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Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #90
I think that Steele must have misplaced his cloak of invisibility.  Not once did he appear out of nowhere to accept a pass inside 50 🙂

If nothing else, Friday’s performance shows that our coaches and playing group have learnt from past experiences.

Collingwood’s not a great stoppage team and I was expecting us to be on top there.  I was hoping that we could stop their run out of defence and I couldn’t be happier with how that panned out.  We made the most out of our forward 50 entries and worked hard to keep the ball in our half.  The wall we built across the centre of the G was formidable and Weiters and his crew mopped up anything that got past.

That same four quarter effort will be very hard to beat, regardless of the opposition, and that’s the challenge for Vossy and our leadership group.

Dare I say it, but we’re becoming just a little intimidating, both in terms of football ability and our attack on the aggott and the sucker who has possession.

Our Achilles’ heel is the bare cupboard that is our VFL team.

Weitering was back to his best and I think he enjoyed the Collingwood setup with a taller more traditional forward line. To me its interesting how McStay has given Collingwood a different look and with Mihocek as well as Cox they looked slower and top heavy. I thought when they had the kid Johnson and Mihocek only in the first half of the season they looked more mobile and dangerous.
Likewise losing Harry to injury has given us a different look and Charlie is playing like a man possessed being the only specialist tall forward and our whole forward line has taken on a more dynamic look with less bombing the ball and more movement.
Im not saying we are better off without Harry overall but losing him has forced us to play different  and look for other players ie Martin, Motlop etc and the Pies gaining McStay has made them different and I think we have a clear winner and its not Collingwood.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #91
The point is that there's no logic or consistency to the way ruck infringements are adjudicated.  If the two frees against De Koning were correct, at least ten other similar frees should have been paid.  I don't know if there's much communication between the AFL and clubs about what constitutes a ruck infringement, but there should be more.  It would be interesting to hear what the AFL/umpires think De Koning should have done when the ball bounced towards his side of the circle  :-\  

 

A good starting point would be to stop the umpire who bounces the ball from awarding free kicks for ruck interference at centre bounces.  That umpire is so focused on the bounce and backing away from the contest that he/she does not have a good perspective to make such decisions.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #92
A good starting point would be to stop the umpire who bounces the ball from awarding free kicks for ruck interference at centre bounces.  That umpire is so focused on the bounce and backing away from the contest that he/she does not have a good perspective to make such decisions.

Too logical for the AFL RR?
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #93
Weird coaches votes this week, usually they are in pretty close accord but not this week, could be any of a few variants including;

9 - Charlie ( 5-4 )
7 - Newman ( 4-3 )
5 - Weitering ( 5 )
4 - Martin ( 2-2 )
3 - Cameron ( 3 )
2 - Cripps ( 1-1 )

or

9 - Charlie ( 5-4 )
7 - Newman ( 5-2 )
5 - Weitering ( 3 -2 )
4 - Martin ( 4 )
3 - Cameron ( 3 )
2 - Cripps ( 1-1 )
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #94
This is the sort of game we have stuffed up in the past. The team has worked damn hard to get to the position where it's destiny is in there own hands and while we now probably only need to win two of the next four to make the finals, this sort of thinking is dangerous and could lead to complacency and thinking we can win another down the track if we don't win this one. Our mindset should be to win the next four in a row and then win another four after that.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #95
I thought Cripps' game was worth more than 2 votes.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #96
Cerra was probably BOG at half time.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #97
Cerra was probably BOG at half time.

Cerra did in 40% game time what Cripps did in 82% game time.
Definitely worthy of votes.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #98
Not too much wrong with the coaches votes in the order, perhaps Martin or Cameron 1 or 2 too much, Cripps 1 or 2 not enough!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #99
Cameron getting votes is unexpected.  I would have had 5 or 6 Pies ahead of him. 

He took some marks, kicked a goal and got more hitouts than Pitto, but we owned the stoppages.  Take away the three inexplicable ruck infringement frees he was gifted and it becomes an ordinary performance. 

As has been stated previously, none of the rucks had much impact.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

 

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #100
Whilst I believe we’ll go on with it, we really do need to win next week to make this week count.

Amazing game. Could not be prouder.

BT or, as we refer to him at home ‘hindsight Hodge’ said - Collingwood had a 6 day interstate wet turnaround - does that matter? We missed Cerra after halftime, Walsh and JSOS entire game 🤷🏻‍♀️
 

Yes i remember them saying that loud and clear. I applaud Richo for coming straight back at them and said yeah maybe but Carlton are smashing them at clearances thats why they are winning. Some of the commentary from 7 callers sounded very bias at times for the other mob or maybe it was just me. AND not once did they mention the players we had missing vs a FULL strength other mob who also has a full list to choose from. So yeah this was a huge!!!!!!! win.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #101
Whilst I believe we’ll go on with it, we really do need to win next week to make this week count.

Amazing game. Could not be prouder.

BT or, as we refer to him at home ‘hindsight Hodge’ said - Collingwood had a 6 day interstate wet turnaround - does that matter? We missed Cerra after halftime, Walsh and JSOS entire game 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
They were at full strength, we were far from it. Everyone can throw up every excuse they want, the win was top shelf no matter how you dice it, we forced the errors by applying immense pressure, we ran harder and longer than they did, we kicked straighter. EOS.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #102
Yes i remember them saying that loud and clear. I applaud Richo for coming straight back at them and said yeah maybe but Carlton are smashing them at clearances thats why they are winning. Some of the commentary from 7 callers sounded very bias at times for the other mob or maybe it was just me. AND not once did they mention the players we had missing vs a FULL strength other mob who also has a full list to choose from. So yeah this was a huge!!!!!!! win.
I've watched the replay 3 times (twice sober) and there is one bloke who seems to be on our side, surprisingly, Luke Hodge! I think he really likes us?

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #103
They were at full strength, we were far from it. Everyone can throw up every excuse they want, the win was top shelf no matter how you dice it, we forced the errors by applying immense pressure, we ran harder and longer than they did, we kicked straighter. EOS.
Yep, we lost the bloke who was BOG very early into the 3rd quarter. We are now FIVE major soldiers down in personnel and still not getting anyone back anytime soon.
We're doing OK

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #104
I've watched the replay 3 times (twice sober) and there is one bloke who seems to be on our side, surprisingly, Luke Hodge! I think he really likes us?

I’m not sure that Hodge likes us but he is a genuine footy tragic who takes his role very seriously.  I always appreciate his insights and analyses.

He’s another one of that Hawthorn crew that really know their footy.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball