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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #330 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Just out of curiosity who was the sole ruck for those wins against the top 6 sides last year?
FYI:
Vs Fremantle (top 6) was a win. TDK sole ruck.
13 touches, 4 marks, 22 hitouts was the reason we won that game right?
15 touches, 1 mark, 35 hitouts from Sean Darcy

Fun Fact...
Fisher had 29 disposals
LOB had 19 and kicked 2 goals.


vs Sydney (top 6) was a win. TDK sole ruck.
TDK - 12 touches (5 clangers), 5 marks (4 contested), 23 hitouts and a goal....one of his best games for us.
for Sydney...
Hickey - 12 touches, 4 marks, 14 hitouts
Ladhams - 12 touches, 10 hitouts.

Fisher had 18 and kicked 2 goals.
LOB had 17.

So who is helping us win these games?

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #331 –
I actually thought the Freo match was the best performance of his career considering who he was up against.

Members here thought he went okay too.

https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=6010.0
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #332 –
We also beat the 7th and 8th teams last year with both rucks playing for those at home who might have been misled by the middle 6 argument.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #333 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
We also beat the 7th and 8th teams last year with both rucks playing for those at home who might have been misled by the middle 6 argument.

Should i check how well Fisher and LOB went in those games too?

Your argument is bunk.

1 ruck or 2 rucks means SFA.
Strength of opposition is king. Nothing more, nothing less.

The fact you wanted me to do 2022 to prove your point.....which ended up backfiring on you and showed the exact opposite should be end of discussion....but no. You are still clinging to some hope that TDK NEEDS to play. Why, who the hell knows.

But for completions sake....
2022 - 2023
Vs top 6 - 2-9  (the 2 wins with 1 ruck)
vs middle 6 - 4-4-1
vs bottom 6 - 10-1 (the 1 loss we played 2 rucks)

I said at the start of the year that i didn't think we should play 2 rucks just on team balance and was shouted down by plenty.

TDK was dropped through lack of form and hasn't shown anything in VFL to suggest otherwise.

Wins/Losses have been directly related to strength of opposition and nothing else.
 

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #334 –
The results show we have hardly won when it's your Pitt/SOS dream team but you won't accept it.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #335 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
The results show we have hardly won when it's your Pitt/SOS dream team but you won't accept it.

The results show we hardly win when we play against hard teams. You want to blame Pitto and SOS and ignore the fact we are playing against tougher opposition.

I've already stated that it doesn't have to be SOS, it can be Young, or Harry....or whoever. But we cannot carry 2 rucks who don't do enough around the ground.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #336 –
4 wins against top 8 teams last year and 1 this year, TDK played in all of them.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #337 –
I think a fair bit of time and energy gets wasted on statistics.
Ruck contests seem to attract a lot of attention but all statistics should be handled with care.
The problem with raw statistics is there are too many variables that affect them.
Was it windy, was it raining, who was the opposition, did the ball go to a Carlton player in a disposal who was immediately tackled or did it result in a clean clearance from the contest, what ground were we playing on, what injury did the player carry into the game, how often were they moved to a different opponent, were they being used in a decoy role, were they there to fill a tagging/nullifying role, was there a full moon....and that's just a sample.

So many important statistics aren't recorded as far as I know.
Tackles broken by the opposition is one that's significant!
Didn't chase is another!
I can think of a few of our 'good' players who would show up rather poorly if these were emphasised.

Stats are important in giving a bit of an indication, some are more significant than others.
But they're something that should be used as just an indicator, not necessarily as 'proof of the pudding'.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #338 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
4 wins against top 8 teams last year and 1 this year, TDK played in all of them.

So did Fisher.......and LOB

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #340 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Yep. We definitely need more run in the side.

Which is what i'm saying.

....and you are saying we need 2 rucks.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #341 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Which is what i'm saying.

....and you are saying we need 2 rucks.
So TDK it is if we can only have one and need more run!

But I think that is a mistake, I think we need two, one with run and jump, one with grunt and muscle.
The Force Awakens!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #342 –
Quote from: Lods on
I think a fair bit of time and energy gets wasted on statistics.
Ruck contests seem to attract a lot of attention but all statistics should be handled with care.
The problem with raw statistics is there are too many variables that affect them.
Was it windy, was it raining, who was the opposition, did the ball go to a Carlton player in a disposal who was immediately tackled or did it result in a clean clearance from the contest, what ground were we playing on, what injury did the player carry into the game, how often were they moved to a different opponent, were they being used in a decoy role, were they there to fill a tagging/nullifying role, was there a full moon....and that's just a sample.

So many important statistics aren't recorded as far as I know.
Tackles broken by the opposition is one that's significant!
Didn't chase is another!
I can think of a few of our 'good' players who would show up rather poorly if these were emphasised.

Stats are important in giving a bit of an indication, some are more significant than others.
But they're something that should be used as just an indicator, not necessarily as 'proof of the pudding'.
my favourite stat is scores from turnover.

Unless you win the clearance and then score pretty much every score comes from a turnover.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #343 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
my favourite stat is scores from turnover.

Unless you win the clearance and then score pretty much every score comes from a turnover.

No.

If there is a stoppage (ball up or out of bounds) its from a stoppage.
Or you can get a goal from a behind....

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #344 –
Isn't that a stoppage clearance score? 

Either way you slice it, I'd rather get scored on from a turnover than any other way.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson