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Reply #15 –
Execute them. It will stop any further discussion.
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Re: Juvenile Criminals - Should They Do Jail Time ??

Reply #17 –
Quote from: tex – on
The OP is pretty ridiculous when it doesnt balance the pros/cons of jail time.

But it's okay for them to run amok and cause mayhem & financial hardship to innocent hard working people ??

Paaalllease, there needs to be something more that can be done. Quite clearly the 'slap on the wrist' methodology is not getting us anywhere and it's just not the children either, the parents are not taking control of their offspring.
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Re: Juvenile Criminals - Should They Do Jail Time ??

Reply #18 –
Quote from: Juddkreuzer – on
Execute them. It will stop any further discussion.

 :))

You make me look like a softy JK - I was just going to say "Put 'em in jail!"

Out of interest, have you ever considered a career in Corrections?  ;)
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Re: Juvenile Criminals - Should They Do Jail Time ??

Reply #19 –
Often putting kids in jail just teaches them how to get better at crime... through their contact with 'more experienced' crims.

But the 'softy' approach has little success, also.

There is a program that when kids commit serious crime they get to spend time with a hardened crim who paints a picture of their lives in and out of prison. They don't hold back in letting them know what will happen to them in prison... especially if they're a little 'attractive'. This has frightened the crap out of them and has been successful. Chopper helped out with this program also.... kids would leave a meeting with Chopper ashen faced and durps filled.

Then there's compensation. If parents know that there will be financial ramifications if their kids create mahem, it can straighten them out to. But too often bogan parents just take it out on the kids making the problem worse. There is an argument for sterilizing bogans so they can't breed  >:D

The families/people affected by juvenile crime should spend 'quality' time with the juve and his/her parents (all 5, 6, 7, 8... of them).

I worked for a month at Winlaton Detention Centre (for teenage girls) in the 80s. Tragedy was that more than 80% of these teens were going along nicely until sexually violated (at 5, or 8, or 11 or for years until they ran away). Their lives and personalities changed, often dramatically, after the violation.

As a point of interest, it was former Blue Glenn Manton's goal when setting up White Lion to intercept kids who left prison before they reconnected with their contaminated community. And then give them all the support they needed to help them become productive and happy members of society.
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Re: Juvenile Criminals - Should They Do Jail Time ??

Reply #20 –
When dealing with juveniles, there is no 'one size fits all' punishment for crimes, no matter how serious. The problem with prison for juvenile offenders is that it can have a toxic effect during their formative years. It's a delicate process and not one so simply cut and dried as 'throw him in the slammer' like it may be with adults. 
 
Some do time and become somewhat institutionalised....when released they tend to reflect on how good they were in the 'big house' compared to out in the world with no boundaries nor restrictions and want back in, so they might go and commit another crime to ensure that. Have spoken to a few experts on this and heard of a particular case where an individual stole a car and drove it to the correctional facility in a plea to be let back in. Others have followed with committing petty crimes out of desperation to get back in. Not the way to go if you're looking at the bigger picture of this country. 
 
Sometimes of course there will be no choice but to have juvenile offenders do time, but it should be an absolute last resort. Diversion programs are the way to go - there are many cases where some juveniles have looked hopeless cases, been put on these types of programs whether it be into educational courses, part time work, etc, and turned themselves right around. All comes down to what program will best suit the individual's needs of getting back on track. 
 
It certainly is more constructive to both society, the future and the lives of those in question if the chosen pathway/program is beneficial to the individual. Much more constructive than time in the slammer during formative years. My take anyway.
 

Re: Juvenile Criminals - Should They Do Jail Time ??

Reply #21 –
Quote from: Gozza – on
When dealing with juveniles, there is no 'one size fits all' punishment for crimes, no matter how serious. The problem with prison for juvenile offenders is that it can have a toxic effect during their formative years. It's a delicate process and not one so simply cut and dried as 'throw him in the slammer' like it may be with adults. 
 
Some do time and become somewhat institutionalised....when released they tend to reflect on how good they were in the 'big house' compared to out in the world with no boundaries nor restrictions and want back in, so they might go and commit another crime to ensure that. Have spoken to a few experts on this and heard of a particular case where an individual stole a car and drove it to the correctional facility in a plea to be let back in. Others have followed with committing petty crimes out of desperation to get back in. Not the way to go if you're looking at the bigger picture of this country. 
 
Sometimes of course there will be no choice but to have juvenile offenders do time, but it should be an absolute last resort. Diversion programs are the way to go - there are many cases where some juveniles have looked hopeless cases, been put on these types of programs whether it be into educational courses, part time work, etc, and turned themselves right around. All comes down to what program will best suit the individual's needs of getting back on track. 
 
It certainly is more constructive to both society, the future and the lives of those in question if the chosen pathway/program is beneficial to the individual. Much more constructive than time in the slammer during formative years. My take anyway.

I've been involved with the juvenile justice system for 40 years.
(not as an offender) ;)
You read a fair bit of rubbish with regards to the best way to deal with young offenders
That's an excellent post Goz