AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

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Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #75 – May 14, 2023, 10:14:19 am

Quote from: madbluboy on May 14, 2023, 10:12:26 am

If Saad didn't cover for others we would have got done by 8 goals.

His howler was literally right in front of me. To be fair, he ran into the post and when he got up, he was telling teammates he thought he dragged it over the line. Felt sorry for him.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #76 – May 14, 2023, 10:18:25 am

Again last night, I noticed something that may be a guide as to where we are at as a playing group. Bear in mind, it may just be a personal gripe from a cranky old man too.

When the Dogs needed a goal and one of their players kicked one, they didn't appear to "showboat"to the crowd instead preferring to instinctively get together as a group and patted the player on the head or on the back, they hugged and embraced and genuinely showed their pride & passion in the work that had been done. To me, it showed a genuine unity, it showed regardless of the circumstances, they are a team first & foremost.

On the flipside, each time Owies kicked a goal, he ran towards the boundary and beat his chest to the fan base in a manner that to me, looked like he was saying "aren't I sh/t-hot" instead of the expected "come on lads, kick some butt" rev-up. Charlie did it a couple of times too, he generally does that sort of thing after a goal too.

I get what our players are doing but it still looks like we are disenfranchised and playing more as individuals.

And can we stop that low high-five crap too, it looks forced to me. A player does what he is expected to do (e.g. bundles the ball over the boundary whilst keeping an opposition player at bay) and two of our players make a point of running 15-20m to him to put the hand out and they slap palms - what a wank !!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #77 – May 14, 2023, 10:30:13 am

Quote from: laj on May 13, 2023, 10:17:40 pm

I was way more pissed off with the last 5 minutes than anything in the first half.

I vote for Harry's cross-body shot at goal and Cripps' cross-body shot at goal with his left foot as the most 'piss-offable' moments.

The coaching staff needs to ban this BS.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #78 – May 14, 2023, 10:32:40 am

Quote from: cookie2 on May 13, 2023, 10:55:57 pm

What game were you watching? Too busy working on your scorched earth policy and compiling your sacking list? Negative or what?

Quote from: LordLucifer on May 14, 2023, 08:45:48 am

Not negative, just honest !!
Acres' kicking last night was appalling, did you not see him kick it behind our player or directly to an opposition player ?

Pretty sure I read somewhere that Acres' 8 kicks had 0% efficiency. Overall he had 47.1% efficiency. Only Weitering and Cripps were worse

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #79 – May 14, 2023, 10:38:24 am

Quote from: PaulP on May 14, 2023, 07:49:00 am

Walsh was his usual industrious and hard working self.

Agreed but even his kicking has devolved and he adds to the turnover tally - maybe trying to thread the needle into too-small spaces.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #80 – May 14, 2023, 10:39:52 am

Quote from: madbluboy on May 14, 2023, 10:12:26 am

If Saad didn't cover for others we would have got done by 8 goals.

I want him to stop his man kicking goals, if everyone does the basics we win.
I know Saad helps others but that's not working and we need other defenders to be accountable too.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #81 – May 14, 2023, 10:45:41 am

Quote from: RiverRat on May 14, 2023, 10:38:24 am

Agreed but even his kicking has devolved and he adds to the turnover tally - maybe trying to thread the needle into too-small spaces.

Yep, you can argue that he is still rusty after a long lay off, or you can argue that he is trying to be a play maker, trying to make things happen, and is therefore going for the more difficult disposals. Either way, his good outweighs his bad by a considerable margin IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #82 – May 14, 2023, 10:47:55 am

Cornes just gave Walsh second BOG.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #83 – May 14, 2023, 10:51:45 am

English led Pitto a merry dance around the ground and ran away from him several times to create a link. Having said that, I thought Pitto was very, very good in the ruck contests (particularly boundary throw ins) because he played a couple of metres in front and blocked English's run - I was surprised that he didn't have a free kick paid against him.

Unless he was injured, I can't understand whey Kemp was omitted. Apart from his recent performances, his presence freed up Young to play back-up ruck to good effect whereas Silvagni was way too small to offer the same contest. Having said that, I thought Jack contested his heart out (when doesn't he) as a spoiler. Also, surely Kemp would have offered much more as a sub than Ed.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #84 – May 14, 2023, 10:52:21 am

On offsiders I don’t know the commentators name but he said Voss has over corrected and now has to rebalance - offensively we were great last year and trash now, he said to rebalance that and most other things are tracking ok.

I hope so. It’s been really pitiful watching the decline of what last year - at times - was off your seat exciting skilful impressive play!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #85 – May 14, 2023, 10:53:54 am

Quote from: Micky0 on May 14, 2023, 10:47:55 am

Cornes just gave Walsh second BOG.

So did I, but that doesn't alter the fact that he has been turning the ball over and not hitting targets. If he had, he might have been BOG and we might have won the game.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #86 – May 14, 2023, 10:56:27 am

Quote from: Professer E on May 13, 2023, 11:23:11 pm

That Brownlow medallist is becoming a massive problem. His inability to defend is killing us.

I know I identified this post earlier, but there is more about Cripps that needs be said.
[1] His form is really down, and it isn't just because he gets scragged before he gets the ball (although that doesn't help). He tackles manly in the centre square, but he doesn't chase anyone down. I'd like to see a little more effort in that area, as teams realize they have him beaten for pace and steady. That doesn't help anyone.
[2] His disposal effectiveness is way down. He has kicked one goal this season. Mind you, he isn't alone there. Last year our mids would often spring up and score. This year, nada. But that big problem is that his efforts, no matter how herculean, are not being rewarded. I couldn't count the number of times he put his body on the line, for the possession to be affected by weight of numbers and for it to fall short of a team mate.
[3] He is not holding his marks. He is almost taking marks and not being rewarded by the Umpires, for guys hanging off him either. When he is at his best, he holds the marks and then makes something happen.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #87 – May 14, 2023, 10:58:04 am

Quote from: Micky0 on May 14, 2023, 10:52:21 am

On offsiders I don’t know the commentators name but he said Voss has over corrected and now has to rebalance - offensively we were great last year and trash now, he said to rebalance that and most other things are tracking ok.

I hope so. It’s been really pitiful watching the decline of what last year - at times - was off your seat exciting skilful impressive play!

Last year we often dominated centre clearances and took advantage of the 6/6/6 rule. This year, that has not been the case and our disposal efficiency (or lack thereof) has made it very difficult to find space for our forwards to contest one-on-one when we move the ball forward so slowly.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #88 – May 14, 2023, 11:14:53 am

Quote from: LordLucifer on May 14, 2023, 10:18:25 am

Again last night, I noticed something that may be a guide as to where we are at as a playing group. Bear in mind, it may just be a personal gripe from a cranky old man too.

When the Dogs needed a goal and one of their players kicked one, they didn't appear to "showboat"to the crowd instead preferring to instinctively get together as a group and patted the player on the head or on the back, they hugged and embraced and genuinely showed their pride & passion in the work that had been done. To me, it showed a genuine unity, it showed regardless of the circumstances, they are a team first & foremost.

On the flipside, each time Owies kicked a goal, he ran towards the boundary and beat his chest to the fan base in a manner that to me, looked like he was saying "aren't I sh/t-hot" instead of the expected "come on lads, kick some butt" rev-up. Charlie did it a couple of times too, he generally does that sort of thing after a goal too.

I get what our players are doing but it still looks like we are disenfranchised and playing more as individuals.

And can we stop that low high-five crap too, it looks forced to me. A player does what he is expected to do (e.g. bundles the ball over the boundary whilst keeping an opposition player at bay) and two of our players make a point of running 15-20m to him to put the hand out and they slap palms - what a wank !!

I think your off the mark on couple of fronts, the bulldogs showboated after goals I can assure you, it was right in front of me, especially JUH the flog. As for Owies, it was also in front of me, he grabbed the jumper like it meant something to him and he as telling the Carlton faithfull on the fence as much. I loved that display from Owies, like SOS, the jumper means something to him, there was nothing "look at me" about it. He stood up last night, more than I can say about many others. I personally wont be criticising him for a long while, he belongs.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #89 – May 14, 2023, 11:19:24 am

Quote from: pinot on May 14, 2023, 09:56:30 am

Its not so much the mistakes - they are going to happen and going to cost goals. Its choking the opponent in transition and being solid winning the ground balls. In the past teams used to stroll through our midfield and defences for easy goals. I think we are a tough team to score against as defensive transitioning is best part of our game right now.

With respect Pinot, the mistakes were awful and amateurish, I get it you can't stop over fwd foray but FMD some of the crap I saw last night (again let me emphasise right in front of me and I was very close to the action) was terrible. Its the first time I have been able to use my seats at Marvel in two years and as much as I despise the joint, my seats are rippers. Behind the point post, row D of level 2. You can hear the players talk clearly.