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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Wow a 10 goal hiding at HT

2 things stand out
1. We have no athleticism - Harry McKay looks like he hasn’t had a meal for 6 months, Elijah Hollands is flat footed and aside from being poorly disciplined off the field, is also very average in the field. In fact both Hollands brothers are very average
2. A number of our listed players look a lot worse than VFl also rans -  Francis Evans, Billy Wilson etc query whether we’re picking the best available player. Harry OFarrell’s Dad is the club lawyer, Ben and Lucas’ Dad played for the club, Elijah’s brother played for the club - are we selecting the best player?? Wtf is going on.

The only ray of hope is Carroll and that’s it!

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
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We all feel the pain of failure

The good news is that we have enough players with currency that would allow us to trade our way into a completely different side - I know this is extreme, but what sort of side could we put together if we traded every player on our list with currency and recruited young/developing players in their place?

I know that wouldn’t be easy but would we improve? Would our list be more balanced?

Something to think about.

I hope we're not at that stage yet but....
I don't think it's completely without merit
Target players who are consistent in terms of output, work ethic and importantly durability.
They don't have to be flashy types, but are solid posession winners and reasonably skilled.

Build a champion team rather than a team of champions.
But you're right, it wouldn't be easy...it would be a big job and take a skilful recruiter ::) ....and it could be painful in terms of the players we let go.


Agree with this and others views that our current recruiting team couldn’t get it done.

Of course in reality you may choose 3-4 players to trade rather than every player - in any event, the whole concept is depressing but it feels like or reality.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
We all feel the pain of failure

The good news is that we have enough players with currency that would allow us to trade our way into a completely different side - I know this is extreme, but what sort of side could we put together if we traded every player on our list with currency and recruited young/developing players in their place?

I know that wouldn’t be easy but would we improve? Would our list be more balanced?

Something to think about.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
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Just a bunch of really honest, hard-working triers with some terrific moments let down badly by the bottom six to eight players? Are we back in the honourable losses and brave efforts niche? Making the 8 seems miles away.

Nailed it.

We were sold a slow long to cut to the bone rebuild to have sustained deep finals action for 4-5 years with the hope of getting a few flags while in that window. Well its a failure as that is clearly not going to happen without wholesale changes to the list and if TDK leaves we have another hole in it to fill.

30 years between flags and still look miles off.

We’re hard to beat but not good enough to win
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
I really don’t think that we could have played much better given our game plan and the troops on the ground.

Haynes was ok last night and his one notable clanger resulted from Walsh hand passing to him when he was under immense pressure - that’s on Walsh.

Notwithstanding a couple of goals from Young, the group of Evans, Young, McGovern and now unfortunately Docherty won’t take us forward and as others have said we’ll need to experiment - more tweaks than wholesale changes.

Players that I’d like to introduce are as follows
- Matt Carroll for Docherty/Williams (if injured). Looks like he can play and has some dash.
- Corey Durdin or Ashton Moir for Evans. Durdin was a very exciting prospect only 2 years ago and Moir has class that’s hard to come by but needs to lift his intensity
- Binns or Wilson or Campo or Lord based on form.
- Lemmey for Young/Mckay - I’m not at all sold on Lemmey but we all know that Young is not the answer, so worth a try.

McGovern is a hard one / we all look at him and see pace, ability to intercept and distribute but the reality is that he simply can’t hold structure and his decision making is appalling -Silvagni, Weitering and Haynes provide enough tall cover down back, with the run of Saad, Carroll, Boyd and potentially Binns or Wilson. We need some young boys to stand up.

A forward line of Lemmey or Mackay, Curnow, Kemp, Moir/Motlop, Durdin, Fog is better.

Getting Evans, Yoiung, McGovern and Docherty out of the side may help and we’ll then need to clear out Fanatasia, Haynes along with these guys at year end. Hollands is just a player/very average  and if we’re any good he won’t be making the side.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
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Moir makes most sense and after him I would have taken Binns before Evans,  even in Evans preferred position.

To be honest I just don’t get Evans based on current VFL form (bad) or past performances (bad)

Moir barely touched the ball and Binns was average in their VFL game.  Evans was excellent in the VFL in terms of the defensive pressure he applied … and that’s his job.

I just see more upside in Moir
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
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Francis Evans in - it’s too much

Haynes, Young, Evans. WTF is going on?

Go through the entire list.

Rank them in order from most games played.
Pick the first 23 players that are not on the injuries list (or have personal leave)

Those 23 players are the exact blokes in the side.

So why?
Thats who we have available..

Moir makes most sense and after him I would have taken Binns before Evans,  even in Evans preferred position.

To be honest I just don’t get Evans based on current VFL form (bad) or past performances (bad)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
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Lost by 4
 BH 11-14- 80 Carlton 12-4-76

Boyd had 23 at 82% efficiency, a few errors but, probably enough to earn a senior spot.

Camporeale had 13 (10 in the last) but also a 'few' errors (46% disposal)
Needs a few weeks at this level but hopefully a whole game next time around.

Moir got a goal in the last and gave another one away but with seven disposals nowhere near enough.

Binns-had 21 disposals but not a very pretty 21.
Evans, White, Wilson didn't do enough for promotion.

Lemmey...Not for a while yet...possibly a long while.

Of the Non-Carlton listed.
Will Hayes had a ton of ball, Liked the ruckman Riley, McMahon 4 goals and Matty Hogg's boy Darcy went OK.

Good summary
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
A couple of observations

Jordan Boyd a little rusty but probably enough for a call up.

For those calling for Lemmey to come into our senior side, he’s a mile off it - he simply gets pushed aside way too easily. Nice kicking style, plenty of run but needs more time in the gym.

Ben Camporeale can get the ball but he has a very awkward ball drop/kicking style that could be prone to inaccuracy. He’s a watch.

Moir all class but just didn’t get involved often enough. Not enough to warrant a senior call up and needs to increase his intensity.

Francis Evans/Will White - VFL is the perfect fit for both. A complete and utter mystery why these guys are on our senior list.

Billy Wilson needs to execute simple plays more consistently. A work in progress.

Harry Charleson didn’t see him often enough to comment.

All in all not a lot to get excited about!


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
I may have missed a comment in this thread however one player who seems to have escaped scrutiny is Elijah Hollands.

He’s been ok over the H&A rounds, however he is painfully slow across the ground and often takes too long to dispose of the ball. And, when the heat was on in the first half he was miles off the pace - I’m not convinced at all.

He’s also yet another player that just doesn’t present like an AFL footballer who has done the work in the gym - you can also add Fantasia, Oliver Hollands, Young and to a lesser extent McGovern & Newman to that list.

The new fitness bloke from the swans is going to have a laugh when he sees our crew.