AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #15 – May 03, 2024, 10:41:34 pm

Quote from: pinot on May 03, 2024, 10:37:26 pm

Durdin, Fantasia, Pitto - not up to it.

Pitto not up to it? FMD dunno what games youre watching.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #16 – May 03, 2024, 10:41:54 pm

Pies' system of ball movement, defensive plan and set up is far superior to ours. They were the better team, quite clearly so I'm afraid

Our midfield is slow, our release and spread horrible and defence has broken down completely. Other than Weeters, our backs aren't winning or halving contests consistently. Our small forwards -2 of three anyway - were $$@ing useless. And they're slow and apply no pressure. Fantasia is a joke.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #17 – May 03, 2024, 10:43:02 pm

Too much talk from last week and i was worried we would get ahead of ourselves which i think we did. Still not quite there with the big boys and a lot of work to do to be a genuine top 4 team. Was shown up tonight by a even professional outfit who don't rely on superstars but even contributors.

Rely too much on our big forwards and need more avenues to goal and a better spread as we are too predictable.

Not sure what voss was thinking playing the useless number 14. Serious wtf. I like voss but his persistence with a bloke that provides nothing is looking bad on many fronts imo. And starting kennedy as a sub was another call that smacks of arrogance.have another 2 hard matches ahead and play like tonight and we wont win either.

Feeling very flat after that one.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #18 – May 03, 2024, 10:43:55 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on May 03, 2024, 10:41:34 pm

Pitto not up to it? FMD dunno what games youre watching.

Same one - but I dont care about center bounce work - can get a 9ft banana to do that - but his work around the ground and he was dead crap horrible.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #19 – May 03, 2024, 10:46:01 pm

That last goal looked like a set play gone wrong. Pitto was arguing with someone after it. Again - system broke down under pressure.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #20 – May 03, 2024, 10:46:28 pm

Pies played the big moments well, leading tackle makers were Pendlebury, Nick Daicos and Crisp which would surprise a few people but probably showed even their showboat players like Daicos worked a bit harder than we thought they would.
Both teams had a lot of non contributors but I felt some of ours did nothing at all unlike a few of their quiet stars who at least competed. Backline worries me when Weitering is out of the play and we are relying on the likes of Williams, Young, Cowan and Cincotta. Need Saad and McGovern back to provide stability and Kemp is a better player than all four I mentioned and dropping him was dumb imho. Not the end of the world and when we get our main troops back including Martin and Motlop we will be ok.
Fantasia and Durdin might not as well have been playing as their contributions were zero.....

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #21 – May 03, 2024, 10:48:14 pm

Lost three games now because we persisted with something "unique" a la two rucks which is broken giving contracts to bananas that are just really poor AFL quality...and got beaten as we lack run on all three occassions. Here's hoping things change and fast.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #22 – May 03, 2024, 10:48:21 pm

Well that was putrid. How we only lost by one goal is beyond me.

So much for tough guy Voss being livid after last week and reading the riot act.

Too many arrogant softc0cks out there tonight.

Acres leaving Pendlebury in search of a goal saving highlight summed it up. And then he tried to blame his teammates for not doing the job for him.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #23 – May 03, 2024, 10:48:50 pm

At least Kemp can actually defend and take a grab, who was the third tall/intercept tonight?

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #24 – May 03, 2024, 10:49:23 pm

We looked tired and slow after qtr time and pies looked fresh.

We coming from a 6 day break and pies had 8 days.

Extract from ABC this week below may have some merit.

"When a side has two days less rest than their opponent they are likely to perform just under a goal worse than expectation when they are the home team, and about half that when they are the away team. They're not big numbers on the surface, but when you're looking at hundreds or thousands of results it suggests there's something there."

Next week another 6 day break where dees have 5.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #25 – May 03, 2024, 10:49:30 pm

Midfield didn't do enough. Out worked. With no JDG and Mitchell we should have dominated in the middle.

38-61 inside 50's. Really lucky to be so close in the end. Can't blame the defense on this one.

We really miss Martin. He seems like a one week injury for the last 8 weeks.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #26 – May 03, 2024, 10:51:04 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 link=msg=412276

Not the end of the world …

You do realise we just lost to Collingwood?

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #27 – May 03, 2024, 10:53:13 pm

Quote from: Professer E on May 03, 2024, 10:46:01 pm

That last goal looked like a set play gone wrong. Pitto was arguing with someone after it. Again - system broke down under pressure.

Walsh just didn't honour Daicos, the Fox blokes were all over it.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #28 – May 03, 2024, 10:54:06 pm

Pressure rating in that 2nd qtr was 145. That's about a slow as it gets. Just a bit of consistent workrate and we win that, and a couple of the previous losses.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #29 – May 03, 2024, 10:58:04 pm

Ill start with some very ordinary free goals gidted to the pies by the umpires. In a 6 point game when we were on top that was important. Particularly when we dont get them back for holds.

Now going back to the teams and the systems or lack thereof. We are relying on a lot of overlap run and handball. It worked for a quarter and then the pies setup differently. Their system gives team space to hang themselves unless each disposal is perfect. We got through enoigh to keep playing that way but they were effectively able to build pressure on the ball carrier as time went on because we kept running it through the corridor and couldnt get the release kick forward.

This results in the dump kicks, and lack of ability to see free targets up field.

The pies systems in the centre are interesting. The rucks actually dont attempt to win the tap. They play to halve it and then dictate where the ball lamds ofd either ruck. They also position themselves so that the ball will land to our advantage inside the contest and theirs outside. This results in more repeat stoppages, and lack of ability to break through. You find space at the back, where their high half forwards run back to pressure the clearance. Results in more ball going their way more often.

Fundamentally they are a better drilled and smarter football team. That being said the amount of illegal holding, shepherds that they get away with is outrageous including simply dumping the ball out of a tackle.

Realistically they could have put us away with netter kicking. We could have pinched it bbut when the scores are level harry takes a good strong mark in front of moore and inexplicably kicks it across the top of fifty to no one in particular. Pies rebound. Repeat forward stoppage and the eventual setup to get daicos clear and kick the winning goal.

Its a shame, they ran that play earlier and it worked then for a snap goal. We need to get smarter in a hurry.