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Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #150
A big call, I know, but I blame Daisy for the loss – let me explain:

Robbo kicks the first goal from a ripping grab....our 2nd shot at goal of the game not long after & Daisy lines up for what should’ve been a soda after a deserved free kick. It’s every Pies supporter’s nightmare seeing one of their once favourite sons lining up for goal in Navy Blue. The Pies fans predictably boo their lungs out, I look around me & in response, we in the Carlton members seating area (lower level of the GSS, with Daisy right in front of us) begin a counter-cheer to their boos, standing & clapping as Daisy lines up.....it was an awesome moment right there.

Kick the goal at that moment & can you imagine the lift in everything Navy Blue. Daisy would’ve felt a huge load off his shoulders from all the anticipation of this game, his teammates would’ve come from everywhere to joyously mob the hell out of him & the Carlton crowd would’ve gone boonta, as the Pies worst nightmare came true just minutes into the game.

From that point on, I seriously reckon the game would’ve taken a completely different path, with our blokes having a completely different mindset. But instead what we got, was a morale-sapping shanked shinning (yet again), that left the Pies supporters in raptures, his ex-teammates vengefully jubilant, the Carlton crowd thoroughly embarrassed & his teammates deflated.

For mine, it was the major turning point of the game & it was only a few minutes old.
Football is life, there is nothing else....

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #151
I'm a big believer in incidents turning the game and yup, we were all over them up until that kick.

What we sorely need are players who do things to make things change. IMO, Buckley has this which is why I'm wrapped to see him getting games.

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #152
Sorry Brettie, I was in the Olympic stand on level 4, and although that was one thing that could have given us the momentum, it wasnt the only "momentum swinger".  Rowe kicked blindly out of defense to our side on the wing prior to their first goal, and hit nothing but 3 Collingwood players and not a Carlton player in sight only a moment later, and sure enough on the Pies next forward entry, they scored.

It was too easy for them on Friday.  FWIW, I think we would have faired better having to come from behind, rather than having gone up early as that would have lulled the Pies into the false sense of security that they had in the fourth quarter (except the game was actually over by then, rather than it being a false sense of security).

We kicked 8 goals in a quarter and still didnt get within 20 points of the lead.  Speaks volumes.  If we are that weak that a missed shot for goal is going is going to result in what should have been a 10 goal loss, we may as well pack up right now and sack the lot of them, as they are mental lightweights.

They went up a gear clearly after having conceded the first goal.  Their attack on the contest went up.  Ill remind you of what happened to them on ANZAC day for reference.  Started softly against Essendon and then outcontested the Bombers for the next 3 quarters leaving them scoring only another goal or two for the rest of the match.

We were never really in it.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #153
Sorry Brettie, I was in the Olympic stand on level 4, and although that was one thing that could have given us the momentum, it wasnt the only "momentum swinger".  Rowe kicked blindly out of defense to our side on the wing prior to their first goal, and hit nothing but 3 Collingwood players and not a Carlton player in sight only a moment later, and sure enough on the Pies next forward entry, they scored.

That's what happens when the whole side is instructed to flood the defensive 50. Same thing happened to Jamo twice in the first quarter as well. Streaming out of defence and not a soul to kick to. Came straight back over his head with interest both times. Malthouse went out there to not lose by 100 points. He must inspire so much confidence in the group with his methods.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #154
A big call, I know, but I blame Daisy for the loss – let me explain:..............

I bag Casboult for the same thing almost weekly on this forum and get lambasted for it, why?

They are classic coach killing moments(CKM), and teams often do not recover from them!

By my count this is one clear CKM for Daisy, but he has a long way to go to catch up with some others on the list!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #155
Sorry Brettie, I was in the Olympic stand on level 4, and although that was one thing that could have given us the momentum, it wasnt the only "momentum swinger".  Rowe kicked blindly out of defense to our side on the wing prior to their first goal, and hit nothing but 3 Collingwood players and not a Carlton player in sight only a moment later, and sure enough on the Pies next forward entry, they scored.

That's what happens when the whole side is instructed to flood the defensive 50. Same thing happened to Jamo twice in the first quarter as well. Streaming out of defence and not a soul to kick to. Came straight back over his head with interest both times. Malthouse went out there to not lose by 100 points. He must inspire so much confidence in the group with his methods.

Thats a lack of workrate to get open and stay open combined with a lack of composure with the footy in hand, combined with not enough run off half back.

Answer this question for me, if we are outnumbered in defense, how can we also be outnumbered in attack?

;)
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #156
Mate seriously, if the side is all inside the defensive 50 and win the ball, how is there any time to get into position to receive? If we're outnumbered in both, chances are the poor players are working their but off to get outside defensive 50 and create an option only to see the ball come back over their heads due to no option being available in the first place.

You'll just go with anything that absolves Malthouse of any fault, regardless of how stupid it is. Like I said, part of the problem.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #157
A big call, I know, but I blame Daisy for the loss – let me explain:

Robbo kicks the first goal from a ripping grab....our 2nd shot at goal of the game not long after & Daisy lines up for what should’ve been a soda after a deserved free kick. It’s every Pies supporter’s nightmare seeing one of their once favourite sons lining up for goal in Navy Blue. The Pies fans predictably boo their lungs out, I look around me & in response, we in the Carlton members seating area (lower level of the GSS, with Daisy right in front of us) begin a counter-cheer to their boos, standing & clapping as Daisy lines up.....it was an awesome moment right there.

Kick the goal at that moment & can you imagine the lift in everything Navy Blue. Daisy would’ve felt a huge load off his shoulders from all the anticipation of this game, his teammates would’ve come from everywhere to joyously mob the hell out of him & the Carlton crowd would’ve gone boonta, as the Pies worst nightmare came true just minutes into the game.

From that point on, I seriously reckon the game would’ve taken a completely different path, with our blokes having a completely different mindset. But instead what we got, was a morale-sapping shanked shinning (yet again), that left the Pies supporters in raptures, his ex-teammates vengefully jubilant, the Carlton crowd thoroughly embarrassed & his teammates deflated.

For mine, it was the major turning point of the game & it was only a few minutes old.

Mate, if our blokes are that psychologically fragile / soft that one dreadful mistake from a senior bloke early in a game has them turn to jelly for the remainder of the game, then they should give the caper away right now.

I have seen Stevie J. make howlers early in a game but you won't see the Pussy Cats miss a beat. Ditto the Dawks... seen Franklin f*ck up big time early on, but it doesn't unsettle the rest of the side one iota. Disciplined sides soak up errors easily.

We have to realise that our issues go much, much deeper than one bad kick in a game... or even a few bad kicks in a game.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #158
A big call, I know, but I blame Daisy for the loss – let me explain:

Robbo kicks the first goal from a ripping grab....our 2nd shot at goal of the game not long after & Daisy lines up for what should’ve been a soda after a deserved free kick. It’s every Pies supporter’s nightmare seeing one of their once favourite sons lining up for goal in Navy Blue. The Pies fans predictably boo their lungs out, I look around me & in response, we in the Carlton members seating area (lower level of the GSS, with Daisy right in front of us) begin a counter-cheer to their boos, standing & clapping as Daisy lines up.....it was an awesome moment right there.

Kick the goal at that moment & can you imagine the lift in everything Navy Blue. Daisy would’ve felt a huge load off his shoulders from all the anticipation of this game, his teammates would’ve come from everywhere to joyously mob the hell out of him & the Carlton crowd would’ve gone boonta, as the Pies worst nightmare came true just minutes into the game.

From that point on, I seriously reckon the game would’ve taken a completely different path, with our blokes having a completely different mindset. But instead what we got, was a morale-sapping shanked shinning (yet again), that left the Pies supporters in raptures, his ex-teammates vengefully jubilant, the Carlton crowd thoroughly embarrassed & his teammates deflated.

For mine, it was the major turning point of the game & it was only a few minutes old.

I blame Wayne Hughes, Rodgers, Swann and Mckay...its a crape list and as Malthouse said it needs work...

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #159
Nah mate.  THE Problem (not part the entire) is that we sit there making excuses for players that wont do whats required.

THere are many reasons why they dont and one might be a lack of confidence in themselves to pull off this game plan, but I think they all believe it can work provided that everyone works together.

Now, if we are outnumbered in defense, and we are outnumbered in attack, a few things have occurred.

1.  We have left blokes free in defense.

2.  When we get the ball, we are not working hard enough to get out, and we are being outworked by our opposition defensively.

3.  When we have the ball the get out of jail long ball option should at least get to a stoppage which means our forwards (collective) have either gone too deep with their opponents, or our opposition has outworked us defensively again to have our few forwards up the ground so hopelessly outnumbered that they cant even halve the contest.


Its not hard work Carrots.  As for absolving Malthouse, I am not, I am simply observing a culture that has manifested itself in our playing group over the past 8 years, and recognising that these guys will not easily change their spots, and likewise the few that will do what is required are undone by many that wont and it becomes an endless spiral.  Its why everything our club touches turns to crap unless the player has stronger mental faculties.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #160
Sorry Brettie, I was in the Olympic stand on level 4, and although that was one thing that could have given us the momentum, it wasnt the only "momentum swinger".  Rowe kicked blindly out of defense to our side on the wing prior to their first goal, and hit nothing but 3 Collingwood players and not a Carlton player in sight only a moment later, and sure enough on the Pies next forward entry, they scored.

That's what happens when the whole side is instructed to flood the defensive 50. Same thing happened to Jamo twice in the first quarter as well. Streaming out of defence and not a soul to kick to. Came straight back over his head with interest both times. Malthouse went out there to not lose by 100 points. He must inspire so much confidence in the group with his methods.

Pretty sure we had a game under Ratts where the same thing happened (maybe against Adelaide).. After the game Ratts said it wasn't the plan to have no forwards to kick to and that Fev and the like just kept being dragged up the ground too often by their opponents...  I certainly wouldn't think it was the instructions to have everyone in the defensive 50 with no forwards to kick to..   Players have been known to not carry out instructions and to worry about their own game rather than team instructions..  How many times do we hear a losing coach sayng that their structures broke down etc etc.. Its no different..   I certainly don't think Micks game plan was to set out and send everyone into defense..   Anyhow, thats my opinion. Love the new Avatar BTW..   :)

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #161
My problem isn't what transpired, it's the fact it took malthouse all of three quarters to react. Last quarter we have players forward and hey presto! 8 goals. Would you believe it. And then he has the nerve to blame the players. Sorry but he loses me more and more how he does this. What happened to 'don't blame the players blame me'? Oh yeah, that's when he wanted brownie points. The guy spks sht, no doubt about it.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #162
Nah mate.  THE Problem (not part the entire) is that we sit there making excuses for players that wont do whats required.

You sit here making excuses for a coach giving us nothing on over a million a year. Anything but the coach. I can accept we were undermanned on Friday night. What I cannot accept is Malthouse's game plan being centred around not losing by too much.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #163
My problem isn't what transpired, it's the fact it took malthouse all of three quarters to react. Last quarter we have players forward and hey presto! 8 goals. Would you believe it. And then he has the nerve to blame the players. Sorry but he loses me more and more how he does this. What happened to 'don't blame the players blame me'? Oh yeah, that's when he wanted brownie points. The guy spks sht, no doubt about it.

What I believe happened from watching the game live at the ground was at about 10 minutes into the 1st 1/4, the players went into their shells and lost all confidence..  I think a mind set crept in that they were going to get smacked.. Watching the players refuse to take first options, or hit up targets was clear as day from where i sat...  By the time they decided to hit up a target, they had wasted so much time that in the end the option they should have taken straight away was now covered... Therefore we just bombed it to a contest or even straight to a collingwood player and had it come straight back over their head.. There was one of 2E (from memory) kicking out of the back pocket.. He clearly had a player 20m away by himself but it was in front of the collingwood goal.. He looked at it but didnt have the confidence to kick it to him.  By the time he hesitated, this player was manned up.. Therefore he had to kick to a contest.
The reason I believe we finally kicked 8 in the last...... The pressure was off..  The game was won.  We had nothing to lose.. This then allowed the players to take risks without being any further penallised, and boy did they take them. .They ran forward, they hit up first options, they took risks. If they took this attitude into the 1st 3/4, it may have worked. Maybe they did.. But it seems once the team makes a few mistakes, its ingrained in them to go back into their shells and they lose confidence. They then dont know whether they should run forward or stay with their man. This then creates a lack of run as they dont want to get burnt on a turnover.   Plus I also think Collingwood were frantic in the 1st half.. That means they were not as frantic in the last and probably had the foot off the gas..  I dont think Mick at 3/4 time says "alright guys, forget about everything we'e practiced, just go out there and have fun and attack attack attack...  :D

Re: RD 7 : BLUES Lost To PIES (Lambasting & Liabilities)

Reply #164
Did anyone else see the sickening fight near Jolimont station after the game.. 4 guys onto 1.. Not a cop in sight, yet there was a couple of thousand people waiting to get a train..  Absolute Madness.. The one place where yd think the cops should be in numbers ,and there wasn't one around for the whole time.. The crowd had to eventually break it up as this poor guy got the beating of his life...