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Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #30 –
If it's an iliopsoas.

The iliopsoas tear in addition to affecting my footy also ended my career as a bowler at cricket, it's basically the core muscle that controls the pivots between your upper body and hips. The bit critical for bowling. The Psoas are muscles you use to stand up straight, sit up straight on a chair without using the backrest, or to cross your legs.

For amateurs they do not operate, at least not back when I did it. Back then it wasn't a trivial operation because of where the Psoas muscles sit, but there may be modern keyholes procedures for that now, there wasn't in my day.

The specialist told me it was just too big of an operation to justify it, the average person can live fine pain free with it damaged. You are just a little less stable and balanced, with reduced power at certain tasks like walking up stairs, climbing ladders. Your body does adapt over time, as muscles around the core pick up the slack so to speak, but it takes a few years. In some cases of groin or lower back pain they even deliberately cut the iliopsoas to relieve tension.

You'd think a professional sportsperson already has a head start, they are probably another level up in core strength already!

If it's an iliopsoas!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #31 –
Quote from: LP – on
We might not have a choice!

Do you get the contradiction in those two posts, I gather it wasn't an accident!

I'm not stating a preference there by the way. We could bring Lang and Phillips in - both under done. I'd prefer we didn't pick either but our selectors have got form.

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #32 –
Quote from: spf – on
Patrick Kerr definitely has some run in his game, he surprised me at times with how quick he appeared to be across the ground for a guy that size. Seems to get to dangerous spots and is a good kick at goal. I think he also has that natural desire to want to get the ball.
Patrick is quite fast in a straight line. He can, and has, run people down from behind because he doesn't look to be as quick as he is.
He is not so good at changing direction quickly. He isn't hopeless, but he is never going to be able change direction like Eddie Betts did.
Last year he had hip problems that really hurt his mobility. He missed footy at the end with a hip op and is probably not 100% yet. But he is getting better and his leading on Thursday was much better than the delivery to him.
He has appeared to work on his body strength. He is much better in that area than he was last year. Not to say that he cant improve more in this area, but his body strength, compared to Jack Silvagni's, say (similar age bracket), is much better. Not having that extra couple of cms doesn't help him in such situations, but he is never going to be 210 cm.
He can kick the 50 m comfortably, so he is a danger even when not close to goal.
I would like to see more negative things, especially running guys down, but Patrick doesn't have a huge tank yet. He is improving steadily and his attack on the ball is pretty good.
I haven't seen him take a pack mark yet.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #33 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Patrick is quite fast in a straight line. He can, and has, run people down from behind because he doesn't look to be as quick as he is.
He is not so good at changing direction quickly. He isn't hopeless, but he is never going to be able change direction like Eddie Betts did.
Last year he had hip problems that really hurt his mobility. He missed footy at the end with a hip op and is probably not 100% yet. But he is getting better and his leading on Thursday was much better than the delivery to him.
He has appeared to work on his body strength. He is much better in that area than he was last year. Not to say that he cant improve more in this area, but his body strength, compared to Jack Silvagni's, say (similar age bracket), is much better. Not having that extra couple of cms doesn't help him in such situations, but he is never going to be 210 cm.
He can kick the 50 m comfortably, so he is a danger even when not close to goal.
I would like to see more negative things, especially running guys down, but Patrick doesn't have a huge tank yet. He is improving steadily and his attack on the ball is pretty good.
I haven't seen him take a pack mark yet.

I thought strength was already one his biggest assets. Last year he was doing that stuff with a hip injury and still held down the ruck work for a period in a mostly ruckless team!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #34 –
Quote from: LP – on
I thought strength was already one his biggest assets. Last year he was doing that stuff with a hip injury and still held down the ruck work for a period in a mostly ruckless team!
Last year he was rarely one out when it came to strength. In that situation he took maybe one mark in four: not a bad result. Certainly, body strength and positioning was not a weakness.
He was in one on ones a few times the other night and he had the better of 2 opponents in that regard. We couldn't get the ball down that much, but Kerr was always dangerous.

Last year, when it hit the ground, it was all over for Patrick. His recovery needs work, as he tends to put in a really big 1st effort and be off balance when he doesn't get it.

What I really liked is that Patrick led and led and led the other night. He only stopped to wrestle when the ball was bombed down.

At the moment, with Jack Silvagni going so badly and appearing to be not as desperate as he can be, I'd be very tempted to play Patrick Kerr. Patrick won't get rag-dolled. He's dangerous from outside 50 and he leads well enough.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #35 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
At the moment, with Jack Silvagni going so badly and appearing to be not as desperate as he can be, I'd be very tempted to play Patrick Kerr. Patrick won't get rag-dolled. He's dangerous from outside 50 and he leads well enough.

I think Kerr is a natural KPF, 194cm x 94kg sees him in a good.

Would be in questionable fitness state coming off his surgery though, not sure Etihad suits him but I'm sure he'd put his hand up to debut anywhere any time.

I think SoJ needs to find a spot in a HFF/HBF role, to me his work rate makes him an ideal 4th forward, and he's quite good with hands at and around stoppages. He struggles being the 2nd or 3rd tall, he loses one of his natural advantages.

I think the problem fitting him in is Casboult, but if Casboult has to ruck then Kerr would be my pick ahead of McKay simply due to strength.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #36 –
I don't like the idea of dropping young blokes after 1 game, especially against the reigning premiers. Jack wasn't great, but he did sacrifice his game at times to take Rance out of the play, and I thought he competed OK when the ball was in his area. I'd much prefer to give him another couple of games against lesser sides and see what he can do, I thought he showed pretty solid improvement during 2017, let's give the kid a go

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Jack Burton – on
I'd much prefer to give him another couple of games against lesser sides and see what he can do, I thought he showed pretty solid improvement during 2017, let's give the kid a go

Will playing too many out of form forwards penalise Charlie Curnow, he'll become the 100% focus of opponents. Should Charlie have to pay that price?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #38 –
Quote from: Jack Burton – on
I don't like the idea of dropping young blokes after 1 game, especially against the reigning premiers. Jack wasn't great, but he did sacrifice his game at times to take Rance out of the play, and I thought he competed OK when the ball was in his area. I'd much prefer to give him another couple of games against lesser sides and see what he can do, I thought he showed pretty solid improvement during 2017, let's give the kid a go

M feelings about Jack are well known, but I agree. Give him a chance to work through it.

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #39 –
After Thursday Charlie will be the number 1 target for every defense we play for the rest of the year!

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Jack Burton – on
After Thursday Charlie will be the number 1 target for every defense we play for the rest of the year!

If the others can gain some form Charlie will be free to get up the ground and hurt KPDs with his run, it won't be so easy to match him up.

If SpecialK doesn't get up it could be a short term blessing, because the out of form Casboult will be forced up the ground and the club will have to look at a KPF alternative.

I thought Casboult looked better marking up the field, although he had a couple of ruck shockers, he looked like he needed the KPF pressure taken off him.

Jones was OK at times but had some shockers as well, one thing that brought him to form in the VFL was having a run in the ruck. We haven't seen that at all at AFL level yet.

On thing McKay or Kerr will do if they get a run, is hurt defenders who get in their way, we need a bit of that inside F50.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #42 –
Tom DeKoning is as a good prospect, that lacerated kidney was very bad and he lacked a bit of confidence after it healed but he has come back strong and is a real athlete.
Big thing about him is he takes contested pack marks and can kick goals.....is an heir to the Casboult throne IMO.

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #43 –
Was also happy with the review of O"Brien, we need him to be good!!
 

Re: 2018 VFL Practice Match: Northern Blues vs Richmond

Reply #44 –
Quote from: LP – on
Great VFL review from Fraser, this bloke is gold, yet not tinsel!

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-03-27/vfl-player-review-v-richmond

Yes, I reckon Fraser is one of the best additions to our coaching staff this decade  ;)

While he tries to find something positive to write about every player, he does give a good insight into how his players are travelling.  I suspect that he has more than the odd discussion with Bolts and SOS about who deserves another contract and who should be let go.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!