Carlton Supporters Club

Still don't get the fascination for Evans, Young & White.

Quote from: madbluboy – on June 21, 2025, 05:57:33 pm

We don't need a full rebuild. We can turn this around for next season if we make the right moves.

Totally agree.  But we need to find better foot soldiers.  And create a development plan that produces better foot soldiers.

I think Voss's big error is he is putting too much hope in the fact that a handful of A-Graders can constantly drag the whole team over the line.

Once you get past our top 10, we are very poor.

I've seen this before with coaches who were gun players themselves (apart from a couple of exceptions like Barassi and Matthews) - they never get the best out of the average list players, because they don't understand the mind-set needed to be a role player in a team.

That's why the coaches with the best record are often average footballers who had to work so hard to get a kick and think far more about the game - Hardwick, Clarkson, Beveridge, the Scotts, even Malthouse, Pagan and Hafey.

They know exactly what it takes for a role-player to be effective in a team, and they structure that way.

We will never be a serious challenger while we have superstars surrounded by spuds - who end up being the weakest link.  The spuds don't turn into chips, and the superstars get increasingly disenchanted.

Quote from: pinot – on June 21, 2025, 11:38:27 pm

List needs to be semi nuked.
Cripps to WCE - too many slow players in the midfield and WCE will pay up
McKay to Melbourne/Sydney/Brisbane - is becoming more blatant by the day
Motlop and Kemp trade
TDK - trade
Docherty, Evans, White, Fantasia, McGovern, Cincotta - delist

Need as many future picks (2026) as possible before Tasmania

Cripps no! Talk about destroying team morale.
Motlop yes
Kemp no
McKay no but Curnow ....
TDK YES
McGovern and Cinc no the rest yes
Walsh no

We just have too many key players injured.
Voss is coaching with one arm tied behind his back.
Needs better assistants, heaps better.

for years we have been to SLOW like i  said weeks ago we need  3 Chris yarran in the side (before the trouble )

Is Carroll doing ok Dorra?

Quote from: JonDorotich – on April 04, 2025, 07:09:15 pm

We all feel the pain of failure

The good news is that we have enough players with currency that would allow us to trade our way into a completely different side - I know this is extreme, but what sort of side could we put together if we traded every player on our list with currency and recruited young/developing players in their place?

I know that wouldn’t be easy but would we improve? Would our list be more balanced?

Something to think about.

I hope we're not at that stage yet but....
I don't think it's completely without merit
Target players who are consistent in terms of output, work ethic and importantly durability.
They don't have to be flashy types, but are solid posession winners and reasonably skilled.

Build a champion team rather than a team of champions.
But you're right, it wouldn't be easy...it would be a big job and take a skilful recruiter ....and it could be painful in terms of the players we let go.

Quote from: Baggers – on March 29, 2025, 01:41:42 pm

Just a bunch of really honest, hard-working triers with some terrific moments let down badly by the bottom six to eight players? Are we back in the honourable losses and brave efforts niche? Making the 8 seems miles away.

Nailed it.

We were sold a slow long to cut to the bone rebuild to have sustained deep finals action for 4-5 years with the hope of getting a few flags while in that window. Well its a failure as that is clearly not going to happen without wholesale changes to the list and if TDK leaves we have another hole in it to fill.

30 years between flags and still look miles off.