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Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #60 –
I'd be interested in knowing how much of a difference Darren Burgess has made to the Crows. They came out with the pedal to the metal, and there they remained for the whole game IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #61 –
I, too, tipped against us, but only by 2 points! Not 10 goals ffs.

Thankfully we were out and missed the game, excited to potentially watch the replay today. Obviously won’t bother with that.

Haven’t been convinced of our cohesiveness in the preceding games. We were lucky to beat GWS coz we tuned out but then got a fright and just squeaked it out.  North smashed us at times, then we turned it on but again let go a sizeable lead to limp to the end.

What I see is still a big reliance on the ONE that pulls us up, H against Geelong in the end taking those important marks when we nearly crap ourselves again, Cripps 3rd quarter against Geelong and GWS, Cerra against North.  Where is our team desire to win and kill the opposition? It’s just not there.

Sick of the injuries too, every year same old.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #62 –
Lods, McGovern is probably an essential component for our success, and straight away there is a major problem.

How can we build a reliable defence which includes a player who is more likely than not to be injured for a major part of the season?

For how many years have we wasted a spot on our list because we believe Marchbank, when fit, is an essential player?

While we have Martin, Williams, Cuningham and half a dozen players barely at AFL level clogging up our list we will remain a mediocre, middle of the road side. 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #63 –
Quote from: blueday on
Let's talk about injuries. Each and every year we play at a disadvantage, 10-15 blokes unavailable seems the norm. Decisions need to be made, a player who is a gun but isn't available is useless. Our fitness guru has seen no improvement in speed or injury rates. Fitness and injury management need a clean out. Players like Williams, Marchbank, Cunningham etc we need to play or move on. We can't be successful playing with a smaller list than the competition.

You’re correct, Charlie and Doc can go empty their lockers…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #64 –
Defence was all over the place.
Midfield had little cohesion in clearances and the lads looked off their feet.
Three games with 6 day breaks two of them being interstate.

3 wins
1 draw
1 loss

After five rounds is a solid start but crucial our mids to build cohesion next 10 weeks

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #65 –
Quote from: laj on
Saw it coming and tipped Adelaide. Helped my tipping immensely.

After following Carlton for 60 years you get an idea when they aren't going to turn up to play. No-one does "not turning up to play" better than Carlton, even in premiership years. We had 2 worse losses than last night in 1995. As long as they break last night down, go over what was wrong, then just focus on next week. It is the first loss. It'd not about the loss, it's about the rebound and what we learnt. We can get overworked up about one loss in a 23 game season. Stinkers will happen at near all sides. Geelong was 5-4 after 9 rounds last year.

The only difference, LAJ, was that in 1995 all games prior to those two hidings (against the Fluffy Ducks and the Aints) were very impressive wins, even dished out a few hidings. Then followed up with a 102 pt drubbing of the Dawks after the 2 losses.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #66 –
"Saw it coming", "Didn't turn up", "The loss we had to have", what a load of crape!
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #67 –
There’s also the question of whether our 2 losses in 1995 to Sydney and St Kilda were a result of Carlton being raging favourites against bottom teams, allowing the boys to back against themselves to fund the end-of-year footy trip. Backing the opposition to win by over 39 would have attracted juicy odds.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #68 –
History Lesson
2017     Richmond Premiers.
Won 15 games but lost 7
Round 6   Richmond 10:4 vs Adelaide 21:14
Round 16  Richmond 10:11  vs St Kilda 21:12

Perspective after 5 rounds.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #69 –
We have given back the win we had over Geelong. No credits left we now must win the games we are expected to win. Will be a tight finals race this year I think

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #70 –
Quote from: Macca37 on
Lods, McGovern is probably an essential component for our success, and straight away there is a major problem.

How can we build a reliable defence which includes a player who is more likely than not to be injured for a major part of the season?

For how many years have we wasted a spot on our list because we believe Marchbank, when fit, is an essential player?

While we have Martin, Williams, Cuningham and half a dozen players barely at AFL level clogging up our list we will remain a mediocre, middle of the road side. 



Nailed it.  Couldnt agree more
 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #71 –
Quote from: Micky0 on
Where is our team desire to win and kill the opposition? It’s just not there.

Sick of the injuries too, every year same old.
On these two points, one may be a cause of the other.

We lack the killer instinct, we look glad to be there at times, not like we belong at all, when the heat is on we become victims and victims are always the ones who get hurt.

Until we learn to inflict some pain, we will continue to suffer it!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #72 –
There is no doubt we got the shortest of short straws for the Gather Round.....

Adelaide, on the other hand get an extra home game (Port Adelaide too).

To make the weekend totally fair, those two should have played each other.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #73 –
Quote from: tonyo on
To make the weekend totally fair, those two should have played each other.
Of course the AFL is all about fairness over profit, ..........not, so they have gone for 2 x Sell Out Crowds over one blockbuster!

Not sure the AFL had even planned our meek surrender, I think they might have preferred a stirring Crows win over a steamroll!
The Force Awakens!
 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #74 –
That was as appalling an effort I have watched for a long time. I haven't watched Voss' press conference but I understand he made some comment about not turning up to play. I have argued a long time that Carlton's lack of success has not been about the quality of the players, coaches, football department, the CEO, administration or even the Board, though it would be good if they wood just get out of the way sometimes, I believe that the problem at Carlton is all about the Club Culture. Elliot and his cronies absolutely destroyed our winning culture and the Club has been unable to re-find it. Winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. The Club is the most comfortable and rewarding environment for any player to achieve mediocracy. We sack coaches, change administrations and seek success from outsiders while taking no responsibility and showing no leadership from within. I think the Club was pretty comfortable finishing ninth last season. We had all summer to dwell on how unlucky we were and how we were ready to take the next step. As I have said, I don't think we missed out on the top eight last season, I think we missed out on the top four.
Last night the team lacked pace, lacked skills, lacked endeavor, lacked leadership, lacked fitness, didn't play as a team, didn't run out the quarters and didn't turn up. Picking and choosing when they are going to play and have a go has been a problem at the Club since the late nineties. This is what I am referring to when I say the problem is culture. The players and coaches keep saying what an honour it is to play in front of the large and passionate Carlton member and supporter base but they regularly treat us with disrespect and contempt by simply not being bothered or prepared to have a go.
When was the last time a Carlton team went on a run and won a large number of games in a row and set the competition alight. How often do we paly exhilarating games of football. Setanta and his little helpers, Geelong in 2011, the second half against Brisbane when Teague took over, the comeback against the Bulldogs, the win against the Dockers when Murphy kicked the winning goal. That is five games in fifteen years. And it is not about winning. We lost that game against the Bulldogs but the crowd was roaring. So here we are again, another season and the same old rubbish. We have the players, we have the coaches, we have the administration but it is still the same old Carlton. Time to sack the Coach and change the Board. That always works.
One thing we do need is more pace in the mid-field. The only two players we have who fit this criteria are Dow and Fisher. It is interesting that the only time this season our mid-field has been effective was when Fisher was up their.