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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Voting 2025 AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Brisbane
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Hard to know what to make of the Acres decision. Certainly has been in poor form, like most of his team mates, but his effort and work rate is huge.
^^Ergo, age isnt the issue which is my main contention.
Good players can play into their mid 30s
People calling Doc to retire....I don't agree with it. He is a natural footballer that is out of form - probably not top 15 on the list but is top 25-30. If his body allows him to run, jump and crack into contests he should play on. If not then he needs to call it a day.
If we don't get Marshall there's some really good ruck/forwards in this year's draft. Plus Skull shows promise. We'll be ok.
I was within the four walls during the Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse and Teague coaching stints and I have no doubt that Pagan and Malthouse lost (or never had) the players, which did not seem to be the case with either Teague or Ratten.
Right. This would give you a unique insight. Why do you think this seems to be a problem at Carlton (I'm speaking of Malthouse and Pagan) when these successful premiership coaches were well regarded and did not appear to "lose the players" at their previous clubs ?
Carlton players must be a very unique breed. Malthouse did not seem to lose the players at Footscray, or West Coast, or Collingwood. Then suddenly he gets to Carlton.....
Pagan didn't seem to lose the players throughout his junior coaching days (fantastic record), didn't seem to lose the players at North. Then suddenly he comes to Carlton.......
I remain highly skeptical that the typical discourse(s) conducted by supporters bears much resemblance at all to the discourse conducted by football people within the four walls.
Sorry but I don't buy it. I should make it clear that my ire is not directed at you.
One has to legitimately wonder if there exists a Guinness World Records entry for lost players. The number of Carlton coaches that seem to "lose the players" is staggering, not only for the frequency with which it it occurs, but the brief time period between occurrences. Every few years, we hear about losing the players. Pagan, Malthouse, Teague, Bolton, now Voss. They don't seem to get lost at other clubs.
That said this is the best looking group of juniors we've had for a while, at least they're competitive this year.
We got to see more of Moir's footy IQ. Much better game. Put his hand up.
Frankie E was dangerous and also put his hand up, which probably means we'll promote Durdin.
Liked Charleson's game, coming along nicely. Not yet.
For mine, Lemmey still doesn't have enough 'authority' in his game... close, though. Nothing to lose giving him serious consideration - give him a taste. We already know what we're getting with Young (the obvious spot to be filled by Lemmey).
Boyd, Carroll, Moir are good kicks of the football... there is no excuse kicking the can down the road and not trying to fill this important role despite players missing.
I thought Binns was alright, but clearly didnt do what he was expected to (which might have been to hold position out wide, rather than get sucked into contests).
This is going to be ugly, unless we can really turn things around.Can we forfeit?
Do we persist with Voss or not?