There hasn't been a VFL game at Carlton for some time now, but that changes this Sunday at 1400. The Baby Blues face up to might of Frankston, a team we pounded by 25 goals last year.
I do not expect the same result: Frankston are going OK while Northern are lacking a lot of experienced bodies and no small number of Carlton listed players.
Not sure where else to post this but gee whiz it appears KJ needs to pull up his socks in the eyes of the coaching staff.
Josh Fraser gave an overview of each of the players who hadn't yet played AFL.
This is what was said of KJ "He’s provided a consistent target for us forward and worked early in tandem with Liam Jones. He’s been used as a defender on occasions as we try to round his game out in different positions, and he’s also shown an ability to mark in the air and provide pressure on the ground. He continues to make improvements in his game. "
Compare that to SOS. "He’s a really lively forward, he’s always on the move and can present up the ground and into dangerous space. He’s also applied relentless pressure, he has some real tricks and has also missed some footy, which I guess is quite exciting because we’re looking forward to what he can put together when he has an extended run at it. We haven’t been surprised by what he’s put together, but definitely excited by it."
He was even more positive about DVR despite his form tapering off. Clearly KJ has it all in front of him.
Not sure where else to post this but gee whiz it appears KJ needs to pull up his socks in the eyes of the coaching staff.
Josh Fraser gave an overview of each of the players who hadn't yet played AFL.
This is what was said of KJ "He’s provided a consistent target for us forward and worked early in tandem with Liam Jones. He’s been used as a defender on occasions as we try to round his game out in different positions, and he’s also shown an ability to mark in the air and provide pressure on the ground. He continues to make improvements in his game. "
Compare that to SOS. "He’s a really lively forward, he’s always on the move and can present up the ground and into dangerous space. He’s also applied relentless pressure, he has some real tricks and has also missed some footy, which I guess is quite exciting because we’re looking forward to what he can put together when he has an extended run at it. We haven’t been surprised by what he’s put together, but definitely excited by it."
He was even more positive about DVR despite his form tapering off. Clearly KJ has it all in front of him.
Two really positive overviews there. Both will play soon.
That's not how I read the write up on KJ, certainly not in the context of the others....
Though KJ has had some good press re last game , seems not everyone is buying in to it, especially from a club point of view. Has been a dissapointment so far i believe
That's not how I read the write up on KJ, certainly not in the context of the others....
Damned by faint praise?
It will be interesting to see who plays this week. With Murphy and Sumner unlikely to be available, there should be 2 possible promotions. Tutt and Graham would probably be the favourites at this time to fill the breach. Especially as both are playing well.
Jamo may well be available, and he probably won't displace White at this point. That means the NBs should have at least 1 mature defender.
Phillips may well be back. He is likely to come back via the VFL, but he may displace Gorringe immediately. Either way the NBs get a tall back.
Liam Jones looks likely to be available for the NBs: he played his best game last year against Frankston (by a LONG way). He is playing reasonably at the moment and will want to impress. Given that Jaksch is already there and performing adequately, the forward line is looking OK.
The issue will be more with the midfield. But NB Captain, Tom Wilson, will be back, which is another 20+ possessions and probably a number of centre clearances. But after him Cunningham and DVR (maybe Smith?) are going to be required to do a lot of work in the midfield. I don't like that, but we will be recruiting mids in November.
The one I really want to see more of is of course SOS.
I said last year that it would not surprise me if he turned out the very best of all our draftees from this year. Maybe that is wishful thinking, but I really like everything I have seen of him so far.
I don't know if he will get a game this year (and doesn't matter if he doesn't of course), but I wouldn't mind seeing him get a hit out against a Brisbane, Gold Coast or Essendon for a game, (as long as he is ticking the boxes in the 2s for his efforts etc).
I did like what Fraser had to say about him though. Also LOVED the long goal against Coburg, which reminded me of how I used to hear way back when I was in school about how the elder SOS could roost them 50 m as a 13 year old. Jack is going to have a MASSIVE kick on him I think.
The one I really want to see more of is of course SOS.
I said last year that it would not surprise me if he turned out the very best of all our draftees from this year. Maybe that is wishful thinking, but I really like everything I have seen of him so far.
I don't know if he will get a game this year (and doesn't matter if he doesn't of course), but I wouldn't mind seeing him get a hit out against a Brisbane, Gold Coast or Essendon for a game, (as long as he is ticking the boxes in the 2s for his efforts etc).
I did like what Fraser had to say about him though. Also LOVED the long goal against Coburg, which reminded me of how I used to hear way back when I was in school about how the elder SOS could roost them 50 m as a 13 year old. Jack is going to have a MASSIVE kick on him I think.
From the little I have seen of Jack, he has the attributes to make it. Best of all, he has that rare commodity; time, in which to sum up the situation, make a good decision and execute well.
I would be surprised if he doesn't crack it for a game before the year is done, but there's no hurry.
Though KJ has had some good press re last game , seems not everyone is buying in to it, especially from a club point of view. Has been a dissapointment so far i believe
He has been playing very good footy all year in the VFL. Has little inconsistencies in-game at times but that'll sort as he's still young. 3 games where he's kicked 3,3 and 4 goals, then there's been some very good games in defence, previous to last game where he got 20 touches and 6 marks. His contested marking isn't far of Casboult's and he can kick. Should've been playing long ago.
He has been playing very good footy all year in the VFL. Has little inconsistencies in-game at times but that'll sort as he's still young. 3 games where he's kicked 3,3 and 4 goals, then there's been some very good games in defence, previous to last game where he got 20 touches and 6 marks. His contested marking isn't far of Casboult's and he can kick. Should've been playing long ago.
But that's not what his coach says. Fraser has made it clear that JK has not been playing at the level required. It is pleasing that he now seems to have given the extra effort and was rewarded by inclusion in the 25 for our last game.
If he can continue to produce that effort, he should have a reasonable career ahead of him. My only concern is that he seems to have been slow to adapt to the Bolton approach.
KJ has been unlucky IMO...Gorringe had not exactly been braining the opposition in the NB's but got a chance due to injuries and I'd like to see KJ given some senior game time as his form has been reasonable even though he perhaps has not been achieving all the goals/indicators being set for him.
Sometimes players will never light it up in the twos but will lift when they play seniors...too good a player IMO to be just left rotting in the NB's and I want to see some value for that pick 7 given Whiley has proven a failure...
If BB has plans to take a good look at players this year and assess them then I would have thought this week would be a good opportunity to take a look at KJ. If he does't get selected again then you'd have to really wonder about his future with us?
If BB has plans to take a good look at players this year and assess them then I would have thought this week would be a good opportunity to take a look at KJ. If he does't get selected again then you'd have to really wonder about his future with us?
They have been putting an awful lot of work into KJ and I doubt that they would bother if he wasn't in their long term plans. It would be very disappointing if he can't or won't make the extra effort to cement a spot in the 22.
I've got no problems with kids serving an apprenticeship at a lower level, didn't hurt Carlton and the Whorks in the 80's and 90's.
KJ has been unlucky IMO...Gorringe had not exactly been braining the opposition in the NB's but got a chance due to injuries and I'd like to see KJ given some senior game time as his form has been reasonable even though he perhaps has not been achieving all the goals/indicators being set for him.
Sometimes players will never light it up in the twos but will lift when they play seniors...too good a player IMO to be just left rotting in the NB's and I want to see some value for that pick 7 given Whiley has proven a failure...
His form is good as it is, so look forward to achieving all his goals/indicators,then it should be something good.
Whiley was just steak knives so if he succeeds, bonus, if he fails, lost nothing. Want Jaksch and Boekhorst to turn out as they we the main aspect of the trade. Jaksch is surely right to go as far as senior selection goes, and we were starting to get pretty excited about Boekhorst form late last year and early this year until injury got in the way.
Northern Blues vs Frankston
Sunday 5th June, 2016
IKON Park at 2.00pm
Northern Blues
B: 22. D Aujla 34. J Glass-Mccasker 26. M Dick
HB: 47. C Sheehan 31. J Foster 38. B Gowers
C: 65. D Viojo 42. M Whiley 67. C Smith
HF: 23. H Kerbatieh 48. K Jaksch 1. T Wilson
F: 2. J Silvagni 14. L Jones 10. T Totevski
R: 36. C Wood 60. D Cuningham 76. J Tutt
Int: 50. B Jordan 4. S Russell 29. B Casley 12. Z Ballard 80. M Korcheck 6. G Strachan 15. A Phillips 37. T Jones
23P 40. M Perry
I look at this side and it might even come out as selected, a huge surprise and it would be a 1st! Not sure about Phillips' fitness as he is named as Interchange here, but.....
It would be good if a few of our serial lower performers actually came good: Smith surprised me last week! It would also be nice if Wood could show a bit.
Frankston
B: 5. J Wilsen 27. D Kempster 13. C Buchan
HB: 31. K Gray 43. J Newman 46. J Sketcher
C: 2. L Walmsley 9. B Wood 33. R Exon
HF: 6. J Cass 42. B Wells 14. B Cavarra
F: 8. J Bennett 10. C McCartney 18. N Gardiner
R: 11. M Sikora 26. A McInnes 25. J Pongracic
Int: 7. B Irving 32. P Rosier 15. A Wilson 4. J Pickess 3. J Pollard 16. B Mullane 12. K Post 34. H Prior
23P: 67. D Atkins
Frankston have looked stronger this year and have more experience and talent in their line-up than they did last year. Sikora isn't a bad ruckman either: very tall.
Northern Blues vs Frankston
Sunday 5th June, 2016
IKON Park at 11.00am
Northern Blues
B: 25. A Brown 50. B Jordan 84. M Vesnaver
HB: 54. C McCabe 35. K Declase 4. S Russell
C: 6. G Strachan 12. Z Ballard 5. J Cyster
HF: 37. T Jones 29. B Casley 45. D Stevens
F: [limegreen]80. M Korcheck[/color] 30. S Bolger 9. J Corboy
R: 73. A Aurrichio 24. T Roos 21. C Barrett
Int: 82. D Iermano 52. J Booth 53. H Payne 55. W Krithararis 64. L Jacques 66. M Dawson 75. C Le Favi 28. J Collins 77. L Hickey 70. S Peet 74. B Malual
Named on the bench for his debut, if he is fit enough, is Jayden Collins, a young lad who was a Vic Metro representative last year. We were expecting some reasonable things from him, but injury has kept him out so far. Sam Peet has gone from chocolates to boiled lollies: 2 games ago he was in the NB seniors. Now interchange in the Development League.
Frankston
B: 19. A Beech 47. A Valetini 38. W Crowder
HB: 24. J Bastinac 35. B Bailey 39. D Gawley
C: 61. J Treloar 59. S Pickess 4. J Pickess
HF: 16. B Mullane 55. S Gladman 17. N Papadopoulos
F: 15. A Wilson 34. H Prior 21. J Gleeson
R: 12. K Post 7. B Irving 32. P Rosier
Int: 40. J Hammond 51. D Payne 52. M Soroczynski 63. H Thomas 37. J Soroczynski 29. J Mahon 1. J Cooper 68. J Bubb 2. J Peet
(http://northernbluesfc.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/R9-teams-vs.-Frankston.png) I love these graphics. So much better than My text.
Jamison???
Jamison???
I'd be surprised if we see much of Jamo playing again Enz, unless we have too many injuries to be covered otherwise.
I'd be surprised if we see much of Jamo playing again Enz, unless we have too many injuries to be covered otherwise.
Was thinking he will be insurance if players get injured but still needs to play.
Was thinking he will be insurance if players get injured but still needs to play.
Probably ironing a few kinks out. I'd expect to see him back when he's fit. If he can get some form back, who knows?
Was thinking he will be insurance if players get injured but still needs to play.
For sure but how well is he travelling with his fitness? - not much news coming out of the club on that front atm.
Pretty difficult conditions at Ikon and the Development Blues trail at 1/4 time by 1 point.
Pretty difficult conditions at Ikon and the Development Blues trail at 1/4 time by 1 point.
Now down by 13 points. Must be kicking against the tide. :(
Blues 1 - 0 - 6
Frankston 3 - 1 - 19
Northern Blues 4.2.26, Frankston 2.6.18. #WeMarchNorth #PJVFL
Quarter Time
On the siren, Silvagni's got his third! NB 26 FRA 18.
and SOSOS has three. #WeMarchNorth #PJVFL
It will be interesting to see a Silvagni on the paddock for carlton wearing jumper No 2
copying tweets:
SOS!!! 3 goals… in a long sleeve @NBluesFC jumper… Bloody brilliant!!! #PJVFL @triplemfooty
Northern Blues 4.2.26, Frankston 2.6.18. #WeMarchNorth #PJVFL
Quarter Time
On the siren, Silvagni's got his third! NB 26 FRA 18.
and SOSOS has three. #WeMarchNorth #PJVFL
It will be interesting to see a Silvagni on the paddock for carlton wearing jumper No 2
DISPOSALS: Dick 7, Totevski 7, T. Jones 6, Silvagni 5, Phillips 5, Kerbatieh 5.
Jaksch goals from a free NB up 36-31
Blues hit the front due to a goal from Jaksch.
NBs 5 - 6 - 36
Frankston 4 - 7 - 31
FULL TIME; Northern Blues 10.7.67, Frankston 8.9.57
Development League, that is. No details yet.
Not a lot of scoring at Ikon Park at the moment, but conditions do not exactly make scoring easy. DVR tries, but just misses his snap.
Tom Wilson get a goal soon after the kick out:
NBs 6 - 8 - 44
Frankston 4 - 7 - 31
Now they are scoring - points. Another point to Silvagni after a good mark in front.
More points: Jaksch. The Blues have kicked 2 - 8 this quarter.
Fifteen point lead at half time - 2 goals 8 that quarter was pretty wasteful.
This Silvagni Kid goes alright..
This Silvagni Kid goes alright..
Great to see! Also good to see gowers getting some touches
Half time and the Blues had 10 scoring shots for 2 goals. Still, a 15 point lead is considerable in the wet.
DISPOSALS: Gowers 12, Tutt 12, Silvagni 11, Whiley 11, Dick 11, Kerbatieh 10, T. Jones 10.
GOALS: Silvagni 3, T. Jones, Wilson, Jaksch.
3 points the difference as we continue to kick points.
Northern Blues 6 - 12 - 48
Frankston 6 - 10 - 46
Jones gets his first, much needed steadier, NB up by 7
Jaksch goes up, Whiley gets it off hands and dribbles a very smart goal! NB 61 FRA 47
Jones' goal was a left foot snap. Near siren time and the Blues surge back.
3/4 time and the Blues lead by 15 points.
Northern Blues 8 - 14 - 62
Frankston 6 - 11 - 47
DISPOSALS: Whiley 20, Tutt 19, Silvagni 18, T. Jones 18, Dick 16, Gowers 16.
GOALS: Silvagni 3, Jaksch, Whiley, L. Jones, T. Jones, Wilson.
Make that 9 - 14 - 68, as Tutt manages an excellent snap early in the last quarter.
Back to 16 points, as Frankston get a couple back, but not before Silvagni takes a big mark and kicks a clutch goal.
Make that 22 points, thanks to Clem Smith.
Goal to Kerbatieh: twitter was most impressed. I'll have to wait for the highlights. :)
Seem confident now with a goal to Wood
93 - 65
All over with a another Blues' goal - Kerbatieh again.
Northern Blues 15 - 15 - 105
Frankston 9 - 11 - 65
To win by 40 points in the circumstances is pretty good.
Any one at the game? Has is SOSOS shaping up physically? Hoping he might get a game end of the year?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkKB37lUkAI4WI2.png:large)
This was our final line-up. No mention of Phillips, so he can't have been a big factor. Probably won't play next week against St. Kilda.
Silvagni kicked 4?
Silvagni kicked 4?
Yeap,
Jack Silvagni's final stats: 21 disposals, 7 marks (4 inside 50), 7 inside 50s, 4.2.
Yeap,
Jack Silvagni's final stats: 21 disposals, 7 marks (4 inside 50), 7 inside 50s, 4.2.
Nice!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkKB37lUkAI4WI2.png:large)
This was our final line-up. No mention of Phillips, so he can't have been a big factor. Probably won't play next week against St. Kilda.
Phillips had 5 disposals to QT, dropped out of the stats count after that, but if Kreuz doesn't come up I would have thought he'd come in if at all ready.
Silvagni kicked 4?
Twitter says - Jack had 21 disposals, 7 marks (4 inside 50), kicked 4.2
Would love to see him play...
Looking forward to reports from Bluebaggers at the game. With thanks in advance ^-^
Don't hold back Jaksch and Jack play them
Cuningham out again?
Cuningham out again?
he has OP not moving well at training is what I heard.. he wants to play and want to play him but not moving well I think his year is shot
Don't hold back Jaksch and Jack play them
If G-SOS could earn a game this year it would be a massive positive... he keeps kicking goals, he is giving himself every chance.
The thing with Jack is that whilst he is already really better than Jones I suspect, he is still the youngest player on any list and will be a LOT of attention. Playing 2nds doesn't really hurt him, as he seems to be taking to it like a duck to water... But then again, running out and playing in front of the Carlton faithful really would be a big deal also.
If he plays I want it to be against a team that is less likely to smash him up.
The new Carlton under BB will protect him. We don't take that sort of stuff anymore.
The new Carlton under BB will protect him. We don't take that sort of stuff anymore.
agree, play him if he's ready, it will be another highlight in what has already been a remarkable year.
The question, who does he displace?
I went and had a look today. The things that stood out:
- Jack was very good - strong contested marks, kicked very well and also very clean with the hands in difficult conditions. Was not breaking packs open but on a few occasions was able to get to the ball and get it out of a contested situation cleanly and quickly.
- Wiley was very good - worked hard all day.
- KJ was involved all day, presented and contested very well. Progressing well I thought
- Not too sure about Clem Smith, not as quick as I was hoping and flew for a number of pack marks when he should have been crumbing as most time the ball went to ground due to the conditions.
Silvagni kicked 4?
3 in the first quarter, 1 in the last. He was up the field in the middle of the game. He had his statistically most significant game with 21 disposals, almost double his previous best.
I still wouldn't play him in the seniors: his fitness levels are not there yet. But this time he did not die out after half time.
he has OP not moving well at training is what I heard.. he wants to play and want to play him but not moving well I think his year is shot
I'd be getting him ready for next year. He is going to gain nothing by ruining his body. Get rid of the OP and then work towards 2017.
The famous long sleeves were out today.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-06-05/silvagni-stars-in-northern-blues-win
AFL Victoria Development League
Northern Blues 1.0 2.0 7.2 10.7 (67)
Frankston 1.1 5.4 7.7 8.9 (57)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: Corboy 3 Bolger 2 Casley 2 Declase Hickey Peet
Frankston: Papadopoulos 3 Soroczynski 2 Thomas 2 Treloar
BEST:
Northern Blues: Declase Brown Roos Stevens Corboy Aurrichio
Frankston: Rosier Papadopoulos Wilson Prior Bastinac Thomas
Good to see Aurrichio named in the best. He has been one of the Forgotten this season. Also good to see Roos get in the best 2 weeks in a row. He was not impressive earlier.
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Northern Blues 4.2 6.10 8.14 15.15 (105)
Frankston 2.6 4.7 6.11 9.11 (65)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: Silvagni 4 Kerbatieh 2 Jaksch Jones Wilson Wood Tutt Totevski Smith Jones Whiley
Frankston: Cass 3 Bennett 2 Gardiner Wilsen Walmsley Wood
BEST:
Northern Blues: Whiley Silvagni Tutt Jones Dick Kerbatieh
Frankston: Kempster Sketcher Exon Cass Wilsen Walmsley
DISPOSALS: Whiley 31, Tutt 26, Gowers 22, Kerbatieh 22, Totevski 21, Silvagni 21
If Kerbatieh can keep going like he is going, he is a certainty to be a Carlton listed player in 2017. Gowers is also doing himself no harm: getting his possession level up is exactly what he needed to do.
3 in the first quarter, 1 in the last. He was up the field in the middle of the game. He had his statistically most significant game with 21 disposals, almost double his previous best.
I still wouldn't play him in the seniors: his fitness levels are not there yet. But this time he did not die out after half time.
Hasn't hurt Tom Michell in Sydney to do a genuine apprenticeship. We don't really need Jack Silvagni up and firing in 2016. We just want him to develop. 250 game players can take their time!
The question, who does he displace?
Andrew walker for mine who is on thin ice. Not sure SOS is up for it yet but this would be a decent game to debut in
We haven't played an very underdeveloped body all year, no reason to start now. Weitering has a rig that looks like it's been in the syetem for two years and Charlie has an enormous frame.
That's why we got Wright and it's why we continue to play Walker . They are giving the rest of the smaller frames time to get ready.
Jacks loads are being managed ATM , if he plays at all this year I'd be surprised.
We haven't played an very underdeveloped body all year, no reason to start now. Weitering has a rig that looks like it's been in the syetem for two years and Charlie has an enormous frame.
That's why we got Wright and it's why we continue to play Walker . They are giving the rest of the smaller frames time to get ready.
Jacks loads are being managed ATM , if he plays at all this year I'd be surprised.
Spot on.
We haven't played an very underdeveloped body all year, no reason to start now. Weitering has a rig that looks like it's been in the syetem for two years and Charlie has an enormous frame.
That's why we got Wright and it's why we continue to play Walker . They are giving the rest of the smaller frames time to get ready.
Jacks loads are being managed ATM , if he plays at all this year I'd be surprised.
Agree totally. Patience is the key and there is no reason to take unnecessary chances this year. A team culture is being constructed into which the young bulls can be unleashed eventually, when they are fully ready and can have maximum impact.
No need to rush any of our youngsters.
Its not about rushing.
If SOS*2 is ready and performing as well as showing that he has the right stuff, he will get a game.
Thats all there is to it.
He kicks 4.2 and gets 20 disposals whilst taking 7 marks and that shows he is on his way to being ready.
Its not about rushing.
If SOS*2 is ready and performing as well as showing that he has the right stuff, he will get a game.
Thats all there is to it.
He kicks 4.2 and gets 20 disposals whilst taking 7 marks and that shows he is on his way to being ready.
With the young fellas (KPs), its probably a little more complicated than doing what you have suggested in the 2's. Its a massive step up to AFL level for them from a physicality point of view. Jack is listed as 191kg and 93kg, I found the weight a little surprising. I saw him fairly close up at the Hall of Fame thingy and again at Etihad a few weeks ago, he didnt look 93kg to me. In any case, if they think he is ready physically, fine. I'd be surprised though.
With the young fellas (KPs), its probably a little more complicated than doing what you have suggested in the 2's. Its a massive step up to AFL level for them from a physicality point of view. Jack is listed as 191kg and 93kg, I found the weight a little surprising. I saw him fairly close up at the Hall of Fame thingy and again at Etihad a few weeks ago, he didnt look 93kg to me. In any case, if they think he is ready physically, fine. I'd be surprised though.
I would have though 83 kilos when drafted.
With the young fellas (KPs), its probably a little more complicated than doing what you have suggested in the 2's. Its a massive step up to AFL level for them from a physicality point of view. Jack is listed as 191kg and 93kg, I found the weight a little surprising. I saw him fairly close up at the Hall of Fame thingy and again at Etihad a few weeks ago, he didnt look 93kg to me. In any case, if they think he is ready physically, fine. I'd be surprised though.
I understand that, but that all depends on what role we get him to play.
i.e. 3rd tall leading forward, or better yet, a similar role to what Jed Lamb is playing and then play Lamb through the middle of the field.
VFL has developed bodies as well - weak argument. If he is good enough to play then he should play
VFL has developed bodies as well - weak argument. If he is good enough to play then he should play
Absolutely.
Gives Everitt/Walker something to think about.....
VFL has developed bodies as well - weak argument. If he is good enough to play then he should play
This is an even weaker argument for selecting him in the firsts.
Big, usually slower and incapable of the full game pressure you get at the top level.
I'm sure there's 16 year olds who are ready for the top level but there are 20 year olds who need more time.
He cant run out a game, where do we play him?
The club has got every one of these calls right so far so I'll leave it to the experts.
I would have though 83 kilos when drafted.
His draft profile says 83kg and there's no way he has put on 10kg in 6 months. He looks closer to 73kg, wringing wet!
With the young fellas (KPs), its probably a little more complicated than doing what you have suggested in the 2's. Its a massive step up to AFL level for them from a physicality point of view. Jack is listed as 191kg and 93kg, I found the weight a little surprising. I saw him fairly close up at the Hall of Fame thingy and again at Etihad a few weeks ago, he didnt look 93kg to me. In any case, if they think he is ready physically, fine. I'd be surprised though.
93kg? Really? Certainly looks bigger than when we drafted him but 93 surprises me.
Anyway, he's as ok as anyone to have a crack in the seniors.
His draft profile says 83kg and there's no way he has put on 10kg in 6 months. He looks closer to 73kg, wringing wet!
Dont shoot the messenger kiddies
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/player-profile/jack-silvagni
Dont shoot the messenger kiddies
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/player-profile/jack-silvagni
Perhaps the bloke who weighed Jack is the same bloke who measured Marc Murphy's height as 1.80m ;)
I swear I saw both Jack and Crippa standing together and were same height. So that makes him minimum 193 as I had him taller. Or it was an optical illusion
I swear I saw both Jack and Crippa standing together and were same height. So that makes him minimum 193 as I had him taller. Or it was an optical illusion
Mate Crippa is every bit of 195cm. Cam Mooney interviewed him on the ground after the game on Sat and they are the same height. My mate actually commented that he thought Mooney was looking up slightly.
[img[http://i.imgur.com/4fZiAz2.png[/img]
Interesting reading.
This is an even weaker argument for selecting him in the firsts.
Big, usually slower and incapable of the full game pressure you get at the top level.
I'm sure there's 16 year olds who are ready for the top level but there are 20 year olds who need more time.
He cant run out a game, where do we play him?
The club has got every one of these calls right so far so I'll leave it to the experts.
X2
There is NO HURRY, folks! Not sure if some of these people pushing for him have actually seen him in action. If not, do yourself a favour and have a look. He is
developing very nicely and will be great for us. The kid will have more pressure than most when he takes the field, I'll leave it to those who have made all the right decisions so far this year. They are more informed than any of us!
I don't think we will play him yet and I am okay with him going for 40-50 goals as a target in the VFL to be honest, however he would not be the first 18 year old to have a crack with both Darcy Moore and Joe Daniher having their first senior game halfway through their first year at the club.... However... Jack is 11 months younger than Moore was when recruited and 9 months younger than Joe.
I think if he plays, great we get to see him trot out for his first game, but the club won't care about that as much, they will play him when they feel he is ready and not a moment before that.
As for supporters wanting to see him, of course they will, they have been waiting (not so patiently) since 1997 for him to play a game. ;)
I admit my hopes for him are high, I stated last draft that I thought he would end up being in the top few from this draft and on the small amount of exposed form, I will stick with that.
I really have a feeling about Jack, I just think he will smash it. Might take him a couple of years to get on the park consistently and hopefully we have patience because he is very young in draft age terms, only making this years draft by 2 weeks.
I think we can expect at least 2-3 years of development for Jack as he builds out his body to play more key position style football.
I cannot help but think he could end up being in the top 3-4 players of this draft when we look back in 5-10 years.
Welcome Jack, we've been expecting you...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/jack-silvagni-excites-carlton-fans-with-bestonground-performance-in-vfl/news-story/a1d2fa28542f457702aaf38b1defa6b5
To me, like any other player, if he's killing it with the NBs he ready to be promoted.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/jack-silvagni-excites-carlton-fans-with-bestonground-performance-in-vfl/news-story/a1d2fa28542f457702aaf38b1defa6b5
To me, like any other player, if he's killing it with the NBs he ready to be promoted.
I'm looking forward to watching him at Box Hill on Saturday. I'll be interested to see if he can run out the game.
I came in thinking Jack was a nice to have. Free hit, bring hope to fans, maybe never play.
He has played well Consistently every week at VFL level as basically a colts/under 18 player.
I want to see him kick 6-7 one week, and have no problem him not playing this year.
But he has already proved me wrong...
Any one at the game? Has is SOSOS shaping up physically? Hoping he might get a game end of the year?
I got along for a look and IMO Silvagni shone like a beacon compared to every other participant.
Runs better than his dad and grandad - low bars to be sure but he does move well. Most impressive features were his clean ball handling and his ability to adjust to the ball in flight in marking contests. The only player who deserves to be promoted on the basis of what I saw on Sunday.
Jones and Jaksch showed their usual limitations with Liam unable to hold a mark but being very hard at it when the ball hits the ground and KJ being limited to straight line running with an inability to do much by way of second efforts. Of these two, KJ might have cleaner hands but is heavily reliant on the ball being kicked to his advantage on the lead whereas Jones is more suited to hitting the pack (in marking contests or on the ground) so Jones is probably better suited to the long bomb forward.
Of the others, nobody pushing for promotion although Tutt seems to do enough to keep his name on the fringes.
Whiley and Dick are useful VFL footballers but too slow for the AFL.
McCasker and Gowers show lots of dash and might be options in the future.
Sheehan looks like he hasn't played for a couple of years; Cam Wood seems to be a shadow of what he offered last year; Phillips was pushed around by the opposing ruckmen but might be more competitive at centre bounces.
Foster, DVR and Smith all appear to have some talent but need to do much much more.
Whiley and Dick are useful VFL footballers but too slow for the AFL.
Yet put either in a sprint race with a (same age) Sam Mitchell and SM would be left in their dust....
it's not speed, it's speed of mind.
Can't really comment on Dick other than to say we do have many HBF options but Whiley should be given every opportunity - he is a big unit and can find the pill.
Yet put either in a sprint race with a (same age) Sam Mitchell and SM would be left in their dust....
it's not speed, it's speed of mind.
Can't really comment on Dick other than to say we do have many HBF options but Whiley should be given every opportunity - he is a big unit and can find the pill.
Pretty much this.
What I would say is that if we delist Whiley and Dick I hope we try and keep them at the NB's. We really need to boost the second tiers competitiveness and these two guys are perfect for that purpose. Been in the system for 4 or 5 years, by all accounts professional in their preparation and application .
The NB's need far more support from us .
on when SOSOS is ready to play for the Blues.
I saw SOS play his first game.
He was so young and unready,
but as I recall he played on Peter Knights.
That is formidible!
He took a screamer over PeterK
PeterK took a screamer over SOS
He did well.
His talent radiated.
I look forward to seeing Jack play
I am sure Stephen and Serge will give the nod when he is ready.
Silvagni is Carlton at its best.
Long for the day!
on when SOSOS is ready to play for the Blues.
I saw SOS play his first game.
He was so young and unready,
but as I recall he played on Peter Knights.
That is formidible!
He took a screamer over PeterK
PeterK took a screamer over SOS
He did well.
His talent radiated.
I look forward to seeing Jack play
I am sure Stephen and Serge will give the nod when he is ready.
Silvagni is Carlton at its best.
Long for the day!
We all long for the day mate, it will be sweet. As BB says though, there is no entitlement, it must be earned.
You kick 4 goals and have 21 possessions in the seconds at our club (who struggle to put the ball through the big sticks) - sorry but you've got to play 1s.
Is he "ready"?
I don't care - find a spot for him... probably Nick Graham. I guess Sumner has to come back in too.
You kick 4 goals and have 21 possessions in the seconds at our club (who struggle to put the ball through the big sticks) - sorry but you've got to play 1s.
Is he "ready"?
I don't care - find a spot for him... probably Nick Graham. I guess Sumner has to come back in too.
OK, you bring in a bloke who hasn't yet developed the tank to run out a VFL game and play him out of position; that'll work ::)
OK, you bring in a bloke who hasn't yet developed the tank to run out a VFL game and play him out of position; that'll work ::)
Don't you know anything DJC? he's a Silvagni and we are impatient Carlton supporters. He should have nominated for the draft at 14 and played 80 games by now!!!!!
Gotta say, the 'potential' future, or next era, tall forward setup for The Mighty Blues of Harry McKay (200cm), Charlie Curnow (194cm) and Jack Silvagni (191cm) is mouth-watering.
No guarantees ofcourse but looking solid.
Might be able to add a couple of newbies such as current GWS tall forwards seeking opportunities such as James Stewart (197cm) and Adam Tomlinson (193cm).
Mason Wood (192cm) from the Kangas goes alright too.
Josh Battle (192cm) in the u18s is one to watch too and potentially also the ineligible Giants academy prospect Todd Marshall (197cm).
We're hopeful with Kristian Jaksch (196cm) too.
I see Jacob Weitering (195cm) as being the 'new breed' tall defender/forward who could easily cause many headaches as a key forward in his own right and potentially as an onballer/midfielder of the future. The sky is the limit for this exceptionally talented kid!
Gotta say, the 'potential' future, or next era, tall forward setup for The Mighty Blues of Harry McKay (200cm), Charlie Curnow (194cm) and Jack Silvagni (191cm) is mouth-watering.
No guarantees ofcourse but looking solid.
Might be able to add a couple of newbies such as current GWS tall forwards seeking opportunities such as James Stewart (197cm) and Adam Tomlinson (193cm).
Mason Wood (192cm) from the Kangas goes alright too.
Josh Battle (192cm) in the u18s is one to watch too and potentially also the ineligible Giants academy prospect Todd Marshall (197cm).
We're hopeful with Kristian Jaksch (196cm) too.
I see Jacob Weitering (195cm) as being the 'new breed' tall defender/forward who could easily cause many headaches as a key forward in his own right and potentially as an onballer/midfielder of the future. The sky is the limit for this exceptionally talented kid!
Agree....Curnow and Silvagni are what we need to replace the likes of Everitt and Walker going forward......Curnow has big X factor being able to play forward and run on the ball and Jack will give us a reliabel 3rd tall forward in the Gunston mode..
Josh Battle is impressive..reminds me of an early Jack Darling....
I'd be happy to take any of the GWS youth including Stewart and Tomlinson....others dont seem to agree but I like Will Hoskin-Elliott as well...
Gotta say, the 'potential' future, or next era, tall forward setup for The Mighty Blues of Harry McKay (200cm), Charlie Curnow (194cm) and Jack Silvagni (191cm) is mouth-watering.
No guarantees ofcourse but looking solid.
Might be able to add a couple of newbies such as current GWS tall forwards seeking opportunities such as James Stewart (197cm) and Adam Tomlinson (193cm).
Mason Wood (192cm) from the Kangas goes alright too.
Josh Battle (192cm) in the u18s is one to watch too and potentially also the ineligible Giants academy prospect Todd Marshall (197cm).
We're hopeful with Kristian Jaksch (196cm) too.
I see Jacob Weitering (195cm) as being the 'new breed' tall defender/forward who could easily cause many headaches as a key forward in his own right and potentially as an onballer/midfielder of the future. The sky is the limit for this exceptionally talented kid!
This paints a very rosy picture. Given the way we are playing now (ie the quicker than expected improvement thus far) and the prospects coming through, there are very exciting time ahead. The future is now a lot clearer for me.
Go Blues
We could have a team of mobile big men running around creating mismatches all over the ground.
Watching Curnow move, he can play on-ball and can run all day every day. I think they want Gorringe doing similar (he's terrific below his knees), Everitt does similar and, if reports from GWS can be believed, they have been getting Tomlinson to run on the ball in the NEAFL and he's been getting ridiculous stats.
Will still need some small forwards and on-ballers but I really think we are looking to have a team that can't be matched up on easily. Multiple forward marking threats who have elite running capacity.
Will still need some small forwards and on-ballers but I really think we are looking to have a team that can't be matched up on easily. Multiple forward marking threats who have elite running capacity.
Lamb and Sumner have been terrific in this regard and will only get better in opinion. Very accurate kicks for goal also.
We could have a team of mobile big men running around creating mismatches all over the ground.
Watching Curnow move, he can play on-ball and can run all day every day. I think they want Gorringe doing similar (he's terrific below his knees), Everitt does similar and, if reports from GWS can be believed, they have been getting Tomlinson to run on the ball in the NEAFL and he's been getting ridiculous stats.
Will still need some small forwards and on-ballers but I really think we are looking to have a team that can't be matched up on easily. Multiple forward marking threats who have elite running capacity.
Chad Wingard might hit free agency elligibility soon....
Might be worth throwing a couple of dollars his way.
after third year of rebuild end of 2019 throw the kitchen sink at Jake Stringer will be 25 with six years of football in him.
Once we get these talented kids through the door next two years, will be time to bring in some serious players.. Bontampelli and Crippa in the midfield anyone.. that would be great... I mean why not Selwood and Dangerfield playing together same team.. ok I can stop dreaming now.
Back on topic ;)
This is what the coach thinks:
Northern Blues senior coach Josh Fraser analyses the games of the 15 Carlton-listed players who played in his side’s 40-point win over Frankston on Sunday afternoon.
26. Matthew Dick
Stats: 19 disposals (7 contested), 5 marks, 3 tackles
From the coach: He’s assuming a leadership role in our back seven, and on the weekend again he defended his man well and played his role in team defence. He was down on his usual offensive output but he again put in a solid performance.
31. Jayden Foster
Stats: 6 disposals, 4 handball receives
From the coach: ‘Foz’ was down on previous weeks: he got caught in between with positioning on occasion but he fought back well in the second half and tried hard as the game went on. He’ll bounce back.
34. Jesse Glass-McCasker
Stats: 6 disposals, 2 handball receives
From the coach: An inconsistent day from Jesse - some of his positioning is very good and his reading of the play is impressive, but he needs to impact in the air more consistently. He’s always making good improvements.
38. Billy Gowers
Stats: 22 disposals, 6 handball receives, 7 loose-ball gets
From the coach: He again played in the half-back role, and he found plenty of the ball in difficult conditions. He’s improving the defensive side of his game and providing good leadership and spirit amongst the playing group.
48. Kristian Jaksch
Stats: 13 disposals (6 contested), 4 marks, 4 inside 50s, 1 goal
From the coach: ‘KJ’ was probably down on what we’ve come to expect, even as a tall in those conditions. He wasn’t in position often enough and didn’t get enough of it: he did have opportunities in front of goal (1.3) but didn’t convert as he normally does.
14. Liam Jones
Stats: 9 disposals, 4 inside 50s, 5 tackles, 1 goal
From the coach: Similar to KJ in that it wasn’t the output from our tall forwards that we needed or expected. Having said that, Liam put on some elite defensive pressure for his position, he continues to work extremely hard and his leadership was a standout.
80. Matthew Korcheck
Stats: 3 disposals, 2 tackles, 12 hitouts
From the coach: He was one of our three ruckmen, so he got limited opportunities but his ruck work at stoppages is good. He took a mark inside 50, continues to show positive signs and the wet conditions were another new experience for him.
15. Andrew Phillips
Stats: 8 disposals, 3 clearances, 3 tackles, 25 hitouts
From the coach: Ithought ‘Flip’ was pretty good: it was his first game back in four weeks, he split ruck duties with Woody, had 25 hitouts and some of his follow-up work was terrific. He also showed some good examples of high-speed running which was really impressive for a big guy.
47. Ciaran Sheehan
Stats: 12 disposals, 3 rebound 50s, 6 handball receives
From the coach: I thought ‘Gussy’ was solid, keeping in mind he’s missed a fair bit of footy. He’s working hard on positioning, it’ll take a bit of time but his contest was really good and he used the ball well.
2. Jack Silvagni
Stats: 21 disposals, 7 marks (4 inside 50), 7 inside 50s, 4 goals
From the coach: It was a really exciting performance from Jack: his work-rate got him to many contests, his forward-50 pressure was great and his kicking and ball handling at times was elite in wet conditions.
67. Clem Smith
Stats: 13 disposals, 4 marks, 3 inside 50s, 5 tackles, 1 goal
From the coach: He shows some really encouraging signs, he just needs to work on his method. Clem’s high-speed running was in the top two: his work-rate is there but he needs to tidy up his game - if he can endure for four quarters, he can be a really damaging asset for us.
76. Jason Tutt
Stats: 26 disposals, 4 marks, 7 handball receives, 1 goal
From the coach: It was another good game from ‘Tutty’. His running was elite and the contested game has improved - some of his tackling was pleasing. He’s another player whose leadership is coming to the fore, and he’s been one of our most consistent over the season.
65. Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Stats: 15 disposals, 6 marks, 4 inside 50s, 3 clearances
From the coach: A patchy game from him. He does some really nice things but we just haven’t seen it often enough. He uses the ball well, but needs to work on running patterns and reaction time: he got used in a variety of roles.
42. Mark Whiley
Stats: 31 disposals (18 contested), 11 clearances, 10 hard-ball gets, 6 inside 50s, 1 goal
From the coach: A slow first quarter but he responded to be one of our best. It was a really combative performance, finished with seven tackles and kicked a nice goal: he put in a really solid game.
36. Cameron Wood
Stats: 7 disposals, 13 hitouts, 1 goal
From the coach: Combined ruck duties with Flip (Andrew Phillips) and got better as the game went on. He got in space and when he picks up his running capacity he’ll be dangerous for us. He was serviceable in the ruck and showed pleasing signs in his ability to get forward and work around the ground late in the game.
It's nice to see the comments about leadership. Bolton seems to be achieving the leadership density he wants.
While there are promising signs for some players, time could be running out for others.
Chad Wingard might hit free agency elligibility soon....
Might be worth throwing a couple of dollars his way.
The biggest FIGJAM FLOG currently in the game.
after third year of rebuild end of 2019 throw the kitchen sink at Jake Stringer will be 25 with six years of football in him.
Once we get these talented kids through the door next two years, will be time to bring in some serious players.. Bontampelli and Crippa in the midfield anyone.. that would be great... I mean why not Selwood and Dangerfield playing together same team.. ok I can stop dreaming now.
You're starting to think like the old Carlton again, buy buy buy. Forget those days mate, BB and the new Carlton is all about build build build.
The biggest FIGJAM FLOG currently in the game.
The Chad and The Package can shake hands on the front as far as I'm concerned.
Lamb and Sumner have been terrific in this regard and will only get better in opinion. Very accurate kicks for goal also.
Yup. They've been greta thus far.
Matty Wright, although a recently turned 26 yo, has been very good also.
I think they'd like Buckley to be able to play this role well also.
Gallucci looks handy.
Maybe why we are looking at Brandon Matera from the Suns (or so 'they' say).
OK, you bring in a bloke who hasn't yet developed the tank to run out a VFL game and play him out of position; that'll work ::)
Who said anything about playing him out of position?
Nothing to do with impatience. If you're kicking 3 or 4 goals in each game of VFL you're good enough to play. In you come. This is the opposite of impatience - this is letting performance dictate selection and ignoring the surname all together.
Weitering / CCurnow already went straight in - why should this guy be different just because of his last name?
Who said anything about playing him out of position?
Nothing to do with impatience. If you're kicking 3 or 4 goals in each game of VFL you're good enough to play. In you come. This is the opposite of impatience - this is letting performance dictate selection and ignoring the surname all together.
Weitering / CCurnow already went straight in - why should this guy be different just because of his last name?
Extra Expectation, extra Pressure, there is no one size fits all in football any more so you cant compare Weitering to Curnow to SOSOS...Jack Watts is an example of a player who should have been held back rather than thrown into the fray early..
I reckon Melbourne got it right with Jesse Hogan and gave him more time even though he was showing even more than Jack in the twos.....maybe at the end of the season he can be given an introduction game but I dont see it improving his football by playing seniors now..
Jack Watts is an example of a player who should have been held back rather than thrown into the fray early..
Such a convenient excuse for Jack. As if playing a couple of games when he was 19 equates to an excuse to play crape for 5 years. Never got that one.
SOSOS is no different from Curnow / Weitering. If your performance warrants it you play. BB has been on about that from the start.
Such a convenient excuse for Jack. As if playing a couple of games when he was 19 equates to an excuse to play crape for 5 years. Never got that one.
SOSOS is no different from Curnow / Weitering. If your performance warrants it you play. BB has been on about that from the start.
Have to agree. If his performances warrant selection, you pick and play him.
One rule, same rule, for all.
Who said anything about playing him out of position?
Nothing to do with impatience. If you're kicking 3 or 4 goals in each game of VFL you're good enough to play. In you come. This is the opposite of impatience - this is letting performance dictate selection and ignoring the surname all together.
Weitering / CCurnow already went straight in - why should this guy be different just because of his last name?
You suggested bringing Jack in for Nick Graham, an inside midfielder. If that happens, either Jack plays in the midfield or we are one down in our midfield rotations.
Folk seem to forget that Jack is coming off a shoulder reconstruction and has had very little football in the past 12 months. He is struggling to run out VFL games and his game time is being managed carefully.
Whether he plays or not has nothing to do with his surname, it's about whether he is fit enough and as good as the other contenders for a spot as a medium forward.
After reading josh Frasers appraisal I'd be surprised if we don't see him very soon if he keeps it up or even this week given the softer opposition
You suggested bringing Jack in for Nick Graham, an inside midfielder. If that happens, either Jack plays in the midfield or we are one down in our midfield rotations.
Folk seem to forget that Jack is coming off a shoulder reconstruction and has had very little football in the past 12 months. He is struggling to run out VFL games and his game time is being managed carefully.
Whether he plays or not has nothing to do with his surname, it's about whether he is fit enough and as good as the other contenders for a spot as a medium forward.
All this above! Have the SOSOS pushers seen him play live. Great skills, great courage, no frame, no tank! No hurry.
You suggested bringing Jack in for Nick Graham, an inside midfielder. If that happens, either Jack plays in the midfield or we are one down in our midfield rotations.
Folk seem to forget that Jack is coming off a shoulder reconstruction and has had very little football in the past 12 months. He is struggling to run out VFL games and his game time is being managed carefully.
Whether he plays or not has nothing to do with his surname, it's about whether he is fit enough and as good as the other contenders for a spot as a medium forward.
Didn't Graham replace Sumner (our forward pocket)?
Didn't Graham replace Sumner (our forward pocket)?
Graham and Byrne replaced Murphy and Sumner. Sumner is part of the midfield rotation and there is a fair bit of movement between forward and defence so bringing a defender in for a forward doesn't change the team balance or reduce the number of midfielders.
Didn't Graham replace Sumner (our forward pocket)?
He came in as a mid for Murph didnt he?
Graham and Byrne replaced Murphy and Sumner. Sumner is part of the midfield rotation and there is a fair bit of movement between forward and defence so bringing a defender in for a forward doesn't change the team balance or reduce the number of midfielders.
Oh yeah, forgot about Byrne.