Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Reply #126 –
You either have presence or you dont IMO, its hard to manufacture....young captains like Sticks, Carey had it...Hurn has it but in a quiet way, he isnt a " kent" on the field and is rarely in any skirmishes but when he speaks you can tell the WC players respect him and he is one player if you notice the opposition never mess with physically or mentally, there is just something about him that says presence.
Pendlebury is a fantastic footballer and probably will go down in history as one of Collingwoods greatest but he doesnt have it IMO and one of the reasons Collingwood cant go to the next level is their lack of standout leaders.
Max Gawn....big man but no presence....
Cripps I am undecided on, but Docherty isnt my idea of a captain with presence, I'm not a fan of dual captains, to me it says we dont have one person qualified or with all the characteristics required to do the job on their own.
EB when I said kent, I didnt mean get into fights, king hit behind play, bump players into point posts, I meant being relentless and ruthless with your teamates demanding the highest standards. When you deliver a message, they need to know you mean business, non negotiable. If Cripps or Doc dont demand the highest standards of themselves (ie "practice what you preach"), that's another matter and in that case we're farked. What I am describing above we dont know first hand, only the players do. We only see the end product. Also, lets not pretend crap lists with no ability can be led to victory by a Captain made up of Jack Dyer, EJ, Big Nic, Sticks, Lethal and Carey. Cotchin doesnt come across as having presence and kent, but to me he must have it judging by the way the play, that's also their coach which is another matter.