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Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #120 –
Jacobs couldn't get a game for us, everyone seems to forget he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire at Carlton. Also seem to forget he wanted out, it wasn't like we pushed him out of a moving car.

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #121 –
Quote from: deags – on
Jacobs couldn't get a game for us, everyone seems to forget he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire at Carlton. Also seem to forget he wanted out, it wasn't like we pushed him out of a moving car.

The only reason he couldn't get a game was because of the people he was behind. The club had a number1 pick invested in Kreuzer, had given an early second rounder and a big salary for Warnock and had high hopes for the athletic Hampson. Sauce was a pudgy rookie who had worked his arse off to become a very good ruckman.

The final against Sydney was the exclamation point in his good final year with us. Jacobs had become an AFL first ruck and most could see it, however, it seems, the club didn't want to acknowledge that in search of a ruck the best we had was sitting as a rookie.

The reason Jacobs wanted to go was he knew the two/three ahead of him would always be ahead of him. If we had chosen correctly as a Jacobs/Kruezer ruck combination going forward he'd still be with the club.

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #122 –
Quote from: Raydan – on
Quote from: deags – on
Jacobs couldn't get a game for us, everyone seems to forget he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire at Carlton. Also seem to forget he wanted out, it wasn't like we pushed him out of a moving car.

The only reason he couldn't get a game was because of the people he was behind. The club had a number1 pick invested in Kreuzer, had given an early second rounder and a big salary for Warnock and had high hopes for the athletic Hampson. Sauce was a pudgy rookie who had worked his arse off to become a very good ruckman.

The final against Sydney was the exclamation point in his good final year with us. Jacobs had become an AFL first ruck and most could see it, however, it seems, the club didn't want to acknowledge that in search of a ruck the best we had was sitting as a rookie.

The reason Jacobs wanted to go was he knew the two/three ahead of him would always be ahead of him. If we had chosen correctly as a Jacobs/Kruezer ruck combination going forward he'd still be with the club.

100% correct raydan subject to my view kruezer is a low B grader ruck at best..
Club has no stomach or courage to trade kruezer unless MM decides otherwise

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #123 –
Disagree a bit with you there MF, a healthy Kruezer is A grade. I remember two years ago when he killed Jolly in the ruck and around the ground, which basically lead to his demise.

If (and that's a big if) Kruezer comes back healthy and fit, teamed with Casboult as an improving second ruck/forward pocket we could have a dangerous ruck combination.

If Kreuzer cannot regain his form/fitness and Casboult doesn't improve again over the summer then we are left to swim in mediocrity for a while longer. 

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #124 –
Quote from: Raydan – on
Quote from: deags – on
Jacobs couldn't get a game for us, everyone seems to forget he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire at Carlton. Also seem to forget he wanted out, it wasn't like we pushed him out of a moving car.

The only reason he couldn't get a game was because of the people he was behind. The club had a number1 pick invested in Kreuzer, had given an early second rounder and a big salary for Warnock and had high hopes for the athletic Hampson. Sauce was a pudgy rookie who had worked his arse off to become a very good ruckman.

The final against Sydney was the exclamation point in his good final year with us. Jacobs had become an AFL first ruck and most could see it, however, it seems, the club didn't want to acknowledge that in search of a ruck the best we had was sitting as a rookie.

The reason Jacobs wanted to go was he knew the two/three ahead of him would always be ahead of him. If we had chosen correctly as a Jacobs/Kruezer ruck combination going forward he'd still be with the club.

Completely disagree.
He was ordinary before he left. We had Kreuzer who is/was probably 3rd or 4th best at rucking, but at the time was our best around the ground and Hampson was getting a gig as a forward/ruck option. Warnock was either injured or struggling to get a game. For what it's worth, I'd have kept Jacobs and gotten rid of Warnock, but I don't see how the club can be crucified for "letting him go". Like I said before, he wasn't bashing the door down and certainly wasn't the best option as you've put it.

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #125 –
I reckon after the Sydney final he was the best option. That said in that same final Warnock went forward, marked twice and kicked two goals! We could be forgiven for thinking he would come good.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #126 –
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.  It gives us 20/20 vision and allows us to make correct theories.  ;)

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #127 –
Kruezer has never been an A grader...

To say he will be A when fit is speculative....

He is starting to look like that former collingwood no 1 pick ruckman that went to gold coast now retired.....

Until we are honest with our assessment we will stay bottom 4

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #128 –
Josh Fraser.

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #130 –
Quote from: MosquitoFleet – on
Kruezer has never been an A grader...

To say he will be A when fit is speculative....

He is starting to look like that former collingwood no 1 pick ruckman that went to gold coast now retired.....

Until we are honest with our assessment we will stay bottom 4

You musn't have been watching when he was fit and firing last year he was the dominant ruck in the comp for a spell there - the question is whether his body will get right again and whether we will play him in that role.

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #131 –
Quote from: ianh – on
Quote from: MosquitoFleet – on
Kruezer has never been an A grader...

To say he will be A when fit is speculative....

He is starting to look like that former collingwood no 1 pick ruckman that went to gold coast now retired.....

Until we are honest with our assessment we will stay bottom 4

You musn't have been watching when he was fit and firing last year he was the dominant ruck in the comp for a spell there - the question is whether his body will get right again and whether we will play him in that role.

Kruez has never been fit and firing - I watched him closely in the ruck - he has no leap at the contests last year...cannot continually palm the ball and always watches his rucking opponent ....cannot take a pack mark to save himself - he jumps vertically in the air with straight 180 degree extended arms vertically up...
 

Re: Rd 19: Carlton vs Freo: Post Match Pain Again

Reply #132 –
Quote from: MosquitoFleet – on
Kruez has never been fit and firing - I watched him closely in the ruck - he has no leap at the contests last year...cannot continually palm the ball and always watches his rucking opponent ....cannot take a pack mark to save himself - he jumps vertically in the air with straight 180 degree extended arms vertically up...

Hmm, you know Kreuzer is the guy we kept not the guy who left for Nthmond? :D

SpecialK missed only two games in his first two years, last year he was our 6th ranked player off only 17 games.

His rating last year put him in the leagues top 10 ruckmen(Off only 17 games), and his career average rating is similar or ahead of many other so called "A Graders"!
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