Carlton Supporters Club

Something I’ve noted over the years is that amongst new agers, anti vaxxers, and conspiracy “theorists” is that to a man and woman they think they are smarter than the average joe.
They cherry pick their “experts” add in some “common sense” and add a little personal touch/life story.

If the government is so powerful and well organised as to be able to influence so many individuals to keep their despicable and criminal acts secret from the public how then do they allow these “experts” to expose their wrongdoings  on YouTube ?

Far better in my opinion to watch reruns of Xfiles, A grade conspiracy’s from the comfort of your lounge...

What we are seeing is a residual burnout of more and more people as they feel like they've been lied to.

I think people are just worn out from all the crap.

I like this one, the guy standing in the engine... that engine is about the size of the whole planes hole in the pentagon...
And there were 2 engines.....and the rest of the plane.

75 foot hole?

75 foot hole?

Something I’ve noted over the years is that amongst new agers, anti vaxxers, and conspiracy “theorists” is that to a man and woman they think they are smarter than the average joe.
They cherry pick their “experts” add in some “common sense” and add a little personal touch/life story.

If the government is so powerful and well organised as to be able to influence so many individuals to keep their despicable and criminal acts secret from the public how then do they allow these “experts” to expose their wrongdoings  on YouTube ?

Far better in my opinion to watch reruns of Xfiles, A grade conspiracy’s from the comfort of your lounge...

Ironic, given it's the conspiracy nutters generate the vast bulk of the lies, doctor videos, publish deep fakes, etc., etc..!

They see themselves as whistle-blowers, when they are really crying wolf!

The fact that they use this to explain their son's autism disorder is another tenuous link, but not one completely without foundation, and belittling their perspective serves only to cast judgement on them, and not understand them.

Ultimately, we get lied to a lot by governments.  THEY are the ones that deserve to be questioned, and we should never shout down someone questioning the official line, because they are the ones that might have been the ones to call out the holocaust, but too many people might have told them that they were crazy, and there is no way that the mass extermination of people could be occurring in their own backyard.

Btw., What they might suffer from is confirmation bias, not a conspiracy at all, so nobody is really belittling them!

In regards to the confirmation bias, the problem is the tenuous links from a confirmation bias aren't a foundation for a cause at all, the absence of evidence isn't confirmation of a great conspiracy or a real world effect. It's just correlation. The problem is humans do not weigh these effects evenly, just like we make a big deal about someone getting ill in correlation to receiving a vaccine, while ignoring the vast bulk who do not.

Science and medicine doesn't ignore those who get ill from a vaccine shot, they investigate them, it's not a cover up.

That "They" is interesting, in the context you use it it means "us and them", the trouble is when the "they" is government the them is really us, the bulk of the government are ordinary Jills and Joes going about the daily grind. The biggest employer in the land. Like health industry workers, which in the context that you use it "they" would be all part of the "they", doesn't that include yourself?

Most conspiracies and conspiracists are fundamentally are looking for someone to blame, ironically in the 9/11 stuff it seems the dead blokes who hijacked the planes and Osama bin Laden aren't enough, they want to blame somebody living! They seem to want revenge, and a sacrifice.

I do wonder how much Daesh manipulate these forums, the Australian who was arrested was a specialist in social media and communications studies, someone who made a career from digital social influence.

My perspective is, that I can only trust my own eyes, and my own ears, and everything else is hearsay be it double blind and tested, because ultimately, all we are doing is putting our faith in one organisation or  set of people over another.  Then you introduce corruption, or even a simple formula used commonly in manufacturing processes, and you end up with a cost benefit analysis occurring.

Not all levels of government employee are the same, and I too being one, see exactly what lies, half truths and mistruths are reported.

Ill refer you back to Nazi Germany.

"Just do it."

The soldiers are complicit and execute the orders leading to the action, but they are just following orders that they havent questioned.

Who do you think sounds more like that?  The conspiracy nutters?  Or those telling them they are nutters, and that everyone is perfectly safe, after all the science says so.

My perspective is, that I can only trust my own eyes, and my own ears, and everything else is hearsay be it double blind and tested, because ultimately, all we are doing is putting our faith in one organisation or  set of people over another.  Then you introduce corruption, or even a simple formula used commonly in manufacturing processes, and you end up with a cost benefit analysis occurring.

THAT is the part that everyone understands, which gives birth to all the questions, correlations, confirmation biases etc.

The definition of ironic, is having yourself pointed at every single juxtaposition you hold, and continue to undermine the opposite opinion by calling people things like conspiracy nutters.

My friends are simply explaining away something the best way they know how, because the truth is, that their combination of genes, may very well be the reason their child has autism, and its often easier to externalise that blame, rather than wear it yourself and part of the issue is the way we recognise ASD these days.

Keep that in mind in context of there is no such thing as normal.