at the tackle numbers I think what they might have been at this point 3 years ago (in the middle of the Malthouse Era). I would put money on Gibbs and Murphy NOT being in our top 4. Simo probably would have been in the top 10, and probably Ed Curnow, but that would be about it.
This sort of data shows some of development done in the Bolton administration.
Tackle stats in 2013/14/15.
2013
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   21   99
2   Mitch Robinson   21   82
3   Marc Murphy   23   79
4   Brock McLean   22   77
5   Christopher Yarran   21   76
5   Jeff Garlett   22   76
7   Bryce Gibbs   21   75
8   Matthew Kreuzer   17   71
9   Jaryd Cachia   14   68
9   Chris Judd   20   68

2014
1   Bryce Gibbs   22   108
2   Marc Murphy   20   99
3   Andrew Carrazzo   14   86
4   Edward Curnow   15   74
5   David Ellard   13   62
6   Dale Thomas   20   57
7   Kade Simpson   22   52
8   Brock McLean   16   49
8   Mitch Robinson   12   49
10   Christopher Yarran   21   47

2015
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   22   98
1   Patrick Cripps   20   98
3   Tom Bell   22   87
4   Marc Murphy   19   65
5   Andrew Carrazzo   16   63
6   Matthew Kreuzer   13   55
7   Bryce Gibbs   10   54
8   Sam Rowe   20   43
9   Kade Simpson   20   42
10   Sam Docherty   19   40

2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time