Fire away >:(
Go on.
Fire away >:(
lods, I started another identical thread.
The rebuild is on in earnest, it has to be The Sheik's patented "Scorched Earth" policy now, no-one is safe.
Just upload all the comments from our previous pathetic losses >:(
Third straight coach to be sacked after a loss to a Queensland team?
So...we subbed off Buckley to keep those spuds in the forward line on the ground...??
Did people expect any different?
This club may not see out the decade.
Sad. Gibbs looks 10% the player of 2014 and I have no idea why. Jones! I can't put into words the utter disgust for the effort we apply to games, the ease with which teams break from contents against us. Replay should be out right embarrassing for the playing group.
@ Paul...no problems merged them ;)
I don't believe sacking the coach will change much (dead cat bounce). So where to?
Rebuild by trading out the currency?
This club doesn't lack ability. They lack a decent coaching structure from a bloke who is way past it as well as lacking anything close to any "want".
@ Paul...no problems merged them ;)
Big up matey !
This club doesn't lack ability.
Are you serious?
you gotta laugh.
things are so bad, its beyond anger.
whats the judge going to do? have another plate of pasta? lol
SOS the messiah? i dont think so
you gotta laugh.
things are so bad, its beyond anger.
whats the judge going to do? have another plate of pasta? lol
SOS the messiah? i dont think so
I think we have to be realistic and admit where the club is at and it's not pretty.
I think we have to be realistic and admit where the club is at and it's not pretty.
Does this mean we have to hand back the keys?
Will Mick say "we played a very good football side?"
Are we the only team who still plays taggers? Berniie Vince is The only tagging job I can think of?
Are we last?
Are you serious?
Yes I am serious. There's some fair ability in that line up. Problem is right now they are so badly coached it's sucked the life out of them.
If you can't see that well....
Will Mick say "we played a very good football side?"
Are we the only team who still plays taggers? Berniie Vince is The only tagging job I can think of?
Are we last?
17th.
Would Kruezer, Simpson, Menzel, White, Jamison, Henderson, Carrazzo and Yarran have made a difference???
I'm not angry, I got to see Clem Smith play again plus other newbies Buckley, Graham, Jacksch, Whiley, Boekhorst etc.
We still have plenty of players in the senior who are "dead men walking" but this will change at the end of the season.
Bring on the trade & draft period !!!
Would Kruezer, Simpson, Menzel, White, Jamison, Henderson, Carrazzo and Yarran have made a difference???
Injuries only count in 2012.
Would Kruezer, Simpson, Menzel, White, Jamison, Henderson, Carrazzo and Yarran have made a difference???
Maybe today but in the grand scheme of things I would say no.
20 k today...and half were free!
wonder how many nextweek if they are totally free
This club doesn't lack ability. They lack a decent coaching structure from a bloke who is way past it as well as lacking anything close to any "want".
Agree.
I'm not angry, I got to see Clem Smith play again plus other newbies Buckley, Graham, Jacksch, Whiley, Boekhorst etc.
We still have plenty of players in the senior who are "dead men walking" but this will change at the end of the season.
Bring on the trade & draft period !!!
It's funny isn't Sheik, there is no anger. I used to get angry and frustrated when we started losing, I would take it personally, but now I just expect it.
Just FRIGGING EXPECT IT.
What does that say where our club is?
Yes I am serious. There's some fair ability in that line up. Problem is right now they are so badly coached it's sucked the life out of them.
If you can't see that well....
There's ability in every side, we had a sprinkling of top players when we were winning wooden spoons.
Today's team was one of the weakest Carlton sides I can remember, if you can't see that well..........
Would Kruezer, Simpson, Menzel, White, Jamison, Henderson, Carrazzo and Yarran have made a difference???
Yeah.... Kernahan, Williams, Bradley and Silvagni would make a difference too.... but they didn't play today either.
No excuses... Were are a rabble.
Does this mean we have to hand back the keys?
What do you mean hand back the keys? Are advocating leaving the AFL!?!?
I meant Carlton is more Melbournesque than I think many people wanted to admit and it's been that way for awhile now. Like a drug addict or alcoholic you sometimes have to admit where you're at before you can take a step forward and that's where this club is at right now. The culture is rotten and we have to clean it up from the board level down. Sacking Malthouse and will simply shuffle the chairs about - ask yourself this aside from making people feel momentarily better, what would it achieve? I doubt it's the coach.
Rattan was the only one in the last 10-12 years that seemed to get any spirit going in the group but let's not kid ourselves there were problems then. Underlying problems that whilst kept at bay for year or two ultimately led to his demise.
We have no patience and our list and culture I think are poor. We have failed repeatedly at the draft and with inward looking management we are not prepared to back a strategy and really build a club. If you were building a club from scratch today what would you do? How would you got about it? That's really where Carlton is at.
This club doesn't lack ability. They lack a decent coaching structure from a bloke who is way past it as well as lacking anything close to any "want".
Very true :(
What do you mean hand back the keys? Are advocating leaving the AFL!?!?
I meant Carlton is more Melbournesque than I think many people wanted to admit and it's been that way for awhile now. Like a drug addict or alcoholic you sometimes have to admit where you're at before you can take a step forward and that's where this club is at right now. The culture is rotten and we have to clean it up from the board level down. Sacking Malthouse and will simply shuffle the chairs about - ask yourself this aside from making people feel momentarily better, what would it achieve? I doubt it's the coach.
Rattan was the only one in the last 10-12 years that seemed to get any spirit going in the group but let's not kid ourselves there were problems then. Underlying problems that whilst kept at bay for year or two ultimately led to his demise.
We have no patience and our list and culture I think are poor. We have failed repeatedly at the draft and with inward looking management we are not prepared to back a strategy and really build a club. If you were building a club from scratch today what would you do? How would you got about it? That's really where Carlton is at.
I should've put a ;) at the end.
You right though, we need a big BIG plan to get back to at least on par with Richmond ;) let alone the upper echelon of the ladder ::)
And don't get me started on Nick Graham wearing the green vest FFS what a joke that is.
There's ability in every side, we had a sprinkling of top players when we were winning wooden spoons.
Today's team was one of the weakest Carlton sides I can remember, if you can't see that well..........
Proving you don't know much
Without taking into account current form but on this list is:
Walker
Menzel
Murphy
Gibbs
Judd
Simpson
Kreuzer
Cripps
Yarran
Docherty
Jaksch
Henderson
Bell
Everitt
Curnow
Byrne
Thomas
Jamison
Casboult
Touhy
Not a Hawthorn list but certainly something a half decent coach can easily work with. Certainly not a bottom of the ladder list. If you say that lacks ability then I'll just point and laugh. We are so badly coached right now that we have the life sucked right out of us. Game plan and structure is awful.
I meant Carlton is more Melbournesque than I think many people wanted to admit and it's been that way for awhile now. Like a drug addict or alcoholic you sometimes have to admit where you're at before you can take a step forward and that's where this club is at right now. The culture is rotten and we have to clean it up from the board level down. Sacking Malthouse and will simply shuffle the chairs about - ask yourself this aside from making people feel momentarily better, what would it achieve? I doubt it's the coach.
Parkin appointed Brittain before he left, Elliott hired Pagan as the saviour, Ratten was employed to keep the supporters and members happy and now Malthouse has been employed on reputation.
At no time in the past decade or more have we actually approached selecting a coach with an open mind and taken a methodical approach, every one of them has been appointed to fit the political climate at the club at the time.
Our administration in general has been woeful and where we are now is the product of that.
I should've put a ;) at the end.
You right though, we need a big BIG plan to get back to at least on par with Richmond ;) let alone the upper echelon of the ladder ::)
Richmond's actually working to get on a par with us...lol!!!
Proving you don't know much
Whatever gets you through the night laj.
We've won two elimination finals in 14 years, against Essendon and Richmond, that's where we are as a club.
Pretty appalling game
Looked like half the club didn't want to be out there.
The players have spoken.....and they didn't need to use words.
The players have spoken.....and they didn't need to use words.
I thought they spoke last week?
Someone isn't listening? :o
I'm not angry, I got to see Clem Smith play again plus other newbies Buckley, Graham, Jacksch, Whiley, Boekhorst etc.
Yeah - that Buckley, he's awesome, his dash out of defence & the way he uses the footy......oh wait
......and Jaksch - wow, what's not to like about Jaksch, the way he imposes himself and his kicking......oh wait
......and Whiley, man - what an awesome tagger he is and that pace.......oh wait
......and Boekhorst - great to see him NOT play like Kane Lucas and then kick that clutch goal in the last......oh wait
I'll give you Clem Smith, who finally showed a bit today (despite 2 horrific kicking clangers) & can't comment on Graham due to his usual lack of game-time, but the rest of them you must surely be taking the p!ss....surely.
I thought they spoke last week?
Someone isn't listening? :o
My bad - they repeated themselves then.....
Injuries only count in 2012.
And they still won 11 games.
Any more excuses?
Not to mention, anyone seen Brisbane's injury list??
Whatever gets you through the night laj.
We've won two elimination finals in 14 years, against Essendon and Richmond, that's where we are as a club.
Gets me through the night nicely.
I don't think you were anti-Ratts but he got us to finals 3 years straight. From where we were that was some effort, so let's not worry too much but what we won there. Now gone from 5th to an absolute rabble in 3 years with a similar group of players. You think Mick's ok though....lol!
Almost circular. Rock bottom ------3 years-------> 5th-------3 years------> rock bottom. The gun coaches are the rock bottoms.
When a spud like Josh Green kicks 3 goals, you know you're in trouble......
I guess Robbo has the last laugh?
And they still won 11 games.
Any more excuses?
Yes, and bar that loss to the Gold Coast we still may have made the finals yet again.
......and Jaksch - wow, what's not to like about Jaksch, the way he imposes himself and his kicking......oh wait
Pick 7, another recruiting blunder by the CFC.
Yeah - that Buckley, he's awesome, his dash out of defence & the way he uses the footy......oh wait
......and Jaksch - wow, what's not to like about Jaksch, the way he imposes himself and his kicking......oh wait
......and Whiley, man - what an awesome tagger he is and that pace.......oh wait
......and Boekhorst - great to see him NOT play like Kane Lucas and then kick that clutch goal in the last......oh wait
I'll give you Clem Smith, who finally showed a bit today (despite 2 horrific kicking clangers) & can't comment on Graham due to his usual lack of game-time, but the rest of them you must surely be taking the p!ss....surely.
To be fair the way the better players are playing and the game structure it doesn't give these young blokes much chance. I think those players might end up ok. Best place the blame where it should lie....almost everywhere else.
Pick 7, another recruiting blunder by the CFC.
How do you know it's a blunder 6 games in. We'd all have no idea yet.
To be fair the way the better players are playing and the game structure it doesn't give these young blokes much chance. I think those players might end up ok. Best place the blame where it should lie....almost everywhere else.
Don't worry Iaj......the blame on the senior players is implied, without needing to say anything.....but out of all the youngin's - for mine, Buckley is the biggest worry and there can be no denying that from anyone.
Hey Carlton FC screw YOU! ABSOLUTELY screw YOU! The only game I'll see this year and it was disgusting. I have no other words than screw YOU!
Yeah - that Buckley, he's awesome, his dash out of defence & the way he uses the footy......oh wait
......and Jaksch - wow, what's not to like about Jaksch, the way he imposes himself and his kicking......oh wait
......and Whiley, man - what an awesome tagger he is and that pace.......oh wait
......and Boekhorst - great to see him NOT play like Kane Lucas and then kick that clutch goal in the last......oh wait
I'll give you Clem Smith, who finally showed a bit today (despite 2 horrific kicking clangers) & can't comment on Graham due to his usual lack of game-time, but the rest of them you must surely be taking the p!ss....surely.
You're a hard man Brettie, hard, but on the money!
Smith did show a bit today and I reckon he could be a player. He hasn't quite got the tempo yet. Graham had a dip in the last quarter, but it would be nice to see what he can do in a full game.
To be frank, it would be bloody hard coming in to the Carlton side while the team is going south at a rate of knots.
Don't worry Iaj......the blame on the senior players is implied, without needing to say anything.....but out of all the youngin's - for mine, Buckley is the biggest worry and there can be no denying that from anyone.
Bucks has the ability and the right attitude. He just needs time. That's why we need to be playing him every chance we get.
Brisbane were a shambles - they had won 1 quarter for the year with a percentage of about 50, their coach was manhandling players and looked to have straight out given up hope. Playing away from home.
Yet, 5 minutes into this game you could tell we were going to drop it. Brisbane weren't getting much of it yet they tackled with far more ferocity and when they did get the ball, they moved it with intent and purpose - instead of our kick and hope approach. It was only a matter of time until they got more of the ball and take the game.
As bad a loss for the Carlton football club as any in the AFL era.
Can't wait for kruddler and thry to tell us all the coach isn't the problem.
How do you know it's a blunder 6 games in. We'd all have no idea yet.
His skills are ordinary.
It's as if we took the safe option, better an OK player than stuff up another high draft pick.
Don't worry Iaj......the blame on the senior players is implied, without needing to say anything.....but out of all the youngin's - for mine, Buckley is the biggest worry and there can be no denying that from anyone.
I'd chuck him further up the ground where he can use his pace.......except it would be useless as we play everyone behind the ball.He be running and carrying ti to no-one. Nice work Mick!
Buckley would be one of the first players I would delist.
His skills are ordinary.
It's as if we took the safe option, better an OK player than stuff up another high draft pick.
Not easy for a young bloke to have good skills when they're continually kicking it to crowded places. Only the Hawthorn's and Geelong's can get away with that.
I'd try him forward when Jamison comes back.
I'd chuck him further up the ground where he can use his pace.......except it would be useless as we play everyone behind the ball.He be running and carrying ti to no-one. Nice work Mick!
Agree - is being exposed massively in defence and can't be doing his confidence any good whatsoever.....good on him for not dropping his bundle, but geez, you can't have a chopper like that playing in defence.
Buckley would be one of the first players I would delist.
You would have to give Buckley, and several others, a chance to see what they can do with a decent coach, functional game plan and contemporary structures before thinking about delisting.
I thought Bell showed some resistance but there was little else.
I don't think Boek has it in him, there was a play where he had to go and instead stood back and let his opponent attack the ball.
Thomas didn't set the world on fire but some nice things which is more than most of last year.
Walker surely must never be allowed near the defensive 50 every again? Gibbs is taking the piss now, just grabs and kicks. Had the choice of handballing to a covered player or an open Judd going into 50 both right infront of him and ignored Judd.
Agree - is being exposed massively in defence and can't be doing his confidence any good whatsoever.....good on him for not dropping his bundle, but geez, you can't have a chopper like that playing in defence.
Definitely not back there. Maybe try him as a small forward. Some kick goals better than they kick to people, other's, like Casboult, in reverse, although he had a beauty today. They way our forward line functioned kicking 4 today would be the equivalent of 8 on another day.
Listened to every post match summary I could. There were some stand-out comments from former players:
"They (us!) didn't seem to be playing with any ...spirit... soul."
'Gibbs and Murphy had only 2 or 3 possessions between them in the last quarter..."
"Not sure how their dysfunctional Board will react..."
Not easy for a young bloke to have good skills when they're continually kicking it to crowded places. Only the Hawthorn's and Geelong's can get away with that.
I'd try him forward when Jamison comes back.
He turns it over under no pressure, maybe he'll improve but he doesn't look like anything special.
Cripps looks well ahead of him, went at pick 13 and is a year younger, I think we should have used pick 7 instead of trading it.
With our drafting history we probably would have picked another dud though.
First game I've gone to this yea. Took my 4 year old to his first game. Most of the time it was like watching paint dry. No flair, no skill, no structure.
Whether we have the players or not, this fear of not playing the corridor is absolutely killing us. As a bloke behind me said, for the players it's the forbidden zone.
Bell was a good. Levi was good. Docherty and Tooooey tried. Murphy had fifteen touches and was mostly unsighted. Gibbs got plenty of easy possessions but refused to get his hands dirty. And every effin forward thrust went via the cape so that if we did mark it we were always on an extreme angle.
Brisbane were terrible. A slightly better side would have put us away by 10 goals.
Folks can we take the discussion of the coach's future into the Malthouse thread.
While there is a relationship..... we're getting similar comments in both threads and it will just make it easier to conduct a discussion, and for people to make their points and respond, if all that stuff is in the one place.
Thanks.
We would be the laughing stock of the AFL. All these journos potting him at the moment would be singing his praises and how Carlton have screwed over another coaching legend.
We are the laughing stock of the AFL now. >:(
He turns it over under no pressure, maybe he'll improve but he doesn't look like anything special.
Cripps looks well ahead of him, went at pick 13 and is a year younger, I think we should have used pick 7 instead of trading it.
With our drafting history we probably would have picked another dud though.
Mid will always be ahead early. He'll go ok. Young bloke can panic a little in defence. Being thrown into the key position under immense pressure mistakes will be made. If he turns out good, which I think he will eventually, the other two players are then a bonus.
The temptation of 3 good players (hopefully) was a good one for the loss of no picks. Just a drop of 12 places. If you're any good you can easily get a good player at pick 19 if your recruiting is any good.
We would be the laughing stock of the AFL. All these journos potting him at the moment would be singing his praises and how Carlton have screwed over another coaching legend.
Aren't we already??
The temptation of 3 good players (hopefully) was a good one for the loss of no picks. Just a drop of 12 places. If you're any good you can easily get a good player at pick 19 if your recruiting is any good.
Yeah, but ours isn't.
Grigg, Hampson, Watson, Bootsma, Bower and Hartlett all went around pick 20, but so did Fyfe.
We could have still stuffed up pick 7 but our chances would have been better.
Walker.... putrid. Should never play in defence ever again.
Touhy... ditto. Gave away a heap of goals with stupid mistakes and poor positioning.
Gibbs... did he play today?
Buckley ... convinced he won't make it unless he can change his body shape dramatically. Light players are a liability, especially close to goal in defence.
As for Jones... the worlds greatest athlete... trained the house down.... blah blah blah.... can't catch a cold and burns the few chances he gets. My nomination for the worst player I have since in CFC colours since 1970.
My first and probably last game for the year. Awful, awful, bl00dy awful!
The only thing I can say is there is only one way to go from where we are ATM.
>:(
Is John Barker our "forwards" coach?
What does he actually do, then?
Wow, what can I say about this game.
Walker needs to be traded and won't go for much. He can't defend today at all.
Touhy was close to the standard of Walker today.
Jaksch didn't do well and has disposal issues.
Rowe his good buddy in defence was just as poor with disposal.
Levi gave us a chance and did convert.
Jones, get this piece of sh1t as far away from the club as you can. He is a useless footy player.
Buckley needs more size and strength. Doesn't give up but not strong enough.
Murphy and Gibbs need to have more impact. More score on the board from them. Stats are not enough.
Judd has had his best years go by. While one of our best, he needs to retire.
Thomas has been the biggest waste of money for this club. While he still has time, I won't hold my breath.
Cripps is a player we need to be patient with. He will be genuine and we can't afford to lose him.
Boekhorst shows signs and he needs to back his ability.
Armfield tries hard and wasn't terrible today.
Curnow worked fairly well, but isn't complete elite and never will be.
Bell was a solid performer today. He is a keeper. I like this kid.
Docherty is by far the best player we have by a country mile.
We just played the worst side in the league. Were up in front for most of the game and found a way to lose. Skills by both side was as poor as I have seen for a few seasons. If we lost to Brisbane who had to travel, then how bad is our side ? We now need to play GWS, Geelong, Sydney and Adelaide before we get a break and rest. We look certain to be 1-9. Really ?? 1-9. We couldn't tank better if we tried. I thought I had shame for the club for the loss against the Pies. Then I hear the boys had early morning sessions during the week to wake up this match and show us what they have. They showed very little to nothing. Against a side that has the worst forward structure in the league. Along with the weakest defence going around. There isn't another side we could possibly beat. Not with the sh1t that is running around in Navy at the moment. We have one genuine player. One. No more. Well I should add Bell to make that 2. What a day I decided to give up glue sniffing ?? ::)
I'm genuinely surprised at how quickly the game has gone past Gibbs, Walker, and Murphy.
Sometime in the last 10 years 'outside' players became extinct. Nowadays, there is no such thing as an outside player. The pressure is too relentless and all pervasive.
Bell and Cripps were shining lights today. Mind you, it's mid-winter northern hemisphere dark at the moment at CFC. The game has passed by our highest paid players, but the real worry is that we've gone from Australia's most successful sporting team to a club on the brink in only 15 years.
I used to laugh at posts predicting the demise of Carlton. Now I'm not so sure.
Is John Barker our "forwards" coach?
What does he actually do, then?
No, he is the backline coach. Green is our forwards coach ::)
Watching the Blues is excruciating.
Kick short.
Mark.
Stop, go back.....Hesitate.....Umpire; "(Play on!)"..
Hurried short kick to a contest....turnover!
There is no MOMENTUM. No URGENCY. No running forward, hunting in packs. And no movement upfield facing the player with the ball. There should be leads EVERYWHERE...movement, movement, movement, OPTIONS EVERYWHERE, not NOWHERE
1AW, you were absolutely shocking today. Didn't give any of your intended targets a chance with any of your disposals.
Grim stuff from a team that cant get much lower.
Casboult played a very good game, had more presence around the ground and finishing with four goals is a very good return. Well done. Other good efforts were by Bell, who is really improving as a player, despite disposal lapses here and there. Docherty put in a good effort. Cripps did ok. Boekhorst ran to the right places and gave himself opportunities, hopefully he keeps backing himself. And they are about it really, as i am struggling to find any other winners.
Our field kicking continues to be simply dreadful and not at an acceptable standard for league football. Despite winning clearences well in the first half, we turned the ball over with devestating regularity. Biggest issue for mine is the poor midfield work that leads to a clearence being aimlessly booted forward, high and long and easily cut off. Terrible football.
Walker was horrific and not sure why he is worth playing really as his mistakes and ease that we went to ground cost goals. Buckly is a real worry. Still undersized and not as fast as he needs to be be to make up for his slight build. 3 years on the list suggests he won't be around for much longer. Everitt is one of those unfortunate cases of a tall player that plays small and has little influence. Gibbs just wants out, and exemplified by his over the head handpass that went straight to an opponent. Let him seek a trade as his casual attitude makes Ryan Houlihan look like a contested ball maniac.
Just a mess. Consistently congested forward line, poor kicking forward and a lack of run. When Bell won the footy (second quarter i think) at half back and ran forward and had no one to kick to i knew we were going to lose. Play had been around half back, not at all deep and yet we had no options. Lazy and dispirited.
Only round 6 and it has been a long season. We are looking at the longest season since...last season...
I think this will be my last comment on this very disappointing game.
Tom Bell played another good game and continues to show how far he has come as a player. One of the plays he was involved in today really epitomised how hard we have made what should be a relatively simple game. Bell took on two opponents and won the ball at halfback. He was on the move and started to head down the ground when he realised that there weren't any Carlton players in front of him. What should have been several bounces and/or a chain of possessions leading to an inspirational goal fizzled out when Bell had to pull up and turn back to kick the ball back towards the Brisbane goal.
I'd love to see our players given the freedom to take the game on.
Only round 6 and it has been a long season.
Nice way to put it. It's been excruciating. (Thought Hoops became a reasonable ball winner in close towards the end :P)
I'd love to see our players given the freedom to take the game on.
That's the biggest problem. Brisbane are shizen but when they have the chance, which isn;t often, they play their game. You can see what they are trying to do, they just don't have the ability. We control the ball, screw me if I can pick what's happening - grind it forward, hope a goal eventuates from it.
Not excusing the players but the game plan clearly sucks - or is non existent - and for that the blame must lie at the feet of Mick.
DJC that play was when Bell was running full steam across the wing, and he had to completely stop. Not one Carlton player was running forward. 2 kicks later the ball was landing in the goal square 80m behind where he had the ball. What the fark is that ? Who instructs this style of play ? If its Mick, he has to be shown the door ASAP.
Cas, Bell and Dochery the standouts.
Yeah - that Buckley, he's awesome, his dash out of defence & the way he uses the footy......oh wait
......and Jaksch - wow, what's not to like about Jaksch, the way he imposes himself and his kicking......oh wait
......and Whiley, man - what an awesome tagger he is and that pace.......oh wait
......and Boekhorst - great to see him NOT play like Kane Lucas and then kick that clutch goal in the last......oh wait
I'll give you Clem Smith, who finally showed a bit today (despite 2 horrific kicking clangers) & can't comment on Graham due to his usual lack of game-time, but the rest of them you must surely be taking the p!ss....surely.
But Brettie, we have to put some faith in these young guys because they are the next generation. Players like Armfield, Carrazzo, Warnock & co are going to be put out to pasture.
Proving you don't know much
Without taking into account current form but on this list is:
Walker
Menzel
Murphy
Gibbs
Judd
Simpson
Kreuzer
Cripps
Yarran
Docherty
Jaksch
Henderson
Bell
Everitt
Curnow
Byrne
Thomas
Jamison
Casboult
Touhy
Not a Hawthorn list but certainly something a half decent coach can easily work with. Certainly not a bottom of the ladder list. If you say that lacks ability then I'll just point and laugh. We are so badly coached right now that we have the life sucked right out of us. Game plan and structure is awful.
Ability and potential are a load of crap.
How many coaches does it take for these guys to grow a pair and play anywhere near their ability?
Trade the soft ****s, sack MM and start again.
At least Cripps and bell have a go
Ability and potential are a load of crap.
How many coaches does it take for these guys to grow a pair and play anywhere near their ability?
Trade the soft ****s, sack MM and start again.
At least Cripps and bell have a go
They went alright with one coach.
So this is rock bottom !!! AGAIN
The club is a rabble.
The list is loaded with soft soft, unskilled, talentless, stupid, overpaid footballers.
The likes of Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Carrazzo, Warnock, Hendo, Jamo, and the spud Jones is where problem lies.
The only positives are the kids - Cripps, Belly, Clem, Doc, at least the give me a smile.
Whiley will come through, just needs a bit of time..
Malthouse will be the next coach we throw to the scrap heap! Yet again the senior unskilled insipid players we have on our list will survive and that is farked !!
So this is rock bottom !!! AGAIN The club is a rabble.
The list is loaded with soft soft, unskilled, talentless, stupid, overpaid footballers.
The likes of Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Carrazzo, Warnock, Hendo, Jamo, and the spud Jones is where problem lies.
The only positives are the kids - Cripps, Belly, Clem, Doc, at least the give me a smile.
Whiley will come through, just needs a bit of time..
Malthouse will be the next coach we throw to the scrap heap! Yet again the senior unskilled insipid players we have on our list will survive and that is farked !!
i agree
So this is rock bottom !!! AGAIN The club is a rabble.
The list is loaded with soft soft, unskilled, talentless, stupid, overpaid footballers.
The likes of Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Carrazzo, Warnock, Hendo, Jamo, and the spud Jones is where problem lies.
The only positives are the kids - Cripps, Belly, Clem, Doc, at least the give me a smile.
Whiley will come through, just needs a bit of time..
Malthouse will be the next coach we throw to the scrap heap! Yet again the senior unskilled insipid players we have on our list will survive and that is farked !!
Reckon you're a bit hard on Carrazzo, Hendo and Jammo. Carrazzo really worked hard off the rookie list to get where he did and was a real leader. Probably done now but was impressed with what he achieved. Don 't think we totally lack talent either, lazy, stupid and overpaid yes, wasting their talent.
Anyway, bit sidetracked, agree with the general sentiments.
Boekhorst pulled out of contests twice.....smart enough at times when he gets the footy but doesnt like too much heat on the contest with his light body getting knocked around...
Jones is a worse kick for goal than Levi......but he trains hard...but not on his kicking obviously..when you dont get big numbers in stats
you have to be a gun converter and he isnt...
Rowe got slaughtered by McStay.....problem for Rowe was that McStay kept moving around instead of McStaying where he was and Rowe kept on
losing him in the contest...
Daisy cant kick more than 40m......3 more years of his contract to go....but its not like I am counting :-[ :(
Bell...was very good and is one of our better players......
Murphy and Gibbs....the non impact twins....get the footy but do nothing significant with it...
Docherty....best player on the list at the minute and a recruiting success...
Everitt....didnt make many mistakes but didnt do much other...a very laconic individual.....
Wood... a battler, tired at the end and Martin took over
Jacksh...was better at GWS...playing with our blokes has sent him backwards...
Walker and Buckley ..the turnover twins....
Smith..has a crack but couldnt hit a lampost at 10m with a machine gun...
Juddy...bet he is wishing he was retired....
Cripps...tried hard but tired when the heat was on at the end and just needs more miles in his legs....
Whiley....Pendles and the Beamer in his first two games is a tough ask....bet he sleeps well tonight after chasing tail all game....
Touhy...MIA.....
Curnow...was ok
Armfield....a goer but needs moving on...
What an embarrassment. This has broken me. I never thought I would see the day when I'd be so over the CFC. I'm just numb.
What an embarrassment. This has broken me. I never thought I would see the day when I'd be so over the CFC. I'm just numb.
Come on boys, keep smiling.... The sun will up again tomorrow ;D
And then we can do it all again next week. :P
Come on boys, keep smiling.... The sun will up again tomorrow ;D
And then we can do it all again next week. :P
That's the problem Blue Ghost Who Walks - is the sun setting on the once mighty Blue Baggers?
Boekhorst pulled out of contests twice.....smart enough at times when he gets the footy but doesnt like too much heat on the contest with his light body getting knocked around...
Jones is a worse kick for goal than Levi......but he trains hard...but not on his kicking obviously..when you dont get big numbers in stats
you have to be a gun converter and he isnt...
Rowe got slaughtered by McStay.....problem for Rowe was that McStay kept moving around instead of McStaying where he was and Rowe kept on
losing him in the contest...
Daisy cant kick more than 40m......3 more years of his contract to go....but its not like I am counting :-[ :(
Bell...was very good and is one of our better players......
Murphy and Gibbs....the non impact twins....get the footy but do nothing significant with it...
Docherty....best player on the list at the minute and a recruiting success...
Everitt....didnt make many mistakes but didnt do much other...a very laconic individual.....
Wood... a battler, tired at the end and Martin took over
Jacksh...was better at GWS...playing with our blokes has sent him backwards...
Walker and Buckley ..the turnover twins....
Smith..has a crack but couldnt hit a lampost at 10m with a machine gun...
Juddy...bet he is wishing he was retired....
Cripps...tried hard but tired when the heat was on at the end and just needs more miles in his legs....
Whiley....Pendles and the Beamer in his first two games is a tough ask....bet he sleeps well tonight after chasing tail all game....
Touhy...MIA.....
Curnow...was ok
Armfield....a goer but needs moving on...
At least Levi kicked more goals than points! Like him better at CHF and relief ruck as he gets to move around. Moving suits him.
My first and probably last game for the year. Awful, awful, bl00dy awful!
The only thing I can say is there is only one way to go from where we are ATM.
>:(
The VFL..lucky there isnt relegation....
Come on boys, keep smiling.... The sun will up again tomorrow ;D
And then we can do it all again next week. :P
Which team gets the 4 points next week?
I said a week ago Martin was the AFLs in-form ruckmen and would rip us a new one, and he did!
We have the dumbest MC / Coaching panel in the AFL, blind Freddy could have seen this coming!
Supporters should excuse one or two bad decisions or or two wrong turns, but not excuse things when the majority are bad!
From the outside it looks like we want a nice club, a friendly club, a club full of buddies, but a winning club doesn't necessarily coincide with those desires!
@iaj...Jim...Levi was good and his kicking action looked a bit better...no doubt he needs to play each week as the 2nd ruck/forward as we have both suggested.. ;)
I said a week ago Martin was the AFLs in-form ruckmen and would rip us a new one, and he did!
We have the dumbest MC / Coaching panel in the AFL, blind Freddy could have seen this coming!
Supporters should excuse one or two bad decisions or or two wrong turns, but not excuse things when the majority are bad!
From the outside it looks like we want a nice club, a friendly club, a club full of buddies, but a winning club doesn't necessarily coincide with those desires!
Wood was ordinary, Casboult did a good job on the ball and up forward, which is a tough gig.
We won the clearances again though. We win that every week, won the contested possession, 1%'ers again. Although good but totally amounts to nothing when when you badly structured and have no run.
My sympathies to those who went to watch today. What a very ordinary game of footy.
Zero confidence within the 'team' at the moment. Nothing intuitive going on. Is there a stat on hail Mary kicks? We have to be #1 with them and #1 again for how many go straight to the opposition.
For those who backed the blues into $1.28 - no sympathy at all, although you are obviously optimistic.
@iaj...Jim...Levi was good and his kicking action looked a bit better...no doubt he needs to play each week as the 2nd ruck/forward as we have both suggested.. ;)
Exactly. Like him playing CHF and rucking as it allows him to move about up the ground and run. That suits him even if it's a tough gig. Also notice he has a fair roost on him when he lets go.
Kicking 4 goals the way we played with that forward structure would be like kicking 8 any other time.
It's no longer about the stoppages and clearances anymore. It's about creating pressure on the stoppages and launching quick from half back.
Yet we are playing 2010 football, where contested ball was king and two taggers was the norm.
It's no longer about the stoppages and clearances anymore. It's about creating pressure on the stoppages and launching quick from half back.
Yet we are playing 2010 football, where contested ball was king and two taggers was the norm.
That launching isn't quite coming to fruition. When we do launch we find not a soul in the 50 to kick to so we have to stop. I saw that a few times.
Wood was ordinary, Casboult did a good job on the ball and up forward, which is a tough gig.
We won the clearances again though. We win that every week, won the contested possession, 1%'ers again. Although good but totally amounts to nothing when when you badly structured and have no run.
I have been saying this about the Warnock situation for the last five years, players who are traffic cones combined with an outdated game plan are worthless in 2015. Yet already some fans want Warnock back next week, they can't see the forest for the trees! Do they wonder why Martin was the Lions top rated player, because those stats he gathers count more than taps which from an effectiveness perspective he lost! But he gets 19 disposals and 5 marks, if we combined Wood and Casboult they just break even with him!
Better to lose the clearances and win everywhere else, Kreuzer and Hampson were our number 1 ruck combo for 1 very good reason, mobility. Kreuzer and Hampson use to rove to each other inside F50, both kicked goals roving to the others ruck work. We didn't need marking or goal kicking from rucks just getting a contest was enough. So we took a great ruck division and de-constructed it because they were NBG as KPFs, hunging onto and recruiting a bunch of dud forwards by weakening our ruck division.
And people seriously think Warnock is a solution with Casboult rucking, really?
The sad thing is three or four years ago we were winning clearances and competitive(admittedly inconsistently) everywhere else.
That launching isn't quite coming to fruition. When we do launch we find not a soul in the 50 to kick to so we have to stop. I saw that a few times.
And then get cut up going the other way... I wonder who's fault that could be?
I look at the stats and I can't see how we lost. We had the better players for most of the game. We took out their better players, especially guys like Rockliff who have hurt us before.
Green kicks 3 goals with about 4 kicks. McStay kicks 4 and could have had more: we didn't defend the goal line well at all.
We need to start showing some heart. Badly.
I look at the stats and I can't see how we lost. We had the better players for most of the game. We took out their better players, especially guys like Rockliff who have hurt us before.
Green kicks 3 goals with about 4 kicks. McStay kicks 4 and could have had more: we didn't defend the goal line well at all.
We need to start showing some heart. Badly.
Poor delivery to a group of forwards who aren't that great.
We'll get cameos like Casboult today..but we need consistent multiple goal scorers
Just a small thing....but it's probably a symptom of the individuality of the team.
Cripps is really good at getting the ball out, but on a couple of occasions today he found himself wrestling with team-mates for possession in a contest.
As a result the ball went nowhere.
Step aside and let the kid have the ball. ;)
Poor delivery to a group of forwards who aren't that great.
We'll get cameos like Casboult today..but we need consistent multiple goal scorers
Just a small thing....but it's probably a symptom of the individuality of the team.
Cripps is really good at getting the ball out, but on a couple of occasions today he found himself wrestling with team-mates for possession in a contest.
As a result the ball went nowhere.
Step aside and let the kid have the ball. ;)
Somehow despite the fact we can't hit targets by foot, we are going to hear that we are much better than this but our game plan loses us games.
Not that we can't handle the press pressure when the tackling goes up.
Not that we can't stop opponents from scoring.
Not that we can't convert forward entries to scoring opportunities.
Not that we don't communicate well on the park.
It's the gameplan that makes them do all the above, and the coach is the reason.
We were in front for most of the game despite the gameplan being awful though because we are just that good we choose to switch on and off, and never back on again.
We let their smaller players find free space in their forward 50m as Collingwood did. Their tall forwards watched the ball coming in while our defenders watched them and not the ball. Thus they beat us in contested and uncontested marks in their forward 50m and converted with goals. we failed to convert on the score board. We lacked players on a lead. We didn't have small forwards at the fall of the ball when our talls took a leap for a mark. Two players in front of the contest and a small player behind the contest. We had our small forwards stagnant. No real movement where a contest was ready to spill the ball. Tackle pressure was weak to keep the ball locked in the forward 50m. Lacked run back to defend. How many times I saw players not have their hands in the air for the man on the mark made me laugh. How many times I saw a player give up a chase because it looked like hard work made me furious. How many times I saw our players expect another team mate do the work on their behalf was just criminal. How many times we just bombed the ball to no space was a joke.
We kicked the ball in any direction, just to get a disposal. Without even looking where the kick was going. We always looked sideways from D50m to pass the ball first. If there was no option we looked backwards next. We never looked forwards as a first option. If we did we just bombed it to a contest. Which was either 3 to 2 or 3 to 1 to their advantage. Or to kick it long to our player all of 5 foot 10 to their ruck, or a player of 190cm plus. Never to our advantage. Our style of play is what I expected from GCS in their first season. An inexperienced side with no belief or confidence in their ability. The only thing worse is the fact that we are scared to run and carry the ball.
Don't go through the corridor. Chip it around the boundary. Wait for an opportunity that will not present. Then just boot the ball anywhere. Usually straight into their hands. This isn't footy in my opinion. This is either kick to kick in your local streets footy. Or just trying to play keepings off footy. Even watching the little league kids during the break showed kids spoiling, hands high when a marked ball is being kicked to spoil and tackles that stuck. All from kids at about 8 years of age. Everything we did was wrong in terms of effort, intensity, common sense, and wanting to win a game at any cost. Coach sacked or entire playing list traded. Not Levi, Bell and Docherty on todays efforts. The rest can just f@ck off. Sorry Chris you have carried us too long. You should have retired at the end of the season.
We will never learn to stand on our own 2 feet until you leave. It breaks my heart to say it but you are holding back the club because too many passengers still expect you to win every game off your own boot and carry this squad. How f@cking sad is that. Mick, please go write another book and leave us to pick up the pieces. The boys don't want you any more. We will find a trade for some but struggle to get much in return for many. Nuff said, I need another drink. >:(
Obviously a very disappointing day, however we need to bear in mind that the team will look very different in three or four weeks with the likely re-introduction of all of Yarran, Jamieson, Henderson, Simpson, Kreuzer, Menzel, Byrne (thought he looked good) & potentially Warnock.
Along with unacceptable performances from Bryce Gibbs and Liam Jones, there were simply too many critical turnovers in defence from Buckley, Rowe, Jaksch and Walker today. As painful as it was to watch, I couldn't help but think that we will soon be able to replace Buckley, Rowe & Jaksch with Yarran, Henderson & Jamison respectively, with our pre-season Champion Liam Jones making way for Kreuzer or Menzel.
Today we played with a spine of Rowe, Jaksch, Cripps, Casboult & Jones and in a couple of weeks this is likely to read Jamison, Henderson, Cripps, Kreuzer, Casboult. And, it will be nice to replace Buckley & Walker with Simpson and Yarran, who are cleaner by hand and foot. The changes will also allow Walker to play a third tall forward alongside Casboult & Kreuzer.
Call me crazy, but I think we'll be hard to beat in a fortnight or so.
Thry, the game plan makes everything difficult for us. We get no easy ball, it's all grinding, scrappy hard stuff. 3 years, FA uncontested marks, FA uncontested possessions. Our forward line clogged, our D50 full of space and one-on-one contests, sometimes with a giant on a midget (this week it was Murphy on Leuenberger).
We were playing man-on-man at a kick-out FFS.
Call me crazy, but I think we'll be hard to beat in a fortnight or so.
Ok I wont call you crazy...is lunatic ok? ;D
Thry, the game plan makes everything difficult for us. We get no easy ball, it's all grinding, scrappy hard stuff. 3 years, FA uncontested marks, FA uncontested possessions. Our forward line clogged, our D50 full of space and one-on-one contests, sometimes with a giant on a midget (this week it was Murphy on Leuenberger).
We were playing man-on-man at a kick-out FFS.
So a function of our game plan is to pass to opposition players?
There is no way shape or form that our game plan is to play kicking the ball to our opponents.
Nor is any real game plan based on bombing long.
That's your get out of jail hail Mary hit and hope, and we do it frequently because we don't pass the ball to each others advantage and we don't work hard enough for our teamates.
Teams cut up through the wings because there is usually space to work there whilst the corridor is more heavily guarded.
Ok I wont call you crazy...is lunatic ok? ;D
we got the bye....he's right
That game has to be a coach killer.
There were positives in terms of our future
- Bell (love this kid)
- Cripps (will be a gun)
- Smith ( Still very raw but when he adds some polish he will be an excitement machine)
- Docherty ( Will be a 200+ game star)
- Levi ( kicks straight and he's a weapon)
-Wood (has a crack)
That's $hithouse Carlton
- Walker (finished)
- Jones ( spud)
- Daisy (should have kept Eddie)
- Murphy /Gibbs ( Base contract performances this season)
- Whiley (on a hiding to nothing thus far)
Simply under performing
- Jaksch
- Buckley
- Tuohy
- Boekhorst
- Armfield
- Everitt
- Curnow
What's wrong with this picture?
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NO DEVASTATION!!!!!
Love murph making sure the hair is in good nick.
Has anyone noticed Rowe has got a dose of the thorntons, seems to blame every kick his opponent wins on someone else.
The players looked knackered by 3/4 time - which is strange because we are not running with the ball or playing anything close to exciting football.
The Going backwards as the first option just looks like we work more than we need to for no screwing result. This is why the players switch off because the bullcrap game plan doesn't work and they know it's pointless.
Why were CFC supporters booing Mitch? He who bled blue but was dumped to improve our culture? Laughable considering from what I saw at the game the current CFC players seemed to adore him going up to him after the game for a hug etc- yeah so grateful MM has turned over our culture ::)
The players looked knackered by 3/4 time - which is strange because we are not running with the ball or playing anything close to exciting football.
The Going backwards as the first option just looks like we work more than we need to for no screwing result. This is why the players switch off because the bullcrap game plan doesn't work and they know it's pointless.
God pickup M. We are wasting a huge amount of energy during a game due to poor execution. This really struck me yesterday in that we had to work extremely hard to win the ball only to cough it up easily via a wayward disposal or kicking to a contest where we were outnumbered. This, in several cases, led to a Lions goal. That sort of stuff just sucks the life out of a team.
Why were CFC supporters booing Mitch? He who bled blue but was dumped to improve our culture? Laughable considering from what I saw at the game the current CFC players seemed to adore him going up to him after the game for a hug etc- yeah so grateful MM has turned over our culture ::)
Agreed.
Mitch didnt want to leave
Love murph making sure the hair is in good nick.
Has anyone noticed Rowe has got a dose of the thorntons, seems to blame every kick his opponent wins on someone else.
Feel for Rowe. Is under massive pressure without Jamo. ball is coming in way to easily and over the last few weeks, often.
Agreed.
Mitch didnt want to leave
Actually the move will be good for Robbo I think. He looked a better player to me, much more composed.
The rebuild is on in earnest, it has to be The Sheik's patented "Scorched Earth" policy now, no-one is safe.
Not so much a rebuild....its more like watching a building fall apart each week , brick by brick.....
Docherty, Wood, Jones, Jaksch, Whiley, Cripps, Smith, Thomas, Boekhorst & Everett are all palyers we have picked up in the past two years who played yesterday.
Did anyone else hear the Docherty interview after the game?
Impressive and honest. He was asked (I think by Ramanascus) whether the blokes have had honesty sessions where they ask each other hard and confronting questions... he answered no, but it might just happen this week! I was astonished (and grateful for his honesty).
I fear that MM is anti 360 degree feedback sessions. If there's anything the Board, Management and coaching group needs, well before the players, is a damn strong month of 360 degree feedback sessions. Then the players.
Did anyone else hear the Docherty interview after the game?
Impressive and honest. He was asked (I think by Ramanascus) whether the blokes have had honesty sessions where they ask each other hard and confronting questions... he answered no, but it might just happen this week! I was astonished (and grateful for his honesty).
I fear that MM is anti 360 degree feedback sessions. If there's anything the Board, Management and coaching group needs, well before the players, is a damn strong month of 360 degree feedback sessions. Then the players.
Who got rid of the leading teams mob.
I wasn't a fan but it sounds like some of the stuff they do would possibly be of some use with these blokes.
Who got rid of the leading teams mob.
I wasn't a fan but it sounds like some of the stuff they do would possibly be of some use with these blokes.
Bingo! Bomber T attributes a particularly intense 360 session (their first I think) around 2006 to the Pussycat's dramatic turnaround. He participated and copped his fair whack... helped him as a coach. But I cannot imagine MM doing anything like that.
Has anyone noticed Rowe has got a dose of the thorntons, seems to blame every kick his opponent wins on someone else.
Yes. Cannot believe how bad he's been this year after his improvement last. Whoever he plays on is the go to man for the opposition.
Who got rid of the leading teams mob.
I wasn't a fan but it sounds like some of the stuff they do would possibly be of some use with these blokes.
Leading Teams was a Ratten initiative, and a damn good one at that. Malthouse clearly isn't a fan, and that's not a bad thing in itself. However, you have to have something going on to work above the shoulders and I think that played a big part in our last quarter roller coaster.
Clearly, Brisbane had nothing to lose and our blokes were more focused on trying not to lose than they were on winning.
I think this will be my last comment on this very disappointing game.
Tom Bell played another good game and continues to show how far he has come as a player. One of the plays he was involved in today really epitomised how hard we have made what should be a relatively simple game. Bell took on two opponents and won the ball at halfback. He was on the move and started to head down the ground when he realised that there weren't any Carlton players in front of him. What should have been several bounces and/or a chain of possessions leading to an inspirational goal fizzled out when Bell had to pull up and turn back to kick the ball back towards the Brisbane goal.
I'd love to see our players given the freedom to take the game on.
Yep, I remember that piece of play vividly......as Mantis also said, not only did he have to go backwards, but via a chain of possessions the ball actually ended up back in the Brisbane goalsquare (or just outside it), before they had no choice but to go forward again.....if not for the fence, I reckon they would've happily continued out to Latrobe Street......
Also - there was a knob-head of a Carlton supporter who yelled out "Good on you Jones - stick it up them" when he kicked his only goal in the last after another sub-par game, as a snipe against pretty much every other Carlton supporter who can clearly see how bad he is......geez, did I give that guy an ear-bashing.....
Love murph making sure the hair is in good nick.
Has anyone noticed Rowe has got a dose of the thorntons, seems to blame every kick his opponent wins on someone else.
Great call there PI2C and yep, noticed it twice y'day & the week before on Cloke. On each occasion I yelled out for him to stop looking to blame someone else for not concentrating on what your opponent was doing. His game on Cloke overall was excellent, but other than that he has been horrific this year.
I am hoping that Rowe is just getting carried away with his leadership role, but carrying on to your team mates is not the way to go.
Gibbs and Murphy = 3 possies between them in the last quarter....not good enough and I didnt have either of them in my best players..
It was their time to lead and take control but both failed to measure up....
I swear I saw Murphy turn the ball over 3 times on his own in the last quarter. 2 handballs that missed the mark and a kick inside 50 that was intercepted.
I am hoping that Rowe is just getting carried away with his leadership role, but carrying on to your team mates is not the way to go.
Happens at all clubs.
ok my turn our game plan get ball and kick . all our loses have been in the same manor opp teams just run ,run and have loose players and we cant match them game over.
Will we hear comments like these from one of our senior players after yesterday match :
A seething Troy Chaplin has made an impassioned plea for his Richmond teammates to "grow up and act like men" as the Tigers seek to overcome their poor start to the season.
“I’m spewing with the way we’ve been playing at the moment, and I’m not the only one, it’s been extremely disappointing,” Chaplin said.
“Some of those turnovers are undefendable as a defender, they just go straight back over your head."
Will we hear comments like these from one of our senior players after yesterday match :
Have you seen the Gibbs/Murphy press conference?
Gibbs and Murphy = 3 possies between them in the last quarter....not good enough and I didnt have either of them in my best players..
It was their time to lead and take control but both failed to measure up....
Walker only had 2 possessions as well... But that was probably a good thing.
Walker only had 2 possessions as well... But that was probably a good thing.
It's amazing what a free ride this bloke gets.
He should be a leader but I have never seen it.
He sooks, he turns it over and he only does well when everyone else is playing good footy.
AFIAC he is cooked and should be traded for anything we can get.
He needs a new challenge, and we need a replacement
It's amazing what a free ride this bloke gets.
He should be a leader but I have never seen it.
He sooks, he turns it over and he only does well when everyone else is playing good footy.
AFIAC he is cooked and should be traded for anything we can get.
He needs a new challenge, and we need a replacement
Whilst I agree with what yous say RE the lack of output from those three goats, part of me says they are unprofessional if they are playing in spite and part of me doesn't blame them for the lack of interest when management says that everyone is up for trade if the price is right. Such is the mess our club is in. :(
Have you seen the Gibbs/Murphy press conference?
I read it in the online papers, more cliche'd crap !!
Walker only had 2 possessions as well... But that was probably a good thing.
:D...yep its that bad you can only laugh..AW looks shot as a player and maybe it would be better for both parties if
he found a new home and a fresh start...
Honestly if Murphy and Gibbs, or anyone else is sooking it up over the Lo Giudice comments, then they truly have no spine.
No player is guaranteed their place at the club and nor should they be. The club is bigger than us all.
I have no issue with those comments and lets be honest it would be remiss of the club not to consider the trading of anyone on our list that will provide us with the ability to better ourselves.
Look at St.Kilda and how they enacted their strategy. We just have to decide our direction and put it into place.
My concern is we have never been able to make the tough decisions because we are afraid they will burn us on the back end.
However I can accept the risk provided the strategy behind it is sound.
Love that avatar El Capitan!
Thanks. Now if only WADA will do right by us given the shemozzle of a season that unfolding.
The mercy rule needs to envoked.
Is there some thing wrong that Cripps, Smith and Whiley got fined for a melee?
Not a senior player to be seen, leaving our kids to fight the battles?
Is there some thing wrong that Cripps, Smith and Whiley got fined for a melee?
Not a senior player to be seen, leaving our kids to fight the battles?
I noticed we didn't have too many tough senior players protecting the kids. How sad was that ? Something really smells around the club with our leadership group. Something just isn't what it should be.
I noticed we didn't have too many tough senior players protecting the kids. How sad was that ? Something really smells around the club with our leadership group. Something just isn't what it should be.
Im sick of murph and gibbs now...
Is there some thing wrong that Cripps, Smith and Whiley got fined for a melee?
Not a senior player to be seen, leaving our kids to fight the battles?
That right there pretty well sums up where our club is at the moment.
Only the juniors fly the flag, WTF?
Cripps is a born leader and will be a Carlton Captain sooner than you think.
Murphy and Squibbs need to do a condensed crash course in Leadership at Duntroon, then they might grow a pair. ::)
Is there some thing wrong that Cripps, Smith and Whiley got fined for a melee?
Not a senior player to be seen, leaving our kids to fight the battles?
Yep we have no leadership thats the problem....I mentioned Boekhorst being left to fend for himself after you could see the kid was struggling with confidence
and I didnt see a senior player encourage him all game.
Whiley has made a ordinary start to his footy career but he does get around his mates and help them out which proves the kid has some character and I would persist
with him on that basis..Simon White was similar when he started.
Is there some thing wrong that Cripps, Smith and Whiley got fined for a melee?
Not a senior player to be seen, leaving our kids to fight the battles?
Gibbs was there trying to break things up.
I wasn't going to comment further on this game but I have an observation that I don't think anyone else has remarked upon.
Christensen looks to have perfected the 'Selwood shrug' and milked two free kicks (one for a goal) by forcing the tackler's arm to ride up above his shoulder. Umpires should be instructed not to pay free kicks for high contact when the tackled player contributes to the high contact. The 'Selwood shrug' should be no different to 'ducking the head'.
I saw him do it twice DJC. Once around 25m from goal. The commentators picked up on it and referenced it to Selwood also. Yet in this game I saw endless times our players were taken high and it was just a ball up. I think it might have been Whiley, Boekhorst and Murphy that missed obvious high tackles. Christensen is very clever about how he gets his free kicks for a high tackle. He bends the knees to drop his height slightly.
The in the back rule has me confused also. How many times it isn't picked blow my mind. As does the holding the ball when every player stacks on top of you when you come to ground. It doesn't promote players to go in for the ball when its at ground level in congestion. Don't even get me started on the advantage rule. A player gets a free kick and another player decides to play on and runs into trouble. In the past the free kick is given back to the original player, because there really was no clear advantage. Yet the next player immediately gets nailed, and pinged for holding the ball. ::)