This week the NBs travel to Kar St to play the rejuvenated Dolphins. The game is at 1410 on Saturday.
This week the NBs travel to Kar St to play the rejuvenated Dolphins. The game is at 1410 on Saturday.
That'd be Kars St Capt Crash ;) . And I'll be making the long trip to Franger to catch my first NBs game of the year. Looking forward to it.
Any one else heading to Franger for this game?
If I'm not mistaken it's also televised?
If I'm not mistaken it's also televised?
It's scheduled for broadcast.
That ground is in primo condition, if the weather is good it may be worth a visit, you don't want it windy though! ;D
It's scheduled for broadcast.
That ground is in primo condition, if the weather is good it may be worth a visit, you don't want it windy though! ;D
Sunny periods and 19. Yep, I'll be there, in the worst designed grandstand in the known universe. Then whip down to Hastings to visit the Skinny Bliss before returning home... late, so I've missed the seniors game >:D ;) :)
I thought of watching it on the teev, but when you're there you get to see who's working hard off the ball etc.
Sunny periods and 19. Yep, I'll be there, in the worst designed grandstand in the known universe. Then whip down to Hastings to visit the Skinny Bliss before returning home... late, so I've missed the seniors game >:D ;) :)
I thought of watching it on the teev, but when you're there you get to see who's working hard off the ball etc.
Not sure how long since you've been there, but they cleaned it up a bit in recent years. Buckenara is the GM, and he's improved facilities and services significantly. Even the outer side can bar isn't the sea of ugliness it used to be! ;D
Not sure how long since you've been there, but they cleaned it up a bit in recent years. Buckenara is the GM, and he's improved facilities and services significantly. Even the outer side can bar isn't the sea of ugliness it used to be! ;D
Not so long ago. The new grandstand has its pillars so badly placed that just about everyone has their view of certain parts of the ground obscured... long time since I've been in the bar though, in fact the last time I had a meal there Rhys was coach.
Northern Blues:
F: 29 J. Hill 5 T. De Koning 38 K. LeBois
HF: 3 J. Palmer 30 P. Kerr 26 J. Silvagni
C: 33 D. Lang 8 B. Myers 24 F. Pearce
HB: 57 E. Penrith 18 J. Weitering 45 M. Shaw
FB: 7 M. Blakey 43 J. Glass-McCasker 49 A. Schumacher
R: 36 M. Lobbe 1 T. Wilson 2 C. Polson
Int: 9 S. Fisher 25 K. Keppel 31 J. Lamb 22 C. McCabe 27 A. Milham
I am looking forward to a better effort this week. We have some good 'Ins', but where did MacReadie go?
Frankston
B: 45 K. Lylak 39 S. Masterson 44 M. Raine
HB: 16 B. Hillard 22 J. Batchelor 6 L. Williams
C: 10 T. Grace 5 W. Fordham 30 K. Gray
HF: 8 A. Ferreira 27 M. McCarthy 3 C. Rich
F: 28 L. Gill-Renouf 15 A. Jarnestrom 14 S. Williams
R: 1 L. Pierce 11 B. Mullane 17 A. Harnett
Int: 32 M. Cotter 26 M. DeWit 29 L. Edmondson 2 M. La Fontaine 19 C. Larkin
Pierce killed us in the ruck for St. Kilda recently.
Very happy that Weiters has been allowed to play 2s to regain some form.
Team looks pretty decent with Weiters, Lobbe, Lang etc in there
Macreadie - good question.
Very happy that Weiters has been allowed to play 2s to regain some form.
Team looks pretty decent with Weiters, Lobbe, Lang etc in there
Macreadie - good question.
Maybe Bolton thinks we need another tall defender in the seniors.... LOL
Maybe Bolton thinks we need another tall defender in the seniors.... LOL
At least if he did that with a modified game plan he'd have tried something instead of a carbon copy of 17 other teams!
At least if he did that with a modified game plan he'd have tried something instead of a carbon copy of 17 other teams!
Im looking forward to the week where we play all of Lobbe, Rowe, Kreuzer, Phillips, Casboult and De Koning.
The way things are travelling it will happen within the next 4 weeks.
Im looking forward to the week where we play all of Lobbe, Rowe, Kreuzer, Phillips, Casboult and De Koning.
The way things are travelling it will happen within the next 4 weeks.
You left out McKay!
It's not the tool that makes the tradesmen, it's how you use it! ;D
If you have some big blokes go out there with some physical intent and aggression, much like Casboult over the last couple of weeks, and I mean Mumford style intent, it will have an impact on our general performance. Kids like Dow and O'Brien will stand taller!
We are nowhere near anti-social enough on the field, we are perennially the road kill!
Not sure how long since you've been there, but they cleaned it up a bit in recent years. Buckenara is the GM, and he's improved facilities and services significantly. Even the outer side can bar isn't the sea of ugliness it used to be! ;D
Knocking back cans on the hill while watching the local footy... i’m getting emotional just thinking about it.
You left out McKay!
It's not the tool that makes the tradesmen, it's how you use it! ;D
If you have some big blokes go out there with some physical intent and aggression, much like Casboult over the last couple of weeks, and I mean Mumford style intent, it will have an impact on our general performance. Kids like Dow and O'Brien will stand taller!
We are nowhere near anti-social enough on the field, we are perennially the road kill!
Yep you are correct, I did indeed miss out on Mckay.
Call it a slip, hes the only one we don't want anywhere near the ruck at the moment (not because of ability but so we don't break him).
It's scheduled for broadcast.
That ground is in primo condition, if the weather is good it may be worth a visit, you don't want it windy though! ;D
It's supposed to be nice enough day with light winds. Hope to see the boys get a win, but won't be making the trip, the perks of being the boss is you work 7 days a week :P
Baggers, if you head down there tell me what you think of Scagliani, I've head some good things for a relatively lightweight player.
At junior level he was often the one holding the team together in adversity.
2pm on channel seven!
Looking forward to watching footy for the first time since the Gold Coast game.
2pm on channel seven!
Looking forward to watching footy for the first time since the Gold Coast game.
It's ugly so far.
Our ruckman number 27 is the laziest footballer I've ever seen.
Lebois in a bit of trouble with a shoulder injury :(
The umpiring is of a lower standard than the players if that's possible.
It's ugly so far.
Our ruckman number 27 is the laziest footballer I've ever seen.
Yep. Men playing vs boys.
Our boys seem to like it bruise free.
Weitering 10 touches in the first qtr.
Weitering 10 touches in the first qtr.
Silvagni zero.
Weitering's killing it back there.
Weitering's killing it back there.
He's classes above this level and it shows.
Silvagni getting a bit more involved and Polson hasn't got many tricks but he sure gets stuck in.
Weitering's killing it back there.
Good for building his confidence back up.
I have the sound down. Guessing the wind's blowing left of screen.
2 for Lobbe.
Schumacher will be a player with a few kgs.
Weitering 10 intercept marks to half time.
Weitering outstanding, Silvagni OK, does a lot of hard team things (tackles, blocks etc). Like the look of Schumacher, as said above needs some kgs, but his left foot is outstanding. Disappointed with what I've seen of Kerr, seems to be a one trick pony, and has zero influence when the ball hits the grouns. Looks to me like he needs it laces out, and he won't get that in our AFL team! Lang has done some nice things, disposal is good, but I'd like to see him get more of the ball
Telecast is 10000000 times better than nine's.... More long shots from one side of oval, less intrusive flog commentators.
Weitering outstanding, Silvagni OK, does a lot of hard team things (tackles, blocks etc). Like the look of Schumacher, as said above needs some kgs, but his left foot is outstanding. Disappointed with what I've seen of Kerr, seems to be a one trick pony, and has zero influence when the ball hits the grouns. Looks to me like he needs it laces out, and he won't get that in our AFL team! Lang has done some nice things, disposal is good, but I'd like to see him get more of the ball
Kerr takes a contested mark well and is a smart player.
Iinteresting how Fraser likes to use SOS alot as an inside mid, especially at stoppages but in the seniors use just use him up forward.
Schumacher looks like a nice late pick up.
Polson is a worker with no tricks but gets stuck in and uses it well enough.
Lobbe could be a real find for us. get him fit he's a class above this.
Weitering. Very good. Too good for this level. Can't play him and Jones in the same defence IMHO. They both like to help a team mate.
Jsos lots of nous. Needs to get a bit bigger and stronger without losing a yard and has a future in the midfield IMHO.
Matt Shaw ok but unspectacular. Needs to get more involved.
Kerr relatively unsighted aside from a hospital handball to Jack In the first quarter. Likes to throw his weight around in contests. Delivery hasn't been good to him.
De Koning looks a player. Nice mark and goal, protects the ball drop and extends the arms.
Lebois off after five seconds in a heavy hit. Broken collar bone. That's him done.
Schumacher for pick seventy shows promise. Apparently a Carlton supporter growing up which is positive. Looks a player.
Jesse Glass-Mckasker very much just a lock down player. No future at AFL level IMHO aside from a lock down role but doesn't seem smart enough.
Lang. Seems alright. Not as quick as I remember and needs to get more involved. I think the ankle might still be giving him grief. Hobbles a little.
I think that's it. For now.
Great goal started by powerful mark by Kerr.
Thanks for the post Thry. Keep it up.
Great goal started by powerful mark by Kerr.
And repeat. Finished by Fisher
Screamer by DeKonig
Another big, strong mark to Kerr but boy did the wind take it away. It was right on target then took a right turn...lol.
Fisher looks like a handy left footer. We've done well into the wind in this quarter.
Dolphins may have started to slow down a bit now.
Weiters 15th mark. To Kerr. Point :-\ :-\
Weiters 15th mark. To Kerr. Point :-\ :-\
Wind really grabbed the kick.
We've selected so good, young blokes. Has to pay off at some stage....surely.
Wonder why Bolton does give SOS a run in the midfield occasionally. It' helps Cripps and then he wouldn't rot all day on our forward line getting nothing. A run in the midfield might help his confidence.
Bloody Carlton and their red time goals. Never addressed.
56 to NBs 53 at 3/4 time
Kerr impressive. Weiters has his tail up.
We're 2 players down. With the breeze
Kerr puts us back in front.
Kerr puts us back in front.
Then puts us further in front.
Wind is carrying that ball a mile.
Two in a minute to Kerr. 9 point lead with the wind.
According to commentary weiters rallied the troops at three quarter time stating not to just think it's going to happen.
Clean pick up and goal Kerr.
And repeat.......
Clean pick up and goal Kerr.
And repeat.......
And just missed a 3rd one.
Frankston have lost their ruckman who's been the dominant big man all day against milham and De Koning. Lobbe broke even with him but lobbe has been off since half time as he's being managed.
Hill puts us further ahead. This one's done. Four points in the bag.
Be pretty hard to stuff it up from here, even for us.
VFLW won, NBs look like winning, .....
Hill goal.
Need to sustain pressure
Be pretty hard to stuff it up from here, even for us.
:-X
Lang looks very sore. We won't be seeing him at AFL level any time soon.
Patch of pressure from Jack
Lang looks very sore. We won't be seeing him at AFL level any time soon.
X2
I suspect TDK is gonna be a player. Composed.
DeKonig keeping amongst it. 2nd goal.reads play well from what I've seen
Weiters strong intercepts
70% DE
Goes on the left foot from the boundary does Kerr and nails it.
Weitering BOG by a country mile, other than that it's hard to get a line on form because Frankston has been very poor since quarter time.
105 tackles
Kerrs 3rd from boundary
DeKonig keeping amongst it. 2nd goal.reads play well from what I've seen
We've picked well, has to pay off at some stage. Schumacher looks a player too.
Kerrs 3rd from boundary
And used his left foot from the set shot.
Weiters 16th mark
26 possession
Poulsen will make it. Just need to be patient and let him develop. Re Lang, second match back after a long lay off is generally hard because you are so sore after the return.
Weiters 16th mark
26 possession
17 marks, been excellent.
Poulsen will make it. Just need to be patient and let him develop. Re Lang, second match back after a long lay off is generally hard because you are so sore after the return.
That's fair but Lang looks like he's playing under duress IMHO and isn't moving well and hasn't done all game.
He's gotten through the game well enough though which is positive.
Jesse Palmer's been impressive
We need a goal to get 100!
Jack 18 possessions 9 tackles
Siren. A win is a win.
Jack 18 possessions 9 tackles
12 contested.
Q4 6.6 to 0
Great finish NB
Triple figure tackles!
Gosh it’s been a long time since a win - this has made me
Very happy!!!
Triple figure tackles!
That was good, they chased and harassed all day.
I hope that the senior players were watching.
That was good, they chased and harassed all day.
I hope that the senior players were watching.
Yes, a miracle win to make it three from three would be great.
Here's the question....whatever the result is tonight do we rush these guys (Silvagni, Weitering)straight back into the seniors or do we leave them here for a couple of weeks?
In one of the earlier VFL reviews they spoke of playing Jack more as a mid at this level in order to ''add a few strings to his bow"
Would that learning experience be as productive at senior level at this stage?
In-game comments suggested that Weitering was controlling and directing at this level. Showing some leadership. That's a trait worth developing to give him added confidence before a senior return.
I'm not sure which is the best way to go given the state of our senior side's season.
Kerr is the most impressive player in that team and should be playing seniors, about the only player on the list who shows physical intent, crashes packs and has skills to go with it...Jack is a battler but Kerr is a player who can win games and intimidate. Those left foot goals show how talented he is, not sure how many of our right footed players can kick on their left like he can...
Weitering was excellent and a class above the Frankston bananas they had playing forward........
Lang was ok for his first hit out and I was impressed with Lobbe and De Koning....
Sam Fisher from the Swans was handy as was Shaw from GC.....
Here's the question....whatever the result is tonight do we rush these guys (Silvagni, Weitering)straight back into the seniors or do we leave them here for a couple of weeks?
In one of the earlier VFL reviews they spoke of playing Jack more as a mid at this level in order to ''add a few strings to his bow"
Would that learning experience be as productive at senior level at this stage?
In-game comments suggested that Weitering was controlling and directing at this level. Showing some leadership. That's a trait worth developing to give him added confidence before a senior return.
I'm not sure which is the best way to go given the state of our senior side's season.
Weitering was so much above that level it was ridiculous. He needs to come back in but someone needs to be dropped as we are way too tall.
SOS looks very suited inside the crushes of the midfield stoppages. Looks a different player. Fraser uses him in the midfield happily, why doesn't Bolton give him a run there sometimes rather than rotting in our impotent forward line. As it does with Casboult giving him a run on the ball it will help SOS's game alot with a run there.
Weitering was so much above that level it was ridiculous. He needs to come back in but someone needs to be dropped as we are way too tall.
We'll probably be getting Marchbank back as well.
I'd put Kerr in the seniors before Jack.....Jack worked hard but his kicking is sloppy and he lacks some polish and finish to his game.
He also needs to stand his ground more when other players are giving it to him, he wont be quick ever but I think a stronger Jack will make him a better player who can play a few positions and versatility will be his key to staying in the seniors...
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/05/05/jacob-weitering-takes-17-marks-in-vfl-return-from-injury/
Triple figure tackles!
A strong focus today especially since we looked like we were being out-bodied and out-tackled early in the game. A good effort today imo. Stuck to our task doggedly.
I wouldn't be rushing Silvagni back into the seniors but playing Weitering in the VFL is bordering on the ridiculous when our senior side can't win a game.
It reminds me a bit of when we had Nick Stevens running around for the Bullants and Darren Pfeiffer in the seniors.
Weitering looked great today - assured and in control. Hopefully he's ready to come back after that. Jack really put in imo but he seems to be learning a new role with more time on the ball. Maybe he needs a bit longer.
NB Website:
BESTS
Northern Blues: Weitering, Silvagni, Shaw, Polson, Kerr, Lang
I watched the last 3-1/2 quarters from Can Hill, a couple of my mates had kids playing for the Dolphins so I stood with them.
It was an ordinary game, lots of tackles recorded because in general very poor ball use. We were smashed in the ruck by Pierce, we tried Lobbe, Milham and De Koning, none of them looked likely but De Koning tried hard.
Lang is miles away, he looked old and slow, he does not look comfortable as an onballer, he has no idea! Wilson and Polson were clearly our preferred starting midfield.
Weitering took a heap of marks, but he was basically the loose defender all day long. Most of the day he and JGM argued about who was going to pick up the last forward. On the plus side his ball use is sorely missed from our ones, he was the only player on the ground from both teams that had any disposal efficiency worth talking about.
Silvagni puts in but continually turns into trouble. His disposal was rubbish, kicks 3 out of 4 at the toes of team-mates. Frankston were quite a fast side but a small side, it should have been a day for SoJ to dominate overhead but most of his marks came on leads.
Kerr kicked a few late, but otherwise had a bad day at the office, wasn't getting to the fall of the ball and when he did he dropped the marks more often than not.
Polson was OK, but he lacked the ability to break free, even against a team that gives him a reasonable size match.
Hill should be pensioned off, like our seniors he wasted most of the footy he got hold of!
De Koning was OK, took two mighty marks, based on today's game you give him a crack ahead of Kerr or Silvagni. But Kerr clearly has the size and strength to play AFL.
I thought Fisher was probably our best, ran all day!
If Frankston had been better with ball use they would have smashed us, they made us look ridiculously slow, and Pierce killed us for 3 quarters. It's only that the Dolphins basically kept kicking that ball to 2 on 1 contests in which Weitering was the spare player!
Not sure what our game plan was, it appeared non-existent.
We looked dog tired after 1/4 time, but still looked the same at the end while the Dolphins dropped off heavily!
Overall a win, probably due to our heavy AFL content with extra fitness, Dolphins have school teachers and tradies playing for them, but nothing to write home about!
After a lot of hard work and ugly footy, it seemed the boys clicked... albeit against a side with a great attitude, lots of grunt but little finesse.
Weiters started well in terms of positioning himself, but dropped marks and his disposal was dreadful, BUT, as the game progressed he got his mojo back and was backing himself beautifully. Took many of his signature marks and disposal became deadly. Easily BOG. Was also vocal down back... good stuff.
Really liked Polson's game. Got some mongrel and kept us in it early. But as others have noted, he hasn't many tricks but could be an evolving tag... quick, strong, bit of mongrel and likes it in traffic.
A few of us noted a few weeks ago that SOJ wasn't cutting it as a forward and suggested that due to his good reading of the game/play and terrific work ethic that he'd potentially be a v.g. inside mid. Well, his game, especially in the 2nd half, in traffic, in the heat of battle, was bl00dy terrific. I'd be leaving him in the Magoos to learn on-ball craft and build fitness. He and Polson were tackling machines in tight.
Love Shaw's composure down back. I don't think he wasted a disposal... just what you want from a HB. Every kick seemed to hit a target, lace out, over long distance. Just needs to impose himself a little more on the contest.
Schumacher is a good pick-up. Looking forward to watching him develop. Could be a ripper.
The big Dutchman has got something special. We've got a future player with this guy... once he learns the game. Really enthused about his potential.
Kerr seemed discombobulated for most of the first half, but once he 'woke up', he was hard at it and the Frangers found him a handful ;)
Lang showed his ability and smarts early on but tired. Another game or two in the Magoos and he'll be a solid inclusion to the seniors.
Lobbe looked right at home and helped keep us in the game in the first half... will be a top notch back up.
Sorry but JGM, unless something dramatic happens, will be delisted at years end.
Well!! Those 2 reports were interesting to read????
Well!! Those 2 reports were interesting to read????
I had a giggle too... ah, it'd be a boring world if we all saw things exactly the same! :)) :))
Weitering. Very good. Too good for this level. Can't play him and Jones in the same defence IMHO. They both like to help a team mate.
I agree - Jones has pinched Weiters' spot - both of them are better as zoning defenders - especially if they don't have an opponent as Weiters didn't for much of today's game.
However, Jones is much faster, a more decisive defender, a better kick and has some capacity to play man-on-man - unlike Weiters who really struggles against a leading forward.
I agree - Jones has pinched Weiters' spot - both of them are better as zoning defenders - especially if they don't have an opponent as Weiters didn't for much of today's game.
However, Jones is much faster, a more decisive defender, a better kick and has some capacity to play man-on-man - unlike Weiters who really struggles against a leading forward.
Jones is a waste of time, he punches what Weitering marks, Weitering in form gives us control of the footy while Jones punching creates chaos!
Weitering was very good for the NBs. One bright light on a dull day for the club
I agree - Jones has pinched Weiters' spot - both of them are better as zoning defenders - especially if they don't have an opponent as Weiters didn't for much of today's game.
However, Jones is much faster, a more decisive defender, a better kick and has some capacity to play man-on-man - unlike Weiters who really struggles against a leading forward.
...and thats about the size of it.
Nothing against Weitering, but the way he plays doesn't suit our senior side with the players we have in it. The boy can play, but he needs to play HIS way and he simply won't get that in the seniors most weeks with specifically Jones, and even Marchbank (when fit) playing the role better than him.
He'll get recalled this week, in preference to O'Shea (i hope) and should go alright.
After a lot of hard work and ugly footy, it seemed the boys clicked... albeit against a side with a great attitude, lots of grunt but little finesse.
Weiters started well in terms of positioning himself, but dropped marks and his disposal was dreadful, BUT, as the game progressed he got his mojo back and was backing himself beautifully. Took many of his signature marks and disposal became deadly. Easily BOG. Was also vocal down back... good stuff.
Really liked Polson's game. Got some mongrel and kept us in it early. But as others have noted, he hasn't many tricks but could be an evolving tag... quick, strong, bit of mongrel and likes it in traffic.
A few of us noted a few weeks ago that SOJ wasn't cutting it as a forward and suggested that due to his good reading of the game/play and terrific work ethic that he'd potentially be a v.g. inside mid. Well, his game, especially in the 2nd half, in traffic, in the heat of battle, was bl00dy terrific. I'd be leaving him in the Magoos to learn on-ball craft and build fitness. He and Polson were tackling machines in tight.
Love Shaw's composure down back. I don't think he wasted a disposal... just what you want from a HB. Every kick seemed to hit a target, lace out, over long distance. Just needs to impose himself a little more on the contest.
Schumacher is a good pick-up. Looking forward to watching him develop. Could be a ripper.
The big Dutchman has got something special. We've got a future player with this guy... once he learns the game. Really enthused about his potential.
Kerr seemed discombobulated for most of the first half, but once he 'woke up', he was hard at it and the Frangers found him a handful ;)
Lang showed his ability and smarts early on but tired. Another game or two in the Magoos and he'll be a solid inclusion to the seniors.
Lobbe looked right at home and helped keep us in the game in the first half... will be a top notch back up.
Sorry but JGM, unless something dramatic happens, will be delisted at years end.
Nice post Baggers. Agree with will all that. TDK will be something as you say. Schumy looks the goods also. Youre right abour Shaw, 7for s scruffy looking bloke, he is composed and doesnt waste. Could he be a replacement for Simmo I wonder? Just to allow Simmo to go back to the 2s and get some form with the ball in hand as he has been deplorable.
Jones is a very strong mark and times his run well on most occasions. At the moment it is all about ‘see ball, punch ball’ which can create opportunities for the opposition. If you mark thecball, when appropriate, you have full control.
Jones is a very strong mark and times his run well on most occasions. At the moment it is all about ‘see ball, punch ball’ which can create opportunities for the opposition. If you mark thecball, when appropriate, you have full control.
TC I must say, he appeared to mark more than usual last night.
Jones is a very strong mark and times his run well on most occasions. At the moment it is all about ‘see ball, punch ball’ which can create opportunities for the opposition. If you mark thecball, when appropriate, you have full control.
But is Jones playing to instructions? He is a good mark when he wants to be.
Jones is a very strong mark and times his run well on most occasions. At the moment it is all about ‘see ball, punch ball’ which can create opportunities for the opposition. If you mark thecball, when appropriate, you have full control.
Jones is not an overhead mark, he wants to continually take chest marks, if the opportunity doesn't arise he punches even when he is mostly unopposed in the air. This means we do not get control of the ball, put Weitering in that same role and he'll mark the ball and then hit a target by foot.
I've been thinking about this a little and the decision between Jones and weitering can be highlighted thus:
Weitering is a smarter defender than Jones. He uses it better, will sum up options better and will run faster than he does today and is a future player who can play right now. He won't get rag dolled for too much longer, and will probably rely on his smarts and strength rather than athleticism.
Jones best is the best in the league BUT it comes with the caveat that he relies so heavily on his closing speed and ability to leave a man and go help someone else. He's capable of winning and losing a match all in the same quarter.
If you want a reliable ten year defender weitering plays. If you want a highlight reel it's Jones. The other alternative is teach them to play together. They've shared a defense for what 8 matches? Sometimes these things take time.
Marchbank is a different type IMHO. He's athletic but he's no key position player.
I've been thinking about this a little and the decision between Jones and weitering can be highlighted thus:
Weitering is a smarter defender than Jones. He uses it better, will sum up options better and will run faster than he does today and is a future player who can play right now. He won't get rag dolled for too much longer, and will probably rely on his smarts and strength rather than athleticism.
Jones best is the best in the league BUT it comes with the caveat that he relies so heavily on his closing speed and ability to leave a man and go help someone else. He's capable of winning and losing a match all in the same quarter.
If you want a reliable ten year defender weitering plays. If you want a highlight reel it's Jones. The other alternative is teach them to play together. They've shared a defense for what 8 matches? Sometimes these things take time.
Marchbank is a different type IMHO. He's athletic but he's no key position player.
I wonder if the MC will be tempted in Casboult's pending absence to bring Weitering into defence and try Jones up forward again! Would not surprise me at all!
I wonder if the MC will be tempted in Casboult's pending absence to bring Weitering into defence and try Jones up forward again! Would not surprise me at all!
I did think of that, but Jones just isn't a smart footballer and doesn't make good decisions.
I did think of that, but Jones just isn't a smart footballer and doesn't make good decisions.
True, but he'll more than compete in the ruck, and has great 2nd efforts as long as he doesn't try to do too much!
People forget Leuenberger will be back next week after suspension, CheatsFC will play Bellchambers, Leuenberger, Daniher, Hooker, Hurley, Ambrose, Goddard, Stringer all together, they will almost be bigger than Adelaide.
We played SoJ for bits in the VFL midfield yesterday, he'll be able to do OK inside, he may even have blokes like Kennedy covered if Kennedy fails to find a yard. But they'll both be support acts for Cripps, we need to find a peer for Cripps who is a genuine a chop-out not more support acts. Even a smaller type of a Carrazzo type standard, Polson, Lang, SPS, Kennedy, at the moment are not the answer. Long term Charlie looks like he could be but do you waste him there?
If Phillips or Lobbe can lift their ruck work, Kreuzer is more than capable, but it's another case of robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Frankston 4.4-28 5.6-36 8.8-56 8.8-56
Northern Blues 1.0-6 6.4-40 8.5-53 14.11-95
NORTHERN BLUES
Goal Kickers: P. Kerr 3, J. Velissaris 2, T. De Koning 2, M. Lobbe 2, J. Palmer 2, A. Schumacher, J. Hill, S. Fisher
Best Players: J. Weitering, C. Polson, A. Schumacher, J. Silvagni, P. Kerr, D. Lang
FRANKSTON
Goal Kickers: C. Rich 2, L. Pierce, S. Williams, T. Grace, B. Mullane, L. Williams, A. Jarnestrom
Best Players: S. Masterson, L. Pierce, B. Hillard, B. Mullane, J. Batchelor, A. Jarnestrom
33. Darcy Lang: Looked a long way from being ready to play. He didn’t spend a lot of time in the middle, playing mainly on a wing. He was serviceable, but he is weeks away from being AFL ready. He didn’t show a huge amount of speed or acceleration, but his kicking was OK.
30. Paddy Kerr: In the first half he was having an ordinary game and was not able to get anywhere near it. He wasn’t leading much and the kicks were going nowhere near him unless they were in a pack.
After that he showed quite a bit, especially a few brains and strength. His kicking was good. Once he got his confidence up he was a very difficult match-up. I have been a bit disappointed with his pace all year: he seems to have lost a little as he has bulked up.
26. Jack Silvagni: I liked Jack’s game because he wasn’t on the receiving end: he went and got his own ball. In the tight confines of the middle he managed to get his hand in, or his body in and do a lot of good. He also managed to get possessions where he would not as a forward, and his decision making was excellent.
But I do wonder what has happened to his kicking for goal: it was so good when he started, but now he can’t hit the side of a barn.
I reckon the midfield suits Jack in a lot of ways, even though Frankston tried to rough him up. But he must really work on his fitness and pace. Pace especially, even if it is only a 5 m sprint.
I wouldn’t promote him yet> I’d let him have more games as a mid in the VFL.
49. Angus Schumacher: The lad showed more than a little, but he needs to work on his body and fitness big time. I noted that he was the kick of choice from Full Back. His hands were good and he has a future.
2. Cam Polson: In a lot of ways this was the best game I have seen from Polson. When he was getting a lot of ball last year he was a very outside player and dropped off the scene when the pressure was exerted. Not this year. He still needs some work, but his inside play was much improved. He didn’t break away as much as I would like, but he showed enough to work with.
18. Jacob Weitering: The best game that Jacob has played in quite a while. He was the general in defence and he really led it. He was very vocal and showed great on field leadership.
However, I would not rush him back into the seniors unless there was an injury. Why? Frankston played him very poorly and allowed him to remain loose. He was allowed to play the sort of game he played as a kid. Had they matched him up, it may have been a different tale.
In the first half he got a lot of the ball, but of the 10 marks he took in the first half, all but one (the last) was a 2 o 3 or 4 grab mark. He couldn’t take a one grabber when matched up on Ferreira, who is much smaller.
After half time all of his marks were 1 grab, a great improvement. His kicking was excellent, but he generally went back for his kicks and did not move the ball on quickly at all. Not even once.
He is still very slow. He really needs to work on that.
I wouldn’t promote him until he takes an opponent apart. He has not been able to play loose once in the seniors, not the way we are playing. He needs to get confidence actually beating someone.
36. Matthew Lobbe: It was good to see Lobbe out there. His experience and calmness was excellent and he kicked 2 goals from strong marks.
Note seniors: he was one out, not in a huge pack!
Is ruck work started ordinarily, he struggled against Pierce’s strength, extra height and athleticism. However, as the game went on he got to breaking even in the ruck and stopped Frankston getting first use of the ball.
Next week he will be getting a full game against Willi.
You can see how his injuries have affected him. At his best he had a huge spring at the centre square. Didn’t see any of that yesterday.
5. Tom de Koning: Young de Koning continued his promising form yesterday. He took a couple of nice marks and tried hard in the ruck. His kicking was nice and getting a couple of goals was an excellent result.
He is going to take some time, but he is looking promising.
43. Jesse Glass-McCasker: Jesse played as a key defender and wasn’t bad yesterday, but he continually lives in that border-zone. Unlike a lot of our defenders, JGM actually plays his man closely. That is not a bad thing. His marking has improved, but he almost take a huge number of marks. Yesterday two of his ‘almosts’ led directly to Frankston goals that simple wouldn’t have happened if he had held the mark.
Another time he took an excellent defensive mark only to turn the kick over close to goal.
I can see why we kept him on, but he needs to complete things if he is going to go on.
45. Matt Shaw: Shaw was very good early, but dropped out of the game. He was extremely solid and hit his targets. I’d be bringing him in is Plowman doesn’t come up. He doesn’t have huge pace, but neither does Plowman after his injuries. (Plowman looked so much faster as an U18 that I can barely recognize him at times.) Shaw also adds some mongrel: he does not take a backwards step. His solidity and his ability to stick with a man impressed me.
38. Kym LeBois: Injured in the first 30 seconds and will miss a month: a real pity as he impressing until this week.
Of the VFL players on our list:
16. Jean-Luc Velissaris: First time I’ve seen that lad and actually knew who he was. I was impressed with his pace and his willingness to take the game on. I liked what I saw. Not so sure about the defensive side of his game, but he attacked very nicely.
3. Jesse Palmer: Another very solid effort as a mid-sized forward. His goal kicking was nice and his defensive pressure was a pleasure.
29. Josh Hill: I’ve never really been a fan of Hill. He is not a pressure player. He proved it again yesterday, but he played easily his best game in our colours so far. He is a part of many scoring opportunities. I’d like to see him work harder, but that has always been his problem.
9. Sam Fisher: His best game for us by some margin. He had 11 tackles and rally put in. His goal was lovely. His put a lot of pressure on and was one of our better mids on the day. I am hoping this is a sign of things to come.
12. Brendan Myers: Hurt his shoulder, but he was very solid and hard working in the middle. This was the best effort I’ve seen from him.
27. Angus Milhan: Promising in the ruck, but he ended with 1 possession. He didn’t aim his taps very well and he had some problems with the physicality of Lewis Pierce, but he was probably our most effective ruckman on the day. He really does have some promise, as he does go to the right spots and he does fly for marks.
24. Fraser Pearce: Not a great game, but solid enough. He did some nice things.
25. Kane Keppel: Played in defence as a key defender and had a very good game. He doesn’t tend to make the mistakes that JGM does and he could be an option for a close defender at year’s end. I really like the way he plays.
7. Mason Blakey: Very consistent player who is also an ‘almost’ type. He has promise.
22. Chris McCabe: A solid performance that improved as the day went on. May lack that express pace, but he was in the play and making tackles.
57. Ethan Penrith: Not many opportunities to show his flair yesterday, but he does look to be promising. He really does have pace and dash.
1. Tom Wilson: Love the way he gets to the bottom of packs. His has his limitations, but he is a cut figure and deserves to be.
Likes and Dislikes:
[1] The slow start: Frankston came to play and had bigger bodies and tried to muscle our kids out of it. It actually worked early. The wind ruined their kicking.
[2] I loved the tackling. Over 100 tackles was fantastic. Now if the seniors can do that! Seriously, if Carlton had 100 tackles each week we would win a lot.
If the NBs can keep it up, I will be rapped!
[3] Rucks: Having 3 rucks was very useful, but none of them was a match winner. In fact, the Frankston ruckman, Pierce, won the duel for most of the day. Mind you, Pierce was one of St Klda's best when they beat us last. That they can afford to allow him to play for Frankston shows that they think they have real ruck depth.
I really liked the way our rucks fought it out and managed to keep Pierce from dominating, as our rucks were better around the ground.
[4] I really like the way we lifted. That was brilliant.
Likes and Dislikes:
[1] The slow start: Frankston came to play and had bigger bodies and tried to muscle our kids out of it. It actually worked early. The wind ruined their kicking.
[2] I loved the tackling. Over 100 tackles was fantastic. Now if the seniors can do that! Seriously, if Carlton had 100 tackles each week we would win a lot.
If the NBs can keep it up, I will be rapped!
[3] Rucks: Having 3 rucks was very useful, but none of them was a match winner. In fact, the Frankston ruckman, Pierce, won the duel for most of the day. Mind you, Pierce was one of St Klda's best when they beat us last. That they can afford to allow him to play for Frankston shows that they think they have real ruck depth.
I really liked the way our rucks fought it out and managed to keep Pierce from dominating, as our rucks were better around the ground.
[4] I really like the way we lifted. That was brilliant.
Where were you watching from Crash?
I was on the outer wing in front of the drums near the can bar, not far from Weiter's aunt. You couldn't miss her, she's a cross between Hey Hey's Mrs Migillicutty, Spoon Lady and Bea from Prisoner a voice like a fog horn! When the lads gave it to Weiters as he come onto the bench she stood up and gave them a gob full and they all shut up, it was quite funny, she's hell of a character the exact opposite of Weitering!
Where were you watching from Crash?
I was on the outer wing in front of the drums near the can bar, not far from Weiter's aunt. You couldn't miss her, she's a cross between Hey Hey's Mrs Migillicutty, Spoon Lady and Bea from Prisoner a voice like a fog horn! When the lads gave it to Weiters as he come onto the bench she stood up and gave them a gob full and they all shut up, it was quite funny, she's hell of a character the exact opposite of Weitering!
I was watching the TV. I really wanted to be there, but I couldn't organize it. Family commitments.
I wanted to have my girls see the first VFLW match with the Blues.
I haven't seen a lot of VFL games for a while and it does irritate me. Maybe I can get to some more when we move back to Melbourne. But there are still a number off issues to be solved there yet.
I was watching the TV. I really wanted to be there, but I couldn't organize it. Family commitments.
I wanted to have my girls see the first VFLW match with the Blues.
I haven't seen a lot of VFL games for a while and it does irritate me. Maybe I can get to some more when we move back to Melbourne. But there are still a number off issues to be solved there yet.
Had some great days at VFL or suburban footy, many many years ago in the Federal League we'd gather near the can bar and burst into a chorus of The Drinking Song if things got boring! The drummers at Frankston aren't too bad, but those days are long gone, I wonder who has organised that, it won't be spontaneous somebody is remembering days gone by! ;D
Penrith:...has pace, nous but disposal is erratic..
Wilson....hasnt grown much since his days at the Nuna Vikings but he gives you plenty....just not enough tricks to warrant a rookie spot....
Milhan...dud.....
Jessie GMac.....dud
Palmer from Port.....Brad Pearce type, has some talent but needs to do more.
Josh Hill....ok but but slow and not dominant like he should be...disappointing IMO.
Sam Fisher from the Swans...knows his way around a footy ground and has something...rookie potential or maybe I just like lefties as they kick the ball well..
Pearce...VFL battler
Keppel...see Pearce, has some grunt but not much else..
Jean-Luc Velissaris....not bad, bit of confidence about how he plays..
McCabe...VFL only....
Blakey..seen him play better, lacks a bit of size and strength...
18. Jacob Weitering: The best game that Jacob has played in quite a while. He was the general in defence and he really led it. He was very vocal and showed great on field leadership.
However, I would not rush him back into the seniors unless there was an injury. Why? Frankston played him very poorly and allowed him to remain loose. He was allowed to play the sort of game he played as a kid. Had they matched him up, it may have been a different tale.
In the first half he got a lot of the ball, but of the 10 marks he took in the first half, all but one (the last) was a 2 o 3 or 4 grab mark. He couldn’t take a one grabber when matched up on Ferreira, who is much smaller.
After half time all of his marks were 1 grab, a great improvement. His kicking was excellent, but he generally went back for his kicks and did not move the ball on quickly at all. Not even once.
He is still very slow. He really needs to work on that.
I wouldn’t promote him until he takes an opponent apart. He has not been able to play loose once in the seniors, not the way we are playing. He needs to get confidence actually beating someone.
That's a good observation - Weitering doesn't really know how to move the ball on quickly. He's always taking the mark, falling over, dropping back behind the mark, taking his time, then kicks. Usually by then all the down field options are covered so he's either chipping sideways or bombing down the line.
That aint good.
He should be left in the seconds until he stops being so afraid of making a mistake. Make 10 mistakes in the VFL - nobody cares. Just keep taking risks.
Not true. I've seen weitering play before and most of this stuff is recent.
Not true. I've seen weitering play before and most of this stuff is recent.
I'm referring to all of last season an this season. I see a nervousness to him that wasn't there year 1.
I'm referring to all of last season an this season. I see a nervousness to him that wasn't there year 1.
Not sure why you remember it that way, but it seems far from the reality.
I think you are forgetting the good and remembering the bad.
I'm referring to all of last season an this season. I see a nervousness to him that wasn't there year 1.
x2....Got hit in the shoulder and hasnt wanted hard contact since...played well vs Frankston but in that intercept role vs smaller kids from the burbs.
He hasnt lost talent but has lost confidence....been sad to watch too as he looks miserable when playing seniors....
I'm hoping Saturday's outing has helped Weitering turn the corner.
Last year and this (in the seniors) he has often been a liability - seemed timid and even sooky. But against the Franger, he eventually showed some of that 1st year judgement...backing himself and playing to his strengths after a shaky start. He's a monty to return to the seniors as keeping him at twos level will likely, eventually, backfire in terms of his confidence. He owned the backline once he backed himself again and it's no coincidence that as he gained confidence the entire side benefitted and never looked like losing. I think he enjoyed having the backline to himself v Franganistan.
BUT, as Ye Rat O' the River pointed out (so astutely of course) that playing he and Jones together, who play very similar roles, is fraught with danger. One for the MC / defence coach to sort out. Perhaps Jones to the key forward and Weitering the no.1 'loose in to help' dude... if it's the other way around (which you can justify because Jones is so quick) you're left with a slow Weitering minding one bloke and not playing to his strengths.
I'm hoping Saturday's outing has helped Weitering turn the corner.
Last year and this (in the seniors) he has often been a liability - seemed timid and even sooky. But against the Franger, he eventually showed some of that 1st year judgement...backing himself and playing to his strengths after a shaky start. He's a monty to return to the seniors as keeping him at twos level will likely, eventually, backfire in terms of his confidence. He owned the backline once he backed himself again and it's no coincidence that as he gained confidence the entire side benefitted and never looked like losing. I think he enjoyed having the backline to himself v Franganistan.
BUT, as Ye Rat O' the River pointed out (so astutely of course) that playing he and Jones together, who play very similar roles, is fraught with danger. One for the MC / defence coach to sort out. Perhaps Jones to the key forward and Weitering the no.1 'loose in to help' dude... if it's the other way around (which you can justify because Jones is so quick) you're left with a slow Weitering minding one bloke and not playing to his strengths.
Jones pace is wasted if all he does is punch the ball. Who would to rather have, the relatively slow but reliable reading of play and strong intercept marking of Harry Taylor, or the extreme closing speed but chaotic defensive punches of Liam Jones. For me in defense it's a no brainer!
But put those chaotic punches in our F50, and make sure the smalls are disciplined enough to be aggressively roving to them, and the whole scenario changes.
Those punches and the chaos they create is exactly what defenders dread, Jones creates it in our D50!
I'm hoping Saturday's outing has helped Weitering turn the corner.
Last year and this (in the seniors) he has often been a liability - seemed timid and even sooky. But against the Franger, he eventually showed some of that 1st year judgement...backing himself and playing to his strengths after a shaky start. He's a monty to return to the seniors as keeping him at twos level will likely, eventually, backfire in terms of his confidence. He owned the backline once he backed himself again and it's no coincidence that as he gained confidence the entire side benefitted and never looked like losing. I think he enjoyed having the backline to himself v Franganistan.
BUT, as Ye Rat O' the River pointed out (so astutely of course) that playing he and Jones together, who play very similar roles, is fraught with danger. One for the MC / defence coach to sort out. Perhaps Jones to the key forward and Weitering the no.1 'loose in to help' dude... if it's the other way around (which you can justify because Jones is so quick) you're left with a slow Weitering minding one bloke and not playing to his strengths.
Be interesting his opponent this week...Essendon run a tall forward line, Daniher, Hooker and Stewart......not sure which one he would get?
Last year and this (in the seniors) he has often been a liability - seemed timid and even sooky.
A lot of people say this about him, but it's just his facial expression, even since his school days he's looked a little sad even when he is clearly happy!
BUT, as Ye Rat O' the River pointed out (so astutely of course) that playing he and Jones together, who play very similar roles, is fraught with danger. One for the MC / defence coach to sort out. Perhaps Jones to the key forward and Weitering the no.1 'loose in to help' dude... if it's the other way around (which you can justify because Jones is so quick) you're left with a slow Weitering minding one bloke and not playing to his strengths.
I no longer trust our MC, not just from Weitering perspective but how they have handled lots of our kids. For one, I suspect their desire for multiple utilitarian type options is basically covering their own lack of ability to coach! They want all players to be everything for everyone. Secondly, they seem to be specialists at running kids out of form and destroying confidence. The only thing they seem to be good at is the Luddite "Throw them in the Deep End approach!", followed closely by play them outside their comfort zone! Our kids haven't even learned to play they role they are gifted at, and we want them doing something different!
Take McKay for example, lost of noise about him rucking in Casboult's absence, relatively this kid has almost never rucked in his entire junior career, he always been in sides that left him as a KPP. So we'll probably ruck him while two blokes who have rucked previously in Rowe and Jones stay back as KPPs.
There is a clear reason players leave and progress. As one poster mentioned earlier, Gibbs pretty much took a side swipe at our player development in a recent interview by highlighting how good he thought the Crows setup was!
Our approach seems chaotic at best, I hope the club and the MC have a plan because it's very hard to see it from the outside!
A lot of people say this about him, but it's just his facial expression, even since his school days he's looked a little sad even when he is clearly happy!
I no longer trust our MC, not just from Weitering perspective but how they have handled lots of our kids. For one, I suspect their desire for multiple utilitarian type options is basically covering their own lack of ability to coach! They want all players to be everything for everyone. Secondly, they seem to be specialists at running kids out of form and destroying confidence. The only thing they seem to be good at is the Luddite "Throw them in the Deep End approach!", followed closely by play them outside their comfort zone! Our kids haven't even learned to play they role they are gifted at, and we want them doing something different!
Take McKay for example, lost of noise about him rucking in Casboult's absence, relatively this kid has almost never rucked in his entire junior career, he always been in sides that left him as a KPP. So we'll probably ruck him while two blokes who have rucked previously in Rowe and Jones stay back as KPPs.
There is a clear reason players leave and progress. As one poster mentioned earlier, Gibbs pretty much took a side swipe at our player development in a recent interview by highlighting how good he thought the Crows setup was!
Our approach seems chaotic at best, I hope the club and the MC have a plan because it's very hard to see it from the outside!
I didn't base that comment on facial expression but rather his reactions to intense crunches, risks, minor injuries etc. :)
Jones pace is wasted if all he does is punch the ball. Who would to rather have, the relatively slow but reliable reading of play and strong intercept marking of Harry Taylor, or the extreme closing speed but chaotic defensive punches of Liam Jones. For me in defense it's a no brainer!
But put those chaotic punches in our F50, and make sure the smalls are disciplined enough to be aggressively roving to them, and the whole scenario changes. Those punches and the chaos they create is exactly what defenders dread, Jones creates it in our D50!
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good point!
My 2 bobs worth...
Polson was great. His intensity was top shelf stuff. Played a very good inside/outside blend of midfield craft and, apart from his u18 days, this was the first time since being a Carlton footballer that I was quite excited by what he brings. Played a tough brand of footy too, which could also be said for a few others such as Schumacher, De Koning and Jack Silvagni. They kept putting their head over the footy and their bodies on the line. Impressive fro kids against quite a physical team of hard nosed men, who tried to bully and beat our kids up from the get go. Though this was the biggest sign of improvement from our big group of young kids. Their resilience, toughness, unity and intensity. Top notch stuff! Now to back in up this week!!!
Thanks for that Pratty.
Nowadays I read the NB reports with mixed feelings. I read about good/very good performances from player x, y etc. and the first thing I think to myself is whether they can play at this level in the seniors, at which point I become somewhat disheartened. If the gap between AFL and VFL wasn't so great, we might have a good chance with most of these blokes.
Sigh..................
Thanks for that Pratty.
Nowadays I read the NB reports with mixed feelings. I read about good/very good performances from player x, y etc. and the first thing I think to myself is whether they can play at this level in the seniors, at which point I become somewhat disheartened. If the gap between AFL and VFL wasn't so great, we might have a good chance with most of these blokes.
Sigh..................
With modern footy tactics it is very hard to dominate even at the lower levels, as the team and the tactics are so heavily structured. Players do not get the freedom to go down to VFL and achieve ridiculous results.
With modern footy tactics it is very hard to dominate even at the lower levels, as the team and the tactics are so heavily structured. Players do not get the freedom to go down to VFL and achieve ridiculous results.
Maybe not, but we seem to have many players who look the goods at VFL, and seem to come up short at senior level.
Maybe not, but we seem to have many players who look the goods at VFL, and seem to come up short at senior level.
I think it's changed significantly over the last couple of seasons.
Before then I agree, but now both VFL and AFL are different.