Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #150 – December 10, 2014, 12:18:36 pm B Dylan Buckley Michael Jamison Sam RoweHB Kade Simpson Lachie Henderson Chris YarranC Dale Thomas Bryce Gibbs Mark WhileyHF Levi Casboult Liam Jones Jason TuttF Troy Menzel Andrew Walker Kristian JakschR Matthew Kreuzer Marc Murphy Chris JuddIC Clem Smith Blaine Boakhorst Andrejs Everitt Zach TuohyPremium on pace with Smith, Boakhorst, Tutt and Whiley have to be given priority over Carrazzo, Ellard, Bell and Cripps, etc. to start the season. Everitt, Touhy and Jaksch are probably borderline selections with around 15 players pushing for those 3 spots. Looking at this team compared to the one that ran Geelong close in round 21 - OUT: Brock McLean (slow)Andrew Carrazzo (slow)David Ellard (slow)Dennis ArmfieldJarrad Waite (slow)Cameron Wood (slow)Nick Graham (slow)Sam Docherty (slow)Tom Bell (slow)Ed Curnow (slow)Ciaran Sheehan9 slow.IN: Lachie HendersonClem Smith (fast)Matthew KreuzerBlaine Boakhorst (fast)Jason Tutt (fast)Liam Jones (fast)Mark Whiley (fast)Andrew Walker (fast)Kristian JakschAndrejs EverittDylan Buckley (fast)Turnover of half the team - including 7 genuinely fast players coming in.Walker in his advancing years should now be left at full forward as he is clearly our best/only full forward. Likewise Henderson is our best CHB and needs to be left there for the full year. Swingmen are desperation stuff. If Rowe can be left on the 3rd opposition fwd I think it could benefit the team in a big way. Tutt and Smith coming into the forward half along with Walker and 3 genuine talls plus Menzel gives us something the opposition really won't like dealing with. Looks more interesting than Ellard/Waite/etc. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #151 – December 10, 2014, 12:25:40 pm Docherty is not slow Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #152 – December 10, 2014, 03:14:37 pm Quote from: tragic123 – on December 10, 2014, 12:25:40 pmDocherty is not slowHe's no Brock McLean but nor is he a Tutt/Walker. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #153 – December 10, 2014, 03:27:19 pm Quote from: jeza – on December 10, 2014, 12:18:36 pmB Dylan Buckley Michael Jamison Sam RoweHB Kade Simpson Lachie Henderson Chris YarranC Dale Thomas Bryce Gibbs Mark WhileyHF Levi Casboult Liam Jones Jason TuttF Troy Menzel Andrew Walker Kristian JakschR Matthew Kreuzer Marc Murphy Chris JuddIC Clem Smith Blaine Boakhorst Andrejs Everitt Zach TuohyPremium on pace with Smith, Boakhorst, Tutt and Whiley have to be given priority over Carrazzo, Ellard, Bell and Cripps, etc. to start the season. Everitt, Touhy and Jaksch are probably borderline selections with around 15 players pushing for those 3 spots. Looking at this team compared to the one that ran Geelong close in round 21 - OUT: Brock McLean (slow)Andrew Carrazzo (slow)David Ellard (slow)Dennis ArmfieldJarrad Waite (slow)Cameron Wood (slow)Nick Graham (slow)Sam Docherty (slow)Tom Bell (slow)Ed Curnow (slow)Ciaran Sheehan9 slow.IN: Lachie HendersonClem Smith (fast)Matthew KreuzerBlaine Boakhorst (fast)Jason Tutt (fast)Liam Jones (fast)Mark Whiley (fast)Andrew Walker (fast)Kristian JakschAndrejs EverittDylan Buckley (fast)Turnover of half the team - including 7 genuinely fast players coming in.Walker in his advancing years should now be left at full forward as he is clearly our best/only full forward. Likewise Henderson is our best CHB and needs to be left there for the full year. Swingmen are desperation stuff. If Rowe can be left on the 3rd opposition fwd I think it could benefit the team in a big way. Tutt and Smith coming into the forward half along with Walker and 3 genuine talls plus Menzel gives us something the opposition really won't like dealing with. Looks more interesting than Ellard/Waite/etc.This isn't FIFA 15, mate. We want footballers, not fast runners. Docherty is not slow and Whiley is not fast by the way. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #154 – December 10, 2014, 06:22:11 pm Why did we get Tutt, Dick, Smith, Boakhorst, etc?Why did the recruitment manager state that he was under instruction to address the need for outside speed?We played Curnow, Brock, Bell, Ellard, Carrazzo, etc. all in the same team last year. And it cost us. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #155 – December 10, 2014, 06:53:17 pm What is it with people trying to say Curnow is slow? He is our best run with player, with a player like Cotchin we need Curnow to go with him. He'd be one of the first picked every game. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #156 – December 10, 2014, 07:03:10 pm Quote from: Raydan – on December 10, 2014, 06:53:17 pmWhat is it with people trying to say Curnow is slow? He is our best run with player, with a player like Cotchin we need Curnow to go with him. He'd be one of the first picked every game.Whilst I agree with you Raydan, I do find it a little sad that OUR FIRST picked is Curnow. By this I mean that most of the contenders first picked would be an attacking weapon. Ours is an elite runner who is a good run with player but with limited other attributes/skills. Yes his attitude and work ethic is first rate or elite but... Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #157 – December 10, 2014, 07:16:32 pm Curnow is slow isn't he?I thought that was pretty clear. Anyway, he's a pretty good tagger but questionable kick. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #158 – December 10, 2014, 07:25:07 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on December 10, 2014, 07:03:10 pmQuote from: Raydan – on December 10, 2014, 06:53:17 pmWhat is it with people trying to say Curnow is slow? He is our best run with player, with a player like Cotchin we need Curnow to go with him. He'd be one of the first picked every game.Whilst I agree with you Raydan, I do find it a little sad that OUR FIRST picked is Curnow. By this I mean that most of the contenders first picked would be an attacking weapon. Ours is an elite runner who is a good run with player but with limited other attributes/skills. Yes his attitude and work ethic is first rate or elite but...One of the first picked .I would say we'd have around 10 that are automatic, Curnow would be one cause of his shut down roles. Muphy is 95% attack, Judd is 95% attack Gibbs 70% attack we would need someone in there who is defensive.@Jeza, Curnow is frequently reported as top 2-3 in the 3km trials, which would say he is quick over a long distance. He's not lightning like Yarran but I'd be surprised if he wasn't top 20% for speed at our club. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #159 – December 10, 2014, 07:29:19 pm @ Rayds - Furry muff mate Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #160 – December 10, 2014, 08:12:21 pm Problem with Curnow is the he does nothing else but tag and lacks an offensive game....the best taggers I have seen like a Cameron Ling work both ways...players like Jordan Lewis and Dan Hanneberry can tag and get a kick and we need something better than Curnow if we are to prosper.I hope Whiley can bring an offensive game along with his tackling/tagging work and give us another player who can get the ball 25 plus times a game.....Its very hard to carry one dimensional players these days.... Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #161 – December 10, 2014, 08:50:09 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on December 10, 2014, 08:12:21 pmProblem with Curnow is the he does nothing else but tag and lacks an offensive game....the best taggers I have seen like a Cameron Ling work both ways...players like Jordan Lewis and Dan Hanneberry can tag and get a kick and we need something better than Curnow if we are to prosper.I hope Whiley can bring an offensive game along with his tackling/tagging work and give us another player who can get the ball 25 plus times a game.....Its very hard to carry one dimensional players these days....I have to disagree EB; Curnow often racks up impressive disposal (and tackle) numbers while blanketing his opponent. However, I think that we don't get always good value from his disposals. I'm not sure that it's really down to him; giving him support and more and better options to target could improve his effectiveness.I reckon that Curnow would be as good as, if not better than Lewis if he was playing for the Hawks. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #162 – December 10, 2014, 09:07:25 pm Quote from: DJC – on December 10, 2014, 08:50:09 pmQuote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on December 10, 2014, 08:12:21 pmProblem with Curnow is the he does nothing else but tag and lacks an offensive game....the best taggers I have seen like a Cameron Ling work both ways...players like Jordan Lewis and Dan Hanneberry can tag and get a kick and we need something better than Curnow if we are to prosper.I hope Whiley can bring an offensive game along with his tackling/tagging work and give us another player who can get the ball 25 plus times a game.....Its very hard to carry one dimensional players these days....I have to disagree EB; Curnow often racks up impressive disposal (and tackle) numbers while blanketing his opponent. However, I think that we don't get always good value from his disposals. I'm not sure that it's really down to him; giving him support and more and better options to target could improve his effectiveness.I reckon that Curnow would be as good as, if not better than Lewis if he was playing for the Hawks.I reckon at Hawthorn, EBs point of being able to carry someone like Ed is relevant. That is, Haw could carry a bloke like Ed, I reckon we cant ATM. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #163 – December 11, 2014, 12:23:24 am Quote from: jeza – on December 10, 2014, 06:22:11 pmWhy did we get Tutt, Dick, Smith, Boakhorst, etc?Why did the recruitment manager state that he was under instruction to address the need for outside speed?We played Curnow, Brock, Bell, Ellard, Carrazzo, etc. all in the same team last year. And it cost us.It wasn't just because of their pace and I don't think Tutt is all that quick anyway (big tank though). Age and position was just as important in those decisions (next year, McLean - 29, Carrazzo - 31, Ellard - 26, Curnow - 26) all midfielders above the age demographic we were after. Yes, they said we need pace but Garlett and Armfield weren't getting a game either. We needed talent in positions we lacked (outside run). It just so happens that those players need to have pace. Quote Selected
Re: Rnd 1/Best 22 2015 Reply #164 – December 11, 2014, 06:34:23 am Quote from: DJC – on December 10, 2014, 08:50:09 pmQuote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on December 10, 2014, 08:12:21 pmProblem with Curnow is the he does nothing else but tag and lacks an offensive game....the best taggers I have seen like a Cameron Ling work both ways...players like Jordan Lewis and Dan Hanneberry can tag and get a kick and we need something better than Curnow if we are to prosper.I hope Whiley can bring an offensive game along with his tackling/tagging work and give us another player who can get the ball 25 plus times a game.....Its very hard to carry one dimensional players these days....I have to disagree EB; Curnow often racks up impressive disposal (and tackle) numbers while blanketing his opponent. However, I think that we don't get always good value from his disposals. I'm not sure that it's really down to him; giving him support and more and better options to target could improve his effectiveness.I reckon that Curnow would be as good as, if not better than Lewis if he was playing for the Hawks.Love your work most of the time DJC but sheesh you're way off the mark here. Two different players altogether, not only in style but in class. Quote Selected