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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #60 –
Quote from: DJC on
I’m a bit surprised that Newnes is back in the 18 but he is a seasoned player with a cool head when it counts.

I think that Kennedy, Cottrell, Plowman and Martin will make up the 22 and Dow will be the sub.

That would be a bit tough for Carroll and Motlop but, with the exception of KPPs and rucks, we have serious competition for a place in the team.
I'd have Martin as the sub and Dow in with those others you mentioned....Martin for me isnt an automatic after a Calf Injury given his form was just average prior. Dow(no tackling) hasnt been perfect in the VFL but has got a lot of the ball and has some run in his legs.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #61 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
I'd have Martin as the sub and Dow in with those others you mentioned....Martin for me isnt an automatic after a Calf Injury given his form was just average prior. Dow(no tackling) hasnt been perfect in the VFL but has got a lot of the ball and has some run in his legs.

I thought Martin was very influential in the games before his calf injury; 5 goals, marks, tackles and a lot of run.  Probably close to his best form since he joined but it's arguable that he should come back through the VFL, unless Carroll or Motlop is struggling. 

Dow's not as good as our first 5 midfielders and hasn't shown any ability to play elsewhere.  He probably deserves a run in the AFL but would that make us stronger?
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #62 –
Martin is a creative player who is capable of winning a game of footy off his own boot.

He generally tackles well, applies pressure, runs very hard, and usually ends up with lots of score involvements and metres gained.

I would have had a gentle gentle approach with him, and brought him back after the bye, but if he is ready I am ok with that, because he is one of our better performing forwards.  Things are getting more competitive on that front though.
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Martin is a creative player who is capable of winning a game of footy off his own boot.

He generally tackles well, applies pressure, runs very hard, and usually ends up with lots of score involvements and metres gained.

I would have had a gentle gentle approach with him, and brought him back after the bye, but if he is ready I am ok with that, because he is one of our better performing forwards.  Things are getting more competitive on that front though.
Strong overhead for size also. When his goal kicking is "on", its elite, his action is as pure as it gets.
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #64 –
Quote from: DJC on
I thought Martin was very influential in the games before his calf injury; 5 goals, marks, tackles and a lot of run.  Probably close to his best form since he joined but it's arguable that he should come back through the VFL, unless Carroll or Motlop is struggling. 

Dow's not as good as our first 5 midfielders and hasn't shown any ability to play elsewhere.  He probably deserves a run in the AFL but would that make us stronger?

Totally agree re Martin and Dow. Would Dow make us stronger? No. Martin? Yes.
Sorry, but not a Dow fan. Even in last week's loss to Sandy I saw Dow with opportunities to put his body in when an opponent had the aggot and he just watched. Don't trust him to go hard with defensive effort when it's his turn. Exciting when he gets the aggot and runs hard... but that's it.
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #65 –
I suspect they'll drop Motlop for Martin,  who would want to do something more than  be invisible for 75% of the game
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #66 –
No doubting Martins skills but for me he doesn't do enough for 4 quarters and is a luxury player you have to carry hoping he gives you a burst of brilliance that is game changing.
I like Dow and want to see him succeed but I get the negative vibes from others who are over waiting for some consistency and maturity in his game.

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Reply #67 –
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No doubting Martins skills but for me he doesn't do enough for 4 quarters and is a luxury player you have to carry hoping he gives you a burst of brilliance that is game changing.
I like Dow and want to see him succeed but I get the negative vibes from others who are over waiting for some consistency and maturity in his game.
IMO, has not been given enough of a decent go to prove himself EB.
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Reply #68 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
IMO, has not been given enough of a decent go to prove himself EB.
Agree GTC, with such a strong midfield it's hard squeezing him in but I think he offers more long term than Newnes, Cottrell etc..

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Reply #69 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Agree GTC, with such a strong midfield it's hard squeezing him in but I think he offers more long term than Newnes, Cottrell etc..
Only if the measure is midfield, I think Newnes and Cottrell have Dow comfortably covered in just about ever other position.
 
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #70 –
A bit of trivia:  why is Collingwood Coach Craig McCrae known as Fly?


A. He gave himself a bad undercut haircut when he was at Port and Choco Williams spotted him at training and called him Marty McFly. When he went up to the Lions, they dropped the Mc.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #71 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Agree GTC, with such a strong midfield it's hard squeezing him in but I think he offers more long term than Newnes, Cottrell etc..

Problem for Dow is that he's an inside mid only... so who would you drop for him, Cripps or Kennedy? That's the challenge for Dow, to displace one of those two.
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #72 –
I would think it would be Martin in for Carroll. I think he has been struggling a little bit over the past couple of weeks with the intensity of AFL football and he may be a bit knocked about. I think he is a long term prospect but he probably needs a bit of a break. I thought that Martin had recently been really trying to impact on the game a bit more than he has in the past before he got injured. He seems to have got the message that having a highlights reel is different from being an effective football. He would also give us a bit more marking up forward.
Collingwood's rucks aren't as good as when Grundy is available so DeKonning could be pretty effective in this game while our second ruck options may not be as outgunned and this could make our midfield a bit more effective. In the past the has been the midfield has been the key to Collingwood but this may not be as true now that FIGJAM isn't coaching. When they get on a roll they are frenetic but we should be able to dominate them. If we turn up to play as we have over the past two weeks then it should be a fairly comfortable win.
 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #73 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Agree GTC, with such a strong midfield it's hard squeezing him in but I think he offers more long term than Newnes, Cottrell etc..

Dow doesn’t provide the gut running and defensive efforts that Newnes, Cottrell and O’Brien do. 

Robert Walls was full of praise for Cottrell and his tank.  His defensive efforts towards the end of games have been outstanding. He must have great endurance and he’s using that to great effect when everyone else is flagging.

Newnes isn’t going to be around for much longer but neither will Dow unless he develops more strings to his bow.
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #74 –
It seems that Matt Kennedy will miss the game so Dow may get his opportunity after all. 

Big shoes to fill Paddy - give it your best shot!
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