Carlton Supporters Club

I'm more than comfortable with all of that and don't disagree with any of it....
But what I'm seeing in some arguments is a greater emphasis and trust to different aspects.
It's natural to choose aspects that support your point of view.
If you're a fan of Bolton it won't be the coaches' fault it's injuries or the players.
If you're not it's all the fault of the coach.
It's occurring on both sides of the discussion.

Let me give an example

SOS says Liam Stocker was really worth pick 6....that sounds brilliant drafting strategy.... we believe the club.
Chris Judd says ….we never expected to be 1 and 8....That's just spin because the club wouldn't have said from the start we expect to be 1 and 8....we don't believe the club.

It's selective choosing to fit a point of view.
It's the same for some arguing in reverse...ignore the good and concentrate on the negatives.

As Capcom says it could fall either way...I suspect Stocker will be a very good player but if we do finish last and Pick 1 turns out to be a superstar he'll always be the one we gave away.
We'll have to wait and see.
It'll change no doubt but right now, as I write, we've given up Pick 1 for a 12 and 19.

(and that's an example of how you spin things to suit an argument)

Chris Judd says...we never expected to be 1-8.

That's just spin because the club wouldn't have said from the start we expect to be 1 and 8

we don't believe the club

I think a bit of concern comes from the fact that while you thought we would be bottom 2 Paul, the messages from the club indicate that they certainly didn't (Bolton, Judd comments, trading of the pick last year for Stocker. He may turn out to be a very good player but probably not Pick 1 or 2).

If a poster on a forum is closer to the mark than the football department, that kind of indicates that we're not totally on top of the situation or at the very least we've slipped off the expected pace.

At the start of the season, I mentioned that I thought we were being sold false hope and that I was being negative.

Blind freddy could see we weren't going to start in red hot form, and lo and behold it happened.

I thought irrespective we'd be in that 16th-12th band of ladder finishes.  Had we won against gold coast like we should have it would likely be the case.

Still there's a bit of water to flow under the bridge yet and I'm expecting a better second half of the year than first.

I think Kennedys extended time in the 2's could be put down to weathering the folau/twitter scandal.

You can't control everything, injuries/illness, dodgy umpiring, even dodgier MRO decisions, but we need to start controlling what we can control, and that is effort. It actually should be one of the easiest variables to control. You either give it 100% or you play NB's. I'm going to the game today, and I want to see 100% effort from all players for the entire game, if not then I'm not going to be happy

Fair call Jack.

Indeed. If someones doesn't put the effort in - or is playing poorly - they should be dropped.

Young Curnow is one who should be playing 2s presently....

I think Kennedys extended time in the 2's could be put down to weathering the folau/twitter scandal.

Indeed. If someones doesn't put the effort in - or is playing poorly - they should be dropped.

Young Curnow is one who should be playing 2s presently....

You can't control everything, injuries/illness, dodgy umpiring, even dodgier MRO decisions, but we need to start controlling what we can control, and that is effort. It actually should be one of the easiest variables to control. You either give it 100% or you play NB's. I'm going to the game today, and I want to see 100% effort from all players for the entire game, if not then I'm not going to be happy