Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 02:11:32 pm

Higgins and Owens are the usual suspects.

Wanganeen-Millera, Hill, Sinclair and Butler if he plays usually save their best for us too.

Rowan Marshall can thank dominating against our rucks for an AFL career.

Luckily Stocker doesnt play too well against us and hes usually quite important for them.

The saints are the most annoying side in the AFL to watch, and there is 0 heat on them after their dismantling of Freo last week.  We are not going well though, and look as broken as we did at the tail end of last year. 

Higgins is no slouch, currently 2nd in the Coleman I think so he will need close attention.

It is disappointing that Wannon MP Dan Tehan has ruled himself out of the Liberal leadership contest.  Apart from the fact that he is a Victorian, Tehan is a genuine, hard working, thoughtful person who isn't involved in the culture wars and is always respectful of others while vigorously pursuing genuine liberal ideals.

The Taylor-Price team seems likely to prevail and I don't think that's good news for anyone.

Quote from: Professer E – on Today at 10:07:10 am

Collective test for this club tonight - players, MC and coaching.

There's one thing about Voss IMO, he never singles out players, lines coaches, list, he always implies "we need to get better", "we need to go to work on...", he implies whole of club. He doesnt drop players at the first sign of poor form, he backs them in to fight through tough times. Many will see this as weakness, I see this as a strong quality.

Walsh is on big coin and has two patchy years.  Seems a bit banged up for moderate kilometres...

I'm wth you EB.  If you don't want to be there, sayonara.

Interesting read in the Herald Sun regarding Liam Stocker on the eve of " Spuds Game"

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/rebuilding-liam-stocker-how-saint-overcame-his-prescription-drugs-nightmare/news-story/a79d333b14e4b620c53e511597262480

Quote from: Professer E – on May 08, 2025, 03:30:04 pm

I'd go even further with your thinking.
If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone.  I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams?
And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.

If you believe the rumour mill, Walsh is the one who will be traded. Word is he has told people that if Voss is coaching in 2026, he wont be there. So if that's true, ta ta Sam I say, we dont need prima donna's holding our club to ransom.

I'd go even further with your thinking.
If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone.  I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams?
And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.

Quote from: kruddler – on May 06, 2025, 08:26:29 pm

I pointed out that when we are fit. We have won.

I highlighted we had less rest and less motivation to win compared to the opposition.

I'm not justifying it, i'm just pointing it out.
At the same time, suggesting that with a bit of luck, we don't need to torch the place down like many seem to want to do.

I've been basically saying 'prevention is better than the cure' in regards to list management but here we are now, dealing with the consequencing.

Understand. My worry is our top end talent should now have the players around them in the last few years to go deep into finals and the fact we are still talking about so many missing pieces is very concerning.

We now have to get into the club critical players in positions needed and we don't have the luxury of time anymore - we need it now or the best years of our top tiers will have past and then your really hoping for a miracle year to snag a flag.

The clock is ticking and ticking fast for the this list. Every lost year now is drawing closer to a failed rebuild where a few changes wont do it and its back to square 1. 

If not confident it can be done with what ive seen over the last 10 years but hanging on to being proven wrong.  

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 07, 2025, 09:16:44 pm

Victoria is virtually bankrupt thanks to Labour.

Virtually bankrupt isn’t the same as actually bankrupt … and don’t forget that it was the Morrison Government that encouraged Victoria to embark on its capital works program.  That program will have long lasting benefits for Victorians for many years to come and it’s an indictment on previous governments that have lacked the foresight and will to build for the future. 

“Virtually bankrupt” is a stretch too and Victoria’s finances are in a much better state than the opposition and the Murdoch press would have you believe. 

The Australian Institute, under the headline, “Sorry media, neither Victoria’s budget nor its economy is in bad shape” makes the following points:

“The media like to point to Victoria’s debt and deficit but they do so by including government fixed capital investment in the deficit. This might seem to the layperson as perfectly reasonable, but it is not how accounting works in the private sector and it presents a distorted picture of the state of the budget.

Including capital investment in a similar manner would, for example, see BHP’s 2024 profit drop from its declared US$20.7 billion to a marginal US$0.2 billion. Many other profitable companies would be in deficit were their budgets measured in the same way that now has the media suggesting the Victorian state finances are in deep trouble.”

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 07, 2025, 08:17:15 am

I think Voters especially in Victoria   were more interested in economic policy than anything else and the Greens and Teals offer nothing in that area to middle Australia.

Well I hope they aren't expecting sound economic policy from Labour.

@EB
Spot on EB. We are lost in the wilderness and still hoping for a messiah bearing a quick fix to appear. So far only mirages and promises.
We need youthful, genuine warriors both on and off the field with the expertise to plot a course back to the promised land. None evident yet! 🙁😢

The swing against the Greens and Teals in Victoria in particular is interesting.