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Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #60 –
Quote from: LP – on
I wouldn't be worried too much about him, it's the non-event of Marchbank, Motlop, Young, Durdin and Mirkov that is the bigger worry for me. Hardly a shot fired among them!

They beat the Pies 2 weeks ago too. Some actually do much better in the seniors than the twos for some reason, although Motlop, Durdin and Young won't be getting a game anytime soon. Motlop is way off match fitness-wise.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #61 –
Probably makes sense not to play Lord straight away.
Planning would have been going on for a week for the game...he wouldn't have been up to speed. Just from a settling in and confidence aspect no harm in waiting a week and getting himself familiar.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #62 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Probably makes sense not to play Lord straight away.
Planning would have been going on for a week for the game...he wouldn't have been up to speed. Just from a settling in and confidence aspect no harm in waiting a week and getting himself familiar.
It will take at least two weeks to knock the Norf crap out of him.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #63 –
Very disappointed. Being beaten by Preston is inexcusable, even on their patch.

[1] Not having someone pick up Velissaris was stupid in the extreme. But both of the Bullants' main mids had a picnic, as our mids have no idea how to play in the centre square.
I was blue in the face looking at the ruck contests. Mirkov isn't going to make it, but that doesn't mean he has to be manhandled as he was. If he looked away, he gave away a free, but his opponents could do anything but kill him and it meant nothing. That irritated me no end.
Our mids were always in the wrong spot, so Preston just walked the ball out of the middle.
The only mid we had that did anything in the centre square was Carroll, but even he did better work at the ballups.

[2] Umpires: a pet peeve. I know how difficult the game is to umpire as I've done my share of doing so. but even so, this was almost as bad as the senior game against Gold Coast. In the 3rd quarter we got 2 frees to their 10 in a seventeen minute period. Our players were looking around in horror at the decisions, because they couldn't believe them. And this when every single ruck contest had the Preston rucks grabbing Mirkov's jumper and trying to shepherd him out. He looked around and couldn't believe it either.
In the end, I couldn't watch any more and went to do some shopping.

[3] Kicking for goal: like the seniors, we couldn't buy a goal. Our kicking at goal was ordinary in the extreme. But one of the reasons was that we weren't getting a lot of easy shots. The number of times miskicks and the like ended up as Preston goals was mind-blowing. Yet, we could muck up almost anything.

[4] Senior players didn't contribute much: other than Carroll, who played a very solid game (and his disposal wasn't bad either), the other senior players contributed little. Motlop had 8 possessions, 6 coming when he was on the ball. Corey Durdin had 15 and a goal, but he couldn't have tackled me. Moir's 12 possessions were an improvement, but he still has some way to go. Even Binns was relatively quiet (21 possessions). Marchbank was ordinary, as was Young, but the ball came down pretty easily. The same could not be said going the other way.

[5] Monahan looks promising, but he has a long way to go. And we don't seem to use him very well. I'd be getting him to lead from deep so he can use his pace, somewhat like we used to do with brad Pearce. That would play to his strengths instead of his weaknesses.
Lemmey wasn't as bad as he has been: he took a couple of nice marks, but he has a long way to go.
Moir was better, but still a long way from being a senior player.

[6] Poor skills: we struggled to hold a tackle, especially in the 3rd and 1st quarters. They had an advantage in body size and strength and we didn't bring them down often enough. That was bad, but it was the kicking and handballing that was nowhere near a team mate that hurt.

[7] I brought this up in the pres-season: is Power the man for the job? I have been quite happy with his work developing some of our youngsters, but his coaching leaves me wondering if we shouldn't have someone else. We don't seem to play for each other enough. Robert Walls always said 'make your team mate the best player on the ground': I don't see that with the 2's.
Granted that we lack talent, especially in the middle of the ground, but ...

[8] I am really disappointed in our midfield this year. last year Dow got 30 - 40 possessions each week as Mirkov hit the ball in his direction. Mirkov is still getting taps, but our mids do not get the clearances. Grant you that we have VFL mids, but other clubs seems to have better, stronger, faster mids than we do.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #64 –
While I'm at it:

[9] On field leadership: we don't appear to have much. I know we recruited Lachie Young so we'd have an experienced player, but he doesn't appear to do a lot of captainy things to me. He tried hard enough, and he get a fair amount of ball, but he isn't a great decision maker and he doesn't do the clutch things.
However, he is a superstar compared to Phillips, who cannot get a game at the moment. he has been a huge disappointment and has offered very little in the terms of leadership.
Ned Cahill can, but he doesn't get the possessions to make a difference often enough. And he misses too many goals. But he gives as much leadership as he can.
Our taller defenders have offered nothing in terms of leadership, not even winning one-on-one contests.

[10] Kicking goals: our forward footy isn't great. Our skills are ordinary and we lack body strength all over the field. However, our key goal kickers don't do enough regularly enough.
I like a lot of what Liam McMahon brings, but he doesn't complete the marks he could. he gets out bodied too easily. However, he still kicks goals as he has some idea what to do. Lemmey and Monahan offer relatively little at this point and none of them takes a big, contest mark. I don't think they are utilized that well: I'd have Monahan leading from the square and leading hard into open space, where his pace is a winner. Lemmey is a work in progress, but he has a lot of work and a lot more desire to show before he is senior ready. I quite like his ruckwork.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #65 –
Lose 83-95 - came back at them in the last with some early goals but couldn't reel them in on the day.  Motlop finally turned up in the last quarter once moved into the midfield but stank for the first 3.  No chance of a promotion this week.  No-one really put their hand up, Carroll was I think clearly our best and has probably saved his spot in the side and possibly got himself off the sub bench.  Binns had one of his worst games but was still amongst our best, Wilson showed AFL qualities and Durdin was reasonably busy but none of them cried out for a promotion.  I think no unforced changes for the ones next week.

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Reply #66 –
95-83
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #68 –
there is not much in our vfl side to get excited about

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #69 –
^^  Its not all doom and gloom, but suggesting that the ones in the ones currently deserve to go out based on what they dont do, based on what else is there, is a bit fanciful.  They need form, fitness, and in some cases to build the ability to compete at VFL level before thinking about AFL footy.  How many times do we moan about making an opponents kid a superstar?  None of ours are showing that sort of capability at the minute.  Thats fine, it means they arent ready for the step up.  Mohr did show a little bit, but they all flashed in and out of the game.  Dropping an AFL hardened competitor for one of these kids at this stage of their development is likely to break their confidence and send them backwards.

I dont want them in because it will likely break them not because they couldnt play.  You would have to know their fortitude and faculties rather than anything else to know for sure.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #70 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
there is not much in our vfl side to get excited about
Thats not true, couple of the VFL players look like goers😂
But seriously, the cupboard is bare.
#   Player                           G   B   D   HO   M   T
3   Jesse Motlop               0   0   8      0   2   6
16   Jack Carroll               0   1   32      0   4   1
19   Corey Durdin               1   1   15      0   5   3
22   Caleb Marchbank      0   1   13      0   3   2
25   Jaxon Binns               1   2   21      0   3   1
31   Harry Lemmey            0   2   13      5   5   1
33   Lewis Young               1   0   13      0   2   1
34   Rob Monahan            0   0   6      0   2   1
35   Billy Wilson               0   0   26      0   4   2
43   Ashton Moir               0   0   14      0   5   1
45   Alex Mirkov               0   0   13      37   0   4

2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #71 –
Rob Monahan - If playing at CHF perhaps a big ask for a boy who didn't grow up playing the game. 
Wonder if he's had a run at CHB? That straight ahead role would seem a better position to learn the game.
However, interested to hear views from those who have seen him play. Sounds like he has some talent.

Ab

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #72 –
Quote from: Adelaideblue – on
Rob Monahan - If playing at CHF perhaps a big ask for a boy who didn't grow up playing the game. 
Wonder if he's had a run at CHB? That straight ahead role would seem a better position to learn the game.
However, interested to hear views from those who have seen him play. Sounds like he has some talent.

Ab

It's traditional to play Irish recruits off the half back line and I think that it's worth trying a different approach with Monahan.  He's playing as a flanker rather than CHF and he has the speed and agility to do well in that role.  Some of his field kicking is outstanding in terms of the degree of difficulty and execution.

The problem as I see it is that we're relying on a bloke who has never played the game before with some teammates in their first season out of junior footy and some with a bit more experience at VFL or lower levels.  He's bound to make errors and there's no old head to point him in the right direction. 
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston

Reply #73 –
A lot to like athletically and shows footskills but raw as raw can be.   Monahan reminds me a bit of Colin Corkery who had a stint in the 2s but went home and became a star Gaelic player.  Tall quick goal-kicking wingman I think could have been anything if he'd persevered with us.