Carlton v Essendon (home game)
Saturday, 30 August@13:45
MCG
I don't hold much hope for this one. Hopefully a nice warm day.
Is Murphy out for this game?
I said before the Port game that it would be a stinker and it was. I also said we would smash the Cheating Scum and we will. Nothing surer.
Won't be going due to my current boycott of Bummer games. Season now over AFAIC.
Our team will look like a Northern Blues outfit if Murph and Yazz don't get up.
Big crowd hopefully at the G, get the see how the kids hold up
Just don't lose by more than 10 goals. 2 crushing defeats is just how we don't want to end a season.
Understandable. Win, lose or draw, Essendon are still Drug Cheats and won't even admit to it.
I think that the NB's team from April would be stronger on paper than the senior team is now. We have very few fit guys even close to available.
Put it this way, if the Cheats don't win, then karma has come early.
Speaking of karma Crash...that bus hit McCaffer right between the eyes today...another reco...he won't be cheating again next year.
I don't wish injury on anyone, even the Essendon subhumans, but when you look at some of the things that have happened recently, karma appears to be on the increase. Weeks for Boomer Harvey, injuries to McAffer and Collingwood, etc.
Now it would be nice to see us getting a little of what we deserve: victory.
Then again, maybe I'm dreaming and have Blue coloured glasses.
I share your frustrations Crash. After what the karma gods have served us for the last 15 years, a one point victory next week, from a bodgy free kick by a maligned player after the siren (perhaps even a double goal) would go some ways towards evening an account that is tilted alarmingly in their favour.
I would like us to be 2 points up, with the ball on the wing and the siren goes giving us a win. Only to have Ray pay a dodgy free kick to Heppell after the siren.
Still it seems ass we have won it only to have Ray have one of his "look at me" moments and sting us with a 50m penalty which puts Heppell 20m out on a slight angle, where he then proceeds slot the goal but sprays it enough to get close to the post.
The umpire goes to give a goal but the controlling umpire calls for a replay. It's inconclusive but the video reviewer overrules it, decides its a point and we win by 1pt
>:D
That would make up for about half of the crap.
Wouldnt a dream run and leg up by the umpires be nice next week. The win will be even sweeter.
No really fussed about the result, all I want to see is that bully boy, sniper who crossed from StKilda walk off the ground limping from all the 'attention' that we give him.
His actions against Buckley earlier in the year require some Touy, Casboult, Carrazzo, attention, with a little bit of Sheehan input to see what he can do as well.
Catch cry for the match, 'Get The Sook!'
Only one sniper in that side and that is Mr P Ryder. Always bullies blokes alot smaller than him also. Needs a good centre bounce knee in the throat nice and early by Cas or Woody.
I don't wish ill on anybody either but Ryder has committed so many dog acts on our small blokes over the years that I would shed no tears if he was to come off second best from a contest.
Agree on Ryder but if you notice its always vs players half his size and when faced with anyone bigger he runs away... watched him vs Ty Vickery and he copped one to the jaw and didnt want to go on with it all......Hocking is another sniper who bullies smalls like Murphy but wont man up when its someone more agressive. Remember Hodge gave him one and Hocking sooked on the ground and was happy to stay there.
Goddard just annoys me and if copped one from any opposing player I would be happy...if there is one player who whinges more to umpies than Goddard I havent seen him yet.
We also owe him for roughing up Dylan Buckley...our little bloke stood up for himself but he had to as Jamison who was closest was next to useless in letting Goddard know who was boss.
Its time to recuit some harder bigger bodies players and give other teams like Essendon a working over and let other teams know the old days are over and we wont be bullied...
Only thing is the harder bigger bodies are lacking a little skill (Robbo, White).
The "Old Days"? I think we might have few of them left EB, but not as many as we used to have ;)
We'd should have available Everitt, Thomas, Jeffy, Brock, Cripps, Armfield and maybe even Robbo for this game against cheats.com.au
I reckon we are in with a huge chance to beat the shizen out of this mob.
Baggers, Mick in his Message to the Masses today stated that there would not be many changes possible to the team from last Friday's game, maybe a "couple coming in from the seconds" to use his words. Sooo, who knows I guess?
Hope he's playing ducks and drakes. Love to see us go into this game with the best 22 we can put together... and that would have to include Everitt and Daisy at least - depending on how they get through training this week. Reckon Jeffy is a monty.
Man, if Geelong has a major slip up and we're staring the bottom 4 in the face.
We are in a position where we can win no matter what happens.
If we lose and other teams around us win, we can get a better pick, 2 places better. It isn't likely, but it is possible. GWS and WB can even draw for us to drop down.
If we win, then we can't get a worse pick. We also have the ability to derail Essendon's finals' campaign at the very start. That is very nice.
To be brutally honest, we don't have the cattle available to EXPECT a win. However, but for last weekend, we've shown enough to make Essendon quake in their drug filled boots.
It is NEVER a bad thing to beat the B*mbers.
Malthouse could use the game as our GF, as we are so not going to be there at the end of September. Nor do we have to worry about the NB's as their season has finished.
Port took us out early last week: something we need to avoid.
Whatever happens, I am not going to miss 2014. It has been a year ruined by strategic injuries and poor early form. Hopefully we have learnt enough lessons that we will not repeat this season next year.
Yep 2014 can FO already. We may have already seen Robbo and Jeffy play their last game in Blue, could very well be Jarrad Waite's last game in Blue as well. It's the end of an era.
You know in noughties we were in poor shape but we always had that belief that the club would turn things around and once again become a force. We were on the way only to see them pull the trigger on Ratts after an injury riddled season in what was a terrible decision in hindsight IMO anyway I understand others disagree. That's not the point I'm trying to make though. We've seen just a glimmer of hope of the last part of the season, something to cling on to for 2015 but if 2015 was another year like this one then who knows where to from there? Another coach, a spill of the board? 2015 simply has to work out well for this club or we may find ourselves lost for another decade or longer. We are on the verge of becoming the next Richmond.
We will "smash em like guitars".
PI2C is right... This season can fark off.
Don't think we will win, just hope no one does a knee.
Heard Jamo on SEN earlier - he reckons we will be certainly "going for it". Let's just see eh! ;)
If the Bulldogs lose this round their tanking !!
As for our game, I would love nothing more than to totally obliterate these guys.
I'm afraid we will be lucky to even walk away with a win. :(
Onward and upward in 2015 !!!
Carlisle out, and Goddard and Heppell looking a bit dodgy
Reckon we ll still get done though.
Last weeks embarrassment destroyed any hope and confidence our form from the previous month or so had provided..
I really think we'll be keen to end our year on a positive so I think we'll see all out effort from the boys. We'll have to be on our mettle for 4Qs - if we are we're in with a chance.
I just hope its not another close loss against these pr!cks. They always seem to do us over in the close ones.
This game would have some meaning if winning it would knock the scum out of the finals.
Not liking our chances.
We look shot. I for one can't wait till the misery of this year ends. A 150th year the club wishes it would forget.
They d be looking at playing bruise free footy to avoid pre Finals injuries.
Right up our alley!!
We could still "knock them out of the finals" Carrots, more than one way to skin the cat. ;)
In, Watson Brock, Army
Out, Holman, Graham, Johnson
Out with the new and in with the old................are those 3 ins in the last chance saloon?
watson and army are ..but both under contract for 1 more year each...
:-\
Carrots to tag Heppells dodgy hand. Use his broken shoulder on it at every opportunity. >:D
Performance enhancing drugs will do that.
CARLTON v ESSENDON, MCG, Saturday August 30, 1.45pm (AEST)
Carlton
B Zach Tuohy, Michael Jamison, Sam Rowe
HB Ciaran Sheehan, Sam Docherty, Kade Simpson
C Tom Bell, Andrew Carrazzo, Ed Curnow
HF Chris Yarran, Levi Casboult, Troy Menzel
F Simon White, Jarrad Waite, Marc Murphy
FOL Cameron Wood, Chris Judd, Bryce Gibbs
I/C Dennis Armfield, Kane Lucas, Brock McLean, Matthew Watson
EMG Patrick Cripps, Nick Holman, Blaine Johnson
IN Dennis Armfield, Brock McLean, Matthew Watson
OUT Nick Graham (Omitted), Nick Holman (Omitted), Blaine Johnson (Omitted)
Essendon
B Mark Baguley, Cale Hooker, Michael Hibberd
HB Dyson Heppell, Michael Hurley, Jason Winderlich
C Ben Howlett, Jobe Watson, Travis Colyer
HF Brendon Goddard, Patrick Ambrose, David Zaharakis
F Zach Merrett, Joe Daniher, Paul Chapman
FOL Patrick Ryder, David Myers, Heath Hocking
I/C Brent Stanton, Courtenay Dempsey, Martin Gleeson, Tom Bellchambers
EMG Orazio Fantasia, Jake Melksham, Ariel Steinberg
IN Dyson Heppell, Martin Gleeson, Tom Bellchambers
OUT Orazio Fantasia (Omitted), Jake Carlisle (Hamstring), Ariel Steinberg (Omitted)
They want to play half fit players, that is up to them. I wouldn't have, but I am conservative: I like my players to get through games. I hope we give them what Vlad Tepes gave his Turkish prisoners.
x2 what are we doing.?....surely you would have played Graham and Holman...the former has been ok of late and showing some good signs and nothing irks me more than a
kid being dropped after one game...make him the sub if you want to but this isnt development.
Our on paper centerline is a worry...
Odds on that there will be changes to both teams before the first bounce
I'll be rocking up but I can't see a win here, Essendon looks too slick across most of the ground, Bellchambers and Ryder V Wood and Casboult is no contest.
Armfield is shot, no idea why they picked him, he hasn't played a decent senior game all season.
Would have liked to see Cripps get a gig, named as emergency so maybe.
OMG how does Graham get dropped for Brock and Armfield. A perfect opportunity to get another game into young Nick and Mick plays the tossa as per usual. Sure Graham was not much chop last week but who as? Disgraceful decision.
Puzzling to me too, I think we should have stuck with Graham for this one. Smacks of a very conservative approach to shore things up for the year rather than looking to the future.
Totally agree and you can add Holman and Johnson to that list as well...these kids are the future of the club and we have to invest in them....
Brock and Armfield will be playing NB's next year and I reckon Watson is getting the display case game in case another team is stupid enough to make an offer for him during the trade period..
Are you guys for real ? Should we be just be gifting games to players just because they re kids ?
All 3 have of the outs had a taste of senior footy... have seen what standard is required, and haven't been up to it (Hollman was like a dear in headlights). They now know how hard they have to work in the pre season to get to AFL standard.
I'm ok with the changes, Id like our last game of the year to be a competitive effort rather then yet another blow out as it probably would ve been if we d gone with the kids again like last week.
Letting the season just burn out with uncompetitive efforts like we used to in the Pagan years (and like Melbourne are doing now) serves no purpose.
He's been given a fair run starting on the ground in the last month or so, and hasn't really shown much.
1 game in the seniors is going to teach them more than 20 games running around in the 2s against guys who are not up to it and trying to understand WTF Webster is on about.
The give them a taste approach I think is good when you have a strong team and Alan Richardson in charge of development. Not when you need to develop that core of players. They need time together.
Agreed, when you stop picking teams to win games you may as well run up the white flag, tanking is for other clubs.
The three that got dropped were all poor last week, if they had some good form in the bank they might have hung on but they didn't.
Absolute BS Dom he has shown plenty.
Re your comments above, our non competitive effort last week was down to the senior blokes, not Nick Graham or any of the others mentioned. How do you think a first gamer is going to go on a bloke like Robbie Gray? Just dumb coaching to hang the poor kid out to dry by Mick, to his credit Holman fought back well.
If you can't see the benefit in giving another game to Graham who has shown a lot more than the other two I give up, it seems you are just not willing to concede Malhthouse could make a wrong decision....ever.
Why have any kids on the list then? Swap them out for players in their late 20s who are going to perform better in the short term.
I touched on this in a past post - Carlton's recruiting and development has been so woeful we need to face facts and admit where we are at. Right now this club cannot draft and develop players to the standard required. If we cannot trust ourselves to draft and develop then it leaves only one option and that is to trade.
We will have to pay overs but at least we are somewhat guaranteed of what we're getting. If our research reveals that Tom Boyd is the chosen one then we pay overs to get him and say oh well that's what it costs. I am not saying this is a desirable outcome for our club but this is where we are at. In this case we don't play 'the kids' unless they are hand selected trades (buy ins) that we believe are going to be in our next premiership quest. The Docherty situation was one were we obtained I think value for a long term solution but in the case of your elite players you have to pay.
Judd cost us but was he worth it? I think yes and if we can find a KPP that is this decades 'Judd' we pay again. Yes it is a sad indictment on the clubs recruiting but how much of this is culture where we have always gone out and got the best as needed? If we adopt the philosophy then we don't have many kids to play but rather ready recruits who can or should be able to play today.
There's a big difference between having a lot of kids on the list and having kids on the list who will develop into AFL footballers.
If kids are showing plenty in the VFL and take their chance when given a go at senior level then they will stay in the senior team, which is why Sheehan is still in the side.
Holman showed squat, Johnson played a reasonable game against the wooden spooners but has shown nothing since, Graham has shown a bit but not enough.
There are more players who play less than 50 games than more.
You're contradicting yourself B4L. No way Armfield has shown more than Graham, he was hopeless when he came on as sub vs the Cats. Gave us zilch.
You can't b!tch about him not playing the kids and then b!tch about losing by 100 points when he does.
Who are you talking to?
He didn't play the kids by choice, that's all that was left. Let's not give him credit for something he didn't do.
Absolutely stupid decision to drop the three youngsters. Armfield, like his hair is cr@p. In fact I have always said that he was cr@p. For every good thing he ever did in a game, he counteracted that by making 10 errors. Brock can't run, and his decision making in the last 10 games when he has played has been disgraceful. Watson, well I never thought I'd say this, but he makes Sam Rowe AT HIS WORST, look like a champion.
Yes, I agree that Rowe has improved somewhat. he still lacks mongrel, and he still stops dead after he either takes a mark or has gone for the ball and has missed it. It's as if his brain can't get into gear enough to tell him what to do next. Watch him this week and you will see what I mean.
It may not appear so, but I would love us to beat the cheats. But when weighing up whether I want to win, or play the young blokes, I'd go for the young blokes every time.
And lets be very honest here. Does anyone really believe that the three inclusions are going to be the difference between a win or a loss?
Too early to tell anything with Holman. We simply can't comment there. Same with Graham. Graham looks like he'll be decent eventually as will Cripps.
I'll be interested in Watson up forward tomorrow. He actually looked the part in the VFL last week as a forward, way better than as a defender, both on the lead and in one on one body contests. Got 3.1 (behind was a crap miss) from the most limited opportunities that one could possibly imagine. Hopefully can do that in the AFL too.
We may need Watson playing forward next year if Waite goes so that's possibly why he's getting the call up?
Yes, I think so too.
We need to get Kristian Jaksch if we can.
OK then.... Lets put up a non AFL ready midfield of Graham, Hollman, Cripps etc against Watson, Heppell etc, get belted by 100 points again, and say, 'well done lads, you re developing well!! That tactic is worked so well for Melbourne.
No I understand with the other two Dom, TBH I don't think Johnson has shown that much and he looked spent in the second term last week but Graham is ready to develop in the seniors and Mick has been a class A prick to him all season starting him as sub then dropping him a good 3-4 times. To again drop him for Armfield who was woeful vs the Cats makes no sense. He hasn't played Armfield all year and now he wants him in for the last game at the expense of a bloke who has shown he may have what it takes. It's just a load of bulltish to me. Of course there could be a few late withdrawals but if there's not I call BS on the whole thing.
Wouldn't ve minded one last look at Cripps instead of Armfield to be honest.
Do we really believe the kids were the issue in the 100 point belting and that the inclusion of McLean and Army would have made a lick of difference to that result?
What do we want? Graham, Holman, et al having 40 games between them in a year or two's where they've played together or Brock and co getting them and then getting delisted so we have nothing to show for it. We're percentage out of the bottom four if anyone has noticed
Coach... Contract..
If it wasn't for the fact that it's Essendon the game wouldn't really mean much.
but it would be great to send them into the finals with a negative result.
It would be nice to think our players would feel the same but it's hard to know whether they feel the rivalry as much as the supporters do.
A lot of the reason for the hatred of things black and red stems from before this playing list was assembled.
It's been a long year, players will be looking forward to the rest ,and the selections shouldn't make much of a difference.
One game for players like Holman, Johnson,and Graham isn't going to make or break them.They've all had a bit of a taste this year
There will be plenty of time for lessons and opportunities in 2015.
Strange decision to play Armfield and Broke. Graham and Cripps should be playing this game
Well at least Graham should have been retained.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if Brock is a last minute withdrawal.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2014-08-29/cfc-tv-from-the-vault-fevs-clinic
The day Fevalenko flicked the switch! Ahhhh those were the days! Come on Blues, fire up !
Dom...Heppell has a bung hand, Goddard isnt fit and I am not sure if Watson will be knocking himself out in the last game before the finals after being injured for so long...more ideal conditions than most games.
Armfield is only a good VFL player and was hopeless last time he played.....hit the opposition more times than he hit our players
Watson is non AFL ready given his last game which bordered on being embarrassing for him and everyone who viewed what was train wreck in terms of performance.
Brock must be the only sub I have seen who was subbed on who couldnt keep up with the opposing players who had played the 100 minutes.....
This game doesnt mean much to us and I reckon would have less heat on it than most Carl vs Ess games.....reckon its the ideal time to blood young players and have them learn..
Graham was ineffective, Armfield was the best of a sorry lot in the VFL last weekend.
I said before I can't understand how he got picked, but I can understand how the three young blokes got dropped.
The cupboard is pretty bare at the moment.
Don't mind the Armfield and Watson selections. They were terrific last week given the circumstances. Armfield had an ordinary year but had a great one last year, his best,when he was one of the first picked. Playing well, he adds pace, run, grunt and tacking pressure. This year added nothing, injuries not helping, but last week was great in a awful side, and deserves another go on that. Really worked damn hard.
Watson we just needed to see up forward in the seniors. Should've tried it after Henderson got injured. Would've liked to see Cripps instead of McLean though.
If there is a God.......... oh PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us beat this mob !
Go Blues.
WTF Graham not even a sub??
All of a sudden, a feeling of optimism!
There is a balance to that team that has been absent since Hendo got injured!
Thanks GITC....made my day...6 minutes of pure GOLD.... :)
Looks like Cripps gets his chance to shine, Murphy didn't come up
He never was going to come up.
Watson is contracted for next year. IF, and it's a huge IF he can make it as a forward, then Waite can go with my blessings to North.
Yarran can't hit a target with those little passes of his. That's the difference between a good player and a very good player.
Going o.k. at the moment. Hope i haven't spoken too soon.
Obviously, no one else on here watching the game!! ::) ::)
Watson to full-forward ............ I tipped this Louie !!
You're a genius TED ;) ;) ;D
Long time since I was so orgasmic. I'm enjoying this. Hope it lasts a lot longer than I normally do. ::) ::) :'(
someone just punch heppel's hand in a marking contest and rule him out for finals!
Simmo gave up there for a sec, very uncharacteristic.
MATTY WATSON YOU RIPPER !!!
Nice start, hope we can continue on and beat the cheats.
Been watching Yarran closely all year and I know most of you know that he has got no idea about defending, but he is a real liability when you need defensive pressure put on. He's the best around the neck free kick giver in our club. Not sure if he'll ever get better either.
Look out, here they come !!
We are under siege right now, have to hold firm and play the percentages.
Sneak in for a goal against the tide too !!
Watson Senior said that "if only White knew how much time he had before he kicked". I know it was a looooong time ago, but when I played, I always knew who was around me from the opposition. How White didn't know he was on his own is beyond me. It just displays a lack of awareness. It cost us a goal from Watson at the other end.
Why is it that footballers have to have their hair done in such a way that they look like complete fwits.
Not chasing, not applying pressure, just content to go through the motions in the belief that a 5-goal lead will look after itself.
Gibbs out of the centre, Bell doesn't even put in a contest. CR@P
Been the same all year. We have given up around 6 wins that I can think of doing it.
Daniher bombs from long range and it is all even, how easily have they eroded that hard earnt 1/4 time lead.
"MOONHEAD" WATSON HAS THREE !!!
I screwing hate essendon.
Watched carrots "chasing" Watson at that centre bounce. My 15 month old grandaughter takes bigger steps than what he did.
he had no intention at all of tackling him. Result, goal Bummers.
Your hatred is misplaced my friend.
I hate our total lack of skill and inability to actually hit a target.
I hate our inability to actually put in for four quarters.
First thing I'd do for next year is sack the so called skill coaches.
How was that a free! Goddard is weak as piss!!!
WEAK AS PISS UMPIRE !!!
FFS, a hip & shoulder and he penalises it !!
This game is for girls now.
Well done MacLean... Screw off maggots, you've done enough for that mob of cheats.
Nice for our midfield to start winning some ball or putting some pressure on.
Almost earn McLean a new contract. Couldn't happen to a nicer female impersonator.
The thing is, the umpire didn't blow the whistle straight away, he waited till Goddard hit the deck like a sad sack of crap and then laid there, only then did he deem it worth penalising.
Totally & utterly unacceptable on all levels, may as well bring out the netball bibs next.
He'd need to run around and king hit 5 of them out of the match for me to accept that he has earnt a new contract.
Be nice, Goddard got a big owwie from that one and I'm sure his mum will be talking to Maclean's mum after the game.
Watch again!
Once the free was paid Goddard was about to bounce up and then he thought better of it and went down again.
And speaking of actors
As for the Carlton performance
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Footy 101 - if you're rush kicking out of D50, kick it on the ground as hard as you can, make it roll as much as you can, which makes it harder for the opposition to take a mark or clean possession and gives our players a better chance of regaining possession - our players bomb it long, and invariably it gives the opposition an easy uncontested mark, and the ball just gets fired back.
Our players only need to look at last night's game - watch how Sam Mitchell does it.
Same old spuds stank it up in that 2nd quarter. 13th is where we're at. Very strange atmosphere here at the ground. 80% CheatsFC supporters. Have not heard one barb thrown out there about their cheating ways. Is that the same for all their matches?!? Hope they play a final in Perth so the crowd can make Timmy cry again.
If ever a game sums up our season it's this one.
So frustrating.
After last week, I guess it shouldn't come as too much of a surprise.
Where did this come from all of a sudden ??
Two things.
Firstly Waite has broken his all time record for falling over. 9 times so far today, 3 times in the last 5 minutes. Well done!!
Secondly, Ciaranne Sheehan, forgive the spelling, will be a 10 times better footballer than Zac Touhey at his best.
Waite is coasting today, he doesn't want to get a serious injury before he signs with another club.
Sheehan kicking in from full-back has been very good.
Coasting or not, I don't reckon that in the 60 years that i have followed Carlton, I have ever seen a bloke fall over as much during a game as Waite. If he keeps his feet it's a miracle ;D ;D
Moonhead has four !!
BLUES HIT THE FRONT !!
Gibbs didn't make the distance ???
IT'S BEEN FUN.
SEE YOU NEXT YEAR BOYS!!
Ran too close to man on mark mate.
I thought so too at the time.