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Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #135 –
Levi to Dixon was the move to make.
Jones has been great but doesn’t have the bulk for that type of hulk.

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #136 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
But we got back on level terms and took the lead quick smart so that advantage was wiped. If only to have those 120 seconds back and play it again.

Fair call, but if we started properly we may well have been 2-3 up at qtr time.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #137 –
Quote from: LygonStreetLimbo on
Levi to Dixon was the move to make.
Jones has been great but doesn’t have the bulk for that type of hulk.

Couldn't agree more. Was shouting that from the sofa... Meat to Dixon, give Jonesy a run up forward.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #138 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
But we got back on level terms and took the lead quick smart so that advantage was wiped. If only to have those 120 seconds back and play it again.

Yes. We finally get into the 8, play the top side, lead when the final siren goes only to be kicked back out of the 8 in cruel fashion.

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #139 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Couldn't agree more. Was shouting that from the sofa... Meat to Dixon, give Jonesy a run up forward.

The call that was made was Gov pushed back as the loose man.

They showed footage of him from behind the goals leading up to the lead, mark and winning goal by Gray.

Gov was defending the hotspot 25-30m out from goal, in the corridor.  Gray and his opponent were behind him edging up. They move up to level, but closer to the boundary and he stayed in the hotspot (nobody behind him - he became the last line).
I forget who was analysing it but they were very critical of Gov for not getting in front of Gray or at least pushing closer to the boundary.
Personally i thought he was doing the right thing by forcing Gray into a position where if he was lucky he'd get the ball just inside the boundary, and close to the arc. Which is where it ended up.
Essentially, he played the %'s and that was the only spot Port would've been able to get a mark inside 50. Of course they pull it out of their backside to kick it, but had he pushed closer to the boundary, it would've opened up the corridor to someone coming down, resulting in an easier shot.

Of course all that happened after Dixon had done some damage, and i'm not sure how early that move was made.
In any event, Casboult to Dixon could've helped earlier. But then i would've used Jones in the Gov role, rather than sent Jones forward.

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #140 –
Quote from: LygonStreetLimbo on
Levi to Dixon was the move to make.
Jones has been great but doesn’t have the bulk for that type of hulk.
I doubt Levi would have the speed to stay with Dixon on the lead. We saw the separation Dixon was able to get on Jones through the midfield, and Jones is especially quick for his size.

The trick to dealing with Dixon is the 3rd man and Port did well to keep them away, whether that was legal or not is another matter and it seems not in many cases.

Anyway, collectively, I think we did OK against the Port talls given how many opportunities they were given. It was the smaller / medium types that really ran amok generating too many repeat opportunities, we failed to stop the ball coming straight back after being cleared.

That and spending 10~15 dominating without scoring cooked us.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #141 –
Quote from: LygonStreetLimbo on
Levi to Dixon was the move to make.
Jones has been great but doesn’t have the bulk for that type of hulk.

Levi is about as strong one on one as Murphy...
Levis strength is see ball, fly at ball, clunk ball.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #142 –
Quote from: northernblue on
Levi is about as strong one on one as Murphy...
Levis strength is see ball, fly at ball, clunk ball.
 I think that is the old Levi, it's clear his one on one has improved dramatically this season, at least in the ruck. Credit where credit is due.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #143 –
Quote from: kruddler on
The call that was made was Gov pushed back as the loose man.

They showed footage of him from behind the goals leading up to the lead, mark and winning goal by Gray.

Gov was defending the hotspot 25-30m out from goal, in the corridor.  Gray and his opponent were behind him edging up. They move up to level, but closer to the boundary and he stayed in the hotspot (nobody behind him - he became the last line).
I forget who was analysing it but they were very critical of Gov for not getting in front of Gray or at least pushing closer to the boundary.
Personally i thought he was doing the right thing by forcing Gray into a position where if he was lucky he'd get the ball just inside the boundary, and close to the arc. Which is where it ended up.
Essentially, he played the %'s and that was the only spot Port would've been able to get a mark inside 50. Of course they pull it out of their backside to kick it, but had he pushed closer to the boundary, it would've opened up the corridor to someone coming down, resulting in an easier shot.

Of course all that happened after Dixon had done some damage, and i'm not sure how early that move was made.
In any event, Casboult to Dixon could've helped earlier. But then i would've used Jones in the Gov role, rather than sent Jones forward.

It was David King, I agree with you. Forcing the forward to the boundary, little space to mark and a lesser chance to kick a goal if they do take the mark.  If you go back and listen to King live and then his post game summary there are often large differences in his view.
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Reply #144 –
Quote from: blueday on
It was David King, I agree with you. Forcing the forward to the boundary, little space to mark and a lesser chance to kick a goal if they do take the mark.  If you go back and listen to King live and then his post game summary there are often large differences in his view.
It is not uncommon for media types to revise opinions after the fact, and you'll never hear them reference the stuff that was wrong. But I suppose that is just human nature anyway, not restricted to megalomaniacs like McGuire, King and Caro.

What was it Caro stated? "I wasn't wrong, .............. but things changed!"
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Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #145 –
Quote from: blueday on
It was David King, I agree with you. Forcing the forward to the boundary, little space to mark and a lesser chance to kick a goal if they do take the mark.  If you go back and listen to King live and then his post game summary there are often large differences in his view.

Jono Brown thought the issue was the the kick before leading to Gray's mark. He pointed out that Jack Martin put very little pressure on the kicker, allowing an easy kick, when he could pushed alot harder and pushed him over the line. Brown went really hard on Martin as he said that what cost the game in those last seconds, not Gray's kick. He said with proper pressure the kick wouldn't have got to Gray. When I saw it again I couldn't help but agree. With more effort Martin could've really pressured the kicker.

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #146 –
Quote from: laj on
Jono Brown thought the issue was the the kick before leading to Gray's mark. He pointed out that Jack Martin put very little pressure on the kicker, allowing an easy kick, when he could pushed alot harder and pushed him over the line. Brown went really hard on Martin as he said that what cost the game in those last seconds, not Gray's kick. He said with proper pressure the kick wouldn't have got to Gray. When I saw it again I couldn't help but agree. With more effort Martin could've really pressured the kicker.
Thought the same thing at the time, but we don't know the circumstances. He may have been shot physically.  It looked pretty warm out there. May have taken it's toll. So many instances that could have impacted those last 40 seconds. The kick down the line from Gibbons. Why did he rush? Why not wait for the hurry up from the umpire? Then the kick. We had Pitto, Levi and H all there but the ball carried over the back to Jonas and that was all she wrote. Even the last desperate punch from the backmen looks like they all missed it and it hit legs out to Mayes for his delivery to Gray. Just a game of centimetres. Gotta stop reviewing that last 2 minutes

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #147 –
Quote from: laj on
Jono Brown thought the issue was the the kick before leading to Gray's mark. He pointed out that Jack Martin put very little pressure on the kicker, allowing an easy kick, when he could pushed alot harder and pushed him over the line. Brown went really hard on Martin as he said that what cost the game in those last seconds, not Gray's kick. He said with proper pressure the kick wouldn't have got to Gray. When I saw it again I couldn't help but agree. With more effort Martin could've really pressured the kicker.
Quote from: laj on
Jono Brown thought the issue was the the kick before leading to Gray's mark. He pointed out that Jack Martin put very little pressure on the kicker, allowing an easy kick, when he could pushed alot harder and pushed him over the line. Brown went really hard on Martin as he said that what cost the game in those last seconds, not Gray's kick. He said with proper pressure the kick wouldn't have got to Gray. When I saw it again I couldn't help but agree. With more effort Martin could've really pressured the kicker.
Wasnt it Ladhams who hit Mays up?...no pressure applied there either, generally we are not the greatest team at manning opponents up.

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #148 –
Watching the replay at the moment. We started very slowly and struggled to get the ball out of the middle, but once we had the break, they couldn't get near us. Those 4 goals in a row was as good anything we have done this year.

Weitering was dominant in defence. Eddie Betts: we made a good decision there!
Pittonet had an ordinary game. Just couldn't get the ball.
That poster by Casboult really hurt. Levi struggled after that.
Could be buy a free kick?
Cunner and Setters had some nice cameos, but not enough meat.
Wines showed why we want him in the 2nd quarter.
Our 2nd quarter was not so good. Pitto really struggled.
I'd be tempted to replace Newnes with Honey. Honey may not get the ball enough either, but he really makes things happen.
A move I would have liked would be to move Jones into the ruck. His ability to dominate possession there could well have been useful.
McKay needs to work on his handball, especially under pressure.
Not winning enough clearances. Crippa hasn't been anywhere near his best.
H doesn't have to do much to give away a free. I'd be working on him so that doesn't happen. he isn't physical yet.
Jack Martin didn't have his kicking boot on. In that 3rd quarter we threw away the game. A couple of gettable ones to Murphy and Martin could have turned the game.
I really hate the kicking to the pack stuff.
H can't but a free.
Good goal from Newnes. really good pressure from the forwards early in the last.
Crippa goals and we win ... on the full. :(
Free against Cripps: really guessed by the Umps.
Dixon hurt us. Shocking free to Gray.
How did we lose this one?

Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Post Game Postulations: AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #149 –
Quote from: LP on
I think that is the old Levi, it's clear his one on one has improved dramatically this season, at least in the ruck. Credit where credit is due.

No doubt he’s more aggressive at the ball, but he’s still not a strong body player, that’s my point.
Let’s go BIG !