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Apart from Cripps clangars his direct opponents are also hurting us, I thought Lyons was very good player for Brisbane, that 50m pass to Hipwood on the run for a goal was a gem.
Be interesting how he goes this week, in a couple of previous Essendon games he has been tagged by Langford and struggled...

Silvagni?  I will NEVER give him credit for recruiting obvious number one picks that any idiot would have nominated.  Look a little deeper for his busts ... there's a lot of them.

That's my strong opinion and nobody is about to change it.  He was woeful

I appreciate the trouble you've gone to (being dead serious here) but I knew many of those  details anyway.

So I'll repeat it again.  We got stuck with rubbish through his ineptitude.  He has no eye for talent.  The (or my) defence rests.  And if you select poorly, think of the obvious.  You fall down the ladder, you receive a high pick and if a #1 is screaming out at you, you're hardly in a position to pat yourself on the back simply because it succeeds when everyone else knew it would.

SOS busts (IMO) ??=Jury is out
Dow
Obrien
SPS
Kennedy??
McGovern
Lang
Kemp??
Betts (not his fault, the Richmond bloke is blame for that one)
Plowman
Marchbank
Fisher??
Macreadie
Cunningham
Polson
Williamson??
Fasolo
Glass-McCasker R
Gallucci R
Pat Kerr
LeBois R
Schumacher
Garlett
Oshea
Shaw R
ODwyer
B Silvagni
Goddard R
Bugg R
Deluca
Honey R??
F Phillips R

Surely the jury is still out in relation to McGovern, Cunningham, Dow and SPS?

SOS busts (IMO) ??=Jury is out
Dow
Obrien
SPS
Kennedy??
McGovern
Lang
Kemp??
Betts (not his fault, the Richmond bloke is blame for that one)
Plowman
Marchbank
Fisher??
Macreadie
Cunningham
Polson
Williamson??
Fasolo
Glass-McCasker R
Gallucci R
Pat Kerr
LeBois R
Schumacher
Garlett
Oshea
Shaw R
ODwyer
B Silvagni
Goddard R
Bugg R
Deluca
Honey R??
F Phillips R

Silvagni?  I will NEVER give him credit for recruiting obvious number one picks that any idiot would have nominated.  Look a little deeper for his busts ... there's a lot of them.

That's my strong opinion and nobody is about to change it.  He was woeful

Well....at least you're open minded and willing to listen to reason. 

Let me try anyway.

Are you happy with Harry McKay? I'll assume, yes.
"Oh but it was an obvious choice" you might say.
Sure, if you wanna go down that path......even though 9 players were picked before him. How is #2 Josh Schache going. An 'obvious' choice behind Weitering....but i digress.

However, you realise that we never had the pick we used to get Harry McKay. So where did we get it from?
Its convoluted, so i'll make it as easy as i can.

Trade 1:
Lachie Henderson -> Geelong 1st round pick

Trade 2:
Geelong 1st round pick + Pick 28 + Pick 77 + Pick 95 ->  Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips, Lachie Plowman, Liam Sumner + Pick 8.

Trade 3.
Andrew Phillips + pick 61 + Pick 72 -> Pick 57 + Pick 70

Trade 4.
Pick 54 + Pick 63 -> Marc Pittonet + Pick 61

That Pick 8. got pushed back to pick 10 after some bids were matched, but that is the selection we used for Harry McKay.

So....in conclusion
Lachie Henderson being traded out
=
Lachie Plowman
Marc Pittonet
Harry McKay
(as well as Lamb, Sumner and a couple years out of Phillips)

You can thank Silvagni for that.

CBF working out where Charlie Curnows pick came from, but at a guess its from Zach Tuohy trade.

So don't judge Silvagni on the players that were picked up mid or late, and exclude the 'early obvious' picks, because he is the reason we had those early obvious picks and he plucked them out of thin air most of the time.

Weitering, Curnow, McKay....then added smaller types SPS, Cuningham, Dow, Obrien, Walsh etc. He had a good mix of talls/smalls as backups. Overall a balanced list.

Blowing bags of earlish picks on GWS players, none of which have become topliners has really hurt as well.   Jaksch anyone.   Then there's Moneybags... Gees we coughed up big for that clown.

I don't think many are questioning Silvagni's skill when it comes to accumulating picks.
He was very, very good.
That was his strength.
But folks won't remember that.
It's what he did with those picks that he'll ultimately be judged by

Weitering, Curnow and McKay weren't hard choices in that first draft.
Bozo the clown could have picked them.

It's the Cunningham, Dow, O Brien, even SPS choices that the scrutiny is on.

Throw enough punches in the dark and eventually you hit something. He was a massive fail when you look at sheet number of first and second round picks we had.

If you want to pat him on the back for the few like Harry that worked you are setting the bar very very low imo.