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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #105
Our midfielders have different but complementary skill sets and it’s their collective abilities that overcome the opposition midfield.  That collective is not as effective without Hewett.
Yes, 100% agree, fans tend to be a bit myopic and anything other than 100% agreement with their perspective / assessment of what is good is a certain sign of weakness.

Even this week after the post match presser were Voss outlined how players compliment each other, we still have some arguing for one against the other, it's clear the fans don't get it, they want one pick and they think their pick is the only correct pick.

Fans seem to forget football is a team sport, the whole can be greater than the sum of the individuals provided the individuals are prepared to sacrifice to make those around them better. A great player who won't sacrifice can actually be detrimental to the team.
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #106
I disagree.  Hewett is an accomplished run with player who can nullify an opponent while still getting plenty of the ball.

Our midfielders have different but complementary skill sets and it’s their collective abilities that overcome the opposition midfield.  That collective is not as effective without Hewett.

You disagree, sure, but you only say what Hewitt offers.

I'm not disputing any of that.

However, if the game was there to be won, would your negating player win it for you?

I find it far more likely that Kennedy would be one to....
Get a clearance.
Take a strong contested grab.
Kick a goal.

Again, nothing against Hewitt, i like him, but i think Kennedy offers more. Very strong at the contest, great hands and kick at goal for his size. I've said it before, but i'd like to see him used in a medium forward role in a similar fashion to Silvagni. He can lead, mark and kick a goal, plus he's good on the ground.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #107
$1.5 Million as his first year sign on fee - five year deal $5.25 million which takes him to 33 yrs of age. Would he get us across the line for two premierships in that time, I think, yes he would. We would have to cough up at least two first rounders to the Dogs and probably sweeteners and pick swaps. You would first put it to his manager, then if he was open to it, table it with the Dogs. They are on the way down potentially with a new coach, and which of these clubs in most likely to grab two cups in his remaining playing career? That would probably now be Carlton.
They would never trade Bont and he wouldnt leave the Whitten oval, he is rusted on there as a legend and probably their greatest player along with Teddy Whitten sr.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #108
Then WTF are we chasing Gresham on serious coin?  No more massive deals for less than top shelf players, we've carried such types for a long time already.

I was warming to picking up Gresham, but certainly not on big coin and quite frankly, he's not durable and he's another who doesn't do enough often enough.
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #109
Then WTF are we chasing Gresham on serious coin?  No more massive deals for less than top shelf players, we've carried such types for a long time already.

I was warming to picking up Gresham, but certainly not on big coin and quite frankly, he's not durable and he's another who doesn't do enough often enough.

Are we chasing Gresham or is it just idle speculation by football commentators with time on their hands and audiences to titillate?
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #110
Are we chasing Gresham or is it just idle speculation by football commentators with time on their hands and audiences to titillate?
I think the commentators problem might be that with too much time on their hands they spend a bit too much time titillating themselves!
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #111
No way known is Gresham what we need - I think we have 4 or 5 on the list already who are not much different from him.  

What we really need is either 

(a) a running machine or
(b) a competent third option forward (if Jack goes out the door)
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #112
Nothing I saw of Gresham on Sunday impressed me. In fact didn't he miss a relatively easy shot on goal from directly in front? We already have Owies and Fogarty doing that for us. Do we really need another?

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #113
Nothing I saw of Gresham on Sunday impressed me. In fact didn't he miss a relatively easy shot on goal from directly in front? We already have Owies and Fogarty doing that for us. Do we really need another?

No.
I'm hoping it's media inaccuracies or old news. Perhaps we enquired before our forward line got into sync.
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Working together is success.
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #114
The more I think about it, the more it appears to me Gresham is the exact opposite to what we need. We require a high impact, game changing, small to mid height, lighting quick forward with excellent goal sense and kicking skills.

Gresham is none of those so we should be spending our time and money either finding one or drafting one with the potential to be that. He is barely best 23 for them, doesn't impact games, is slow, doesn't kick enough goals, he is Fisher on valium.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #115
Nothing I saw of Gresham on Sunday impressed me. In fact didn't he miss a relatively easy shot on goal from directly in front? We already have Owies and Fogarty doing that for us. Do we really need another?

I don't disagree with you at all.

The only thing i'd say is I, and quite a few on here, thought the same when we played against Freo and Cerra before he came across to us. That turned out alright.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #116
The only thing i'd say is I, and quite a few on here, thought the same when we played against Freo and Cerra before he came across to us. That turned out alright.
God yes. I was one of those. I also thought we'd paid too much for Saad! Still, can't see any sort of upside with Gresham. Anyway, probably won't happen so the point is probably moot

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #117
The only thing i'd say is I, and quite a few on here, thought the same when we played against Freo and Cerra before he came across to us. That turned out alright.
Bit of a difference.

Cerra was a gun at Freo, Gresham makes up the numbers at The Aints.

What has Gresham shown us that makes us confident he's going to be an upgrade, he has to be an upgrade on someone like Owies, SoJ, Motlop, etc. etc., because nobody will displace Harry and Charlie as our 1st choice forwards so it's 3rd wheel at best, unless of course there is a swap deal going on between us the Aints.


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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #118
Bit of a difference.

Cerra was a gun at Freo, Gresham makes up the numbers at The Aints.

What has Gresham shown us that makes us confident he's going to be an upgrade, he has to be an upgrade on someone like Owies, SoJ, Motlop, etc. etc., because nobody will displace Harry and Charlie as our 1st choice forwards so it's 3rd wheel at best, unless of course there is a swap deal going on between us the Aints.

That is hindsight speaking.

Go have a look at the last 2 games we played against Freo when Cerra was in freo colours. Not many people wanted him.

Now all of a sudden he was a gun?

 

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #119
I don't disagree with you at all.

The only thing i'd say is I, and quite a few on here, thought the same when we played against Freo and Cerra before he came across to us. That turned out alright.

As I recall, many people were concerned that we'd pay overs for Cerra and lots complained that pick 6 was too much (I think I was among them).  I don't think there was much opposition to adding Cerra to our list; he was already a genuine and developing talent.

I was among those who wasn't particularly pleased about adding Adam Saad to our list.  I thought that he was a smaller, faster version of the Emu and always running himself into trouble.  I'm more than happy that I was proved wrong about Saad but I do think that he fits into our team and gameplan(s) better than he did at Essendon.

Gresham's best footy is behind him, his disposal is poor, he doesn't provide much defensive pressure inside 50 and he hasn't been able to command a spot the saints 22.  In fact, he would be a downgrade on all of the blokes who have played small forward for us this season.

I really can't see why we'd entertain adding him to our list apart from the fact that he's a free agent and won't cost us a draft pick ... unless we get compensation for a free agent leaving.

I'm convinced that there's nothing to this but media speculation.
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