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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda


Higgins and Owens are the usual suspects.

Wanganeen-Millera, Hill, Sinclair and Butler if he plays usually save their best for us too.

Rowan Marshall can thank dominating against our rucks for an AFL career.

Luckily Stocker doesnt play too well against us and hes usually quite important for them.

The saints are the most annoying side in the AFL to watch, and there is 0 heat on them after their dismantling of Freo last week.  We are not going well though, and look as broken as we did at the tail end of last year. 
Higgins is no slouch, currently 2nd in the Coleman I think so he will need close attention.

Agree...needs a player who can handle him on the ground and in the air, takes a few marks in one on one duals and can play as that default key forward when they have Sharman and Caminiti playing further up the ground and dragging their opponents with them. Its a different game at the MCG though and requires a bit more mobility imo, we can look a bit top heavy with too many taller types down back.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
It is disappointing that Wannon MP Dan Tehan has ruled himself out of the Liberal leadership contest.  Apart from the fact that he is a Victorian, Tehan is a genuine, hard working, thoughtful person who isn't involved in the culture wars and is always respectful of others while vigorously pursuing genuine liberal ideals.

The Taylor-Price team seems likely to prevail and I don't think that's good news for anyone.
I dont mind Tehan either, probably the best of a bad lot, Taylor might have an economics degree but he cant explain or justify any monetary policy the Liberals put forward and was a boat anchor around Duttons neck who helped him lose the election and his seat. Albo can get ready for a third term if Taylor is leader....
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Collective test for this club tonight - players, MC and coaching.
There's one thing about Voss IMO, he never singles out players, lines coaches, list, he always implies "we need to get better", "we need to go to work on...", he implies whole of club. He doesnt drop players at the first sign of poor form, he backs them in to fight through tough times. Many will see this as weakness, I see this as a strong quality.
I see it as us having no depth and he cant make any changes because there is nothing better to bring in, he is essentially running with a smaller list than most.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Walsh is on big coin and has two patchy years.  Seems a bit banged up for moderate kilometres...

I'm wth you EB.  If you don't want to be there, sayonara.
Agree, has had those back problems Prof so Im not over paying him even though he is a very good player and has leadership qualities that every club needs. I want to keep him but I wouldnt be trying to match stupid offers from other clubs and if he has some problem with club/coach and wants to go then he can leave.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Done ok at Stkilda all be it they dont have a great list imo and he doesnt have much to beat for his spot, seems to have assumed that Steven Baker role as a provoking small defender who doesnt mind giving out the odd solid bump and hard tackle.
Id imagine he will try and stir up a few players and deliver a few bruises vs his old teammates, he has improved his marking but his disposal by foot is iffy and he has poor endurance so hopefully our blokes can run him around and pressure his kicking so he turns it over. A Ross Lyon type of player though and he has found his right home for sure.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
I'd go even further with your thinking.
If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone.  I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams?
And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.
If you believe the rumour mill, Walsh is the one who will be traded. Word is he has told people that if Voss is coaching in 2026, he wont be there. So if that's true, ta ta Sam I say, we dont need prima donna's holding our club to ransom.
Walsh is a restricted free agent soon , according to Cal Twomey he will get some big offers and will be the next captain.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
I'd go even further with your thinking.
If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone.  I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams?
And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.
I think we should beat the Saints at the "G".....we should rebound after the Crows debacle, cant see us ever trading Charlie unless its a conflict with coach type issue or he has gone off the rails Oliver style. Im expecting Charlie and Harry to have big games vs smaller opponents, I think TDK will have a blinder and push his price up further towards 2 mill a season and have SOS and Ross salivating at what joy he will bring.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Greens leader Adam Bandt has finally conceded his seat to the ALP but not before giving the Liberals a clip for giving their preferences to the ALP, of course Mr Bandt won his seat previously on the back of LNP preferences but he failed to acknowledge that in his concession speech. Given the Greens will be the sole handbrake on the ALP in the upper house it will be interesting to see who they elect as leader and if they are up to the responsibility they have been given.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

I pointed out that when we are fit. We have won.

I highlighted we had less rest and less motivation to win compared to the opposition.

I'm not justifying it, i'm just pointing it out.
At the same time, suggesting that with a bit of luck, we don't need to torch the place down like many seem to want to do.

I've been basically saying 'prevention is better than the cure' in regards to list management but here we are now, dealing with the consequencing.

Understand. My worry is our top end talent should now have the players around them in the last few years to go deep into finals and the fact we are still talking about so many missing pieces is very concerning.

We now have to get into the club critical players in positions needed and we don't have the luxury of time anymore - we need it now or the best years of our top tiers will have past and then your really hoping for a miracle year to snag a flag.

The clock is ticking and ticking fast for the this list. Every lost year now is drawing closer to a failed rebuild where a few changes wont do it and its back to square 1. 

If not confident it can be done with what ive seen over the last 10 years but hanging on to being proven wrong.  
Spot on, I think its common knowledge our top end group of players all have to play well for us to win and the rank and file types are really just making up the numbers and and dont contribute enough week to week.
We havent been able to recruit well enough to get those Mihocek, Crisp, Cameron type players that say Collingwood do for nothing, who can fill gaps on your list and be influential in games.
The clock is on this group of players and I really dont want to see us go back to a ground zero rebuild again and we need recruiters who can get us a few cheap readymades who can work with what we have.
Nic Newman was one of those bargain types but we need a few more in different areas of the ground to give that quality support to our elite players, its just unrealistic to expect our elite to be all be playing well every week and to remain injury free.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Victoria is virtually bankrupt thanks to Labour.

Virtually bankrupt isn’t the same as actually bankrupt … and don’t forget that it was the Morrison Government that encouraged Victoria to embark on its capital works program.  That program will have long lasting benefits for Victorians for many years to come and it’s an indictment on previous governments that have lacked the foresight and will to build for the future. 

“Virtually bankrupt” is a stretch too and Victoria’s finances are in a much better state than the opposition and the Murdoch press would have you believe. 

The Australian Institute, under the headline, “Sorry media, neither Victoria’s budget nor its economy is in bad shape” makes the following points:

“The media like to point to Victoria’s debt and deficit but they do so by including government fixed capital investment in the deficit. This might seem to the layperson as perfectly reasonable, but it is not how accounting works in the private sector and it presents a distorted picture of the state of the budget.

Including capital investment in a similar manner would, for example, see BHP’s 2024 profit drop from its declared US$20.7 billion to a marginal US$0.2 billion. Many other profitable companies would be in deficit were their budgets measured in the same way that now has the media suggesting the Victorian state finances are in deep trouble.”


Victoria's credit rating has dropped meaning higher rates for any future borrowings and the net debt will continue to increase.
Victoria is now the fourth most indebted state government from advanced economies outside the US in absolute dollar terms, you can dress the accounting up anyway you like but the only measure that matters is debt as a proportion of government operating revenues. By 2027, Standard and Poors estimates Victoria’s debt will have climbed to a scary 214 per cent of operating revenues.
Not that other States are travelling great either with only WA doing ok and Australia is only seen as reasonable as European Sovereign countries are doing worse than our States and countries like Canada are even worse although they are all still trotting out CoVid as the excuse.
I cant see any way out for Victoria and even NSW unless the Federal Government foot the ballooning very large infrastructure projects bill and take over more of the States operating costs. In some other countries like the UK and France the Central Government pays up to 80% of the budget to run the country unlike Australia where the States have to chip in a lot more but get the opportunity to set their own taxes, borrow from who they like etc, maybe that system has to change.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

I think Voters especially in Victoria   were more interested in economic policy than anything else and the Greens and Teals offer nothing in that area to middle Australia.
Well I hope they aren't expecting sound economic policy from Labour.
Albo promised more freebies and played popularist economic politics better than Dutton..
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
@EB
Spot on EB. We are lost in the wilderness and still hoping for a messiah bearing a quick fix to appear. So far only mirages and promises.
We need youthful, genuine warriors both on and off the field with the expertise to plot a course back to the promised land. None evident yet! 🙁😢
We love a good messiah Cookie, only person who I can see having some answers for the future is Graeme Wright and having him plot a path for success after learning about the club for a year under Brian Cook appears our best hope imo.