Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
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We will definately only find out in due course.
What worries me is not what is happening, or what we are hearing about, its what we don't hear about. The crisis in Yemen is one that has everyone blindsided probably because its the people in the area fighting against a western backed regime. Very interesting stuff.
Golden dawn have been building momentum for a long time amonst minorities in Greece.
Their building popularity has been fueled for multiple reasons.
1. The traditional centre "neutrals" bled the country dry and from what we can tell ran the system based on nepotism. If you voted in the equivalent of trump, they would install numerous family members to regions of cabinet, spend a lot of money on government projects built by family that were never completed or delivered probably leaving the country where it is today. One of the notables has fled with all his cash. Samaras and Papandreou are the culprits reportedly.
2. The signal that the people had well and truly lost sight of everything was when Syriza (a Communist lefty party, who are considered greater than moderately left, but not extreme) formed government, but could only do so in coalition with other parties. They did so on the similar promise to deliver change and haven't really delivered any real difference to the status quo and due to talking a big game and not delivering have been regarded as weak. (I personally think they have navigated a fairly torrid time as best as they could given the complexity of the area which is ironic considering how little pressure exists on a nation like the USA yet have arrived to a similar conclusion).
3. The migrant crisis and subsequent shunning of welfare spending (mandated by EU) has made the public opinion become one where the country's future is so bleak that we are seeing migration on a large scale from Greece to other nations from the demographic the country can least afford to lose. Adults between 20-40 who are of working age trying to forge a future for their families because economic recovery is a long way away. People are tired. The battle is a long haul one, and no one seems to be serving Greece's best interests (Geopolitically they are however as its not as simple as cutting and running). The nation is weak. Turkey are not that strong but could quite easily invade if they liked, and they have been sanctioned invaders once already in Cyprus. We appear to have learned from the sins of the past, and have not antagonised those around us as any desperate people would, but the people are desperate and desperation can result in very rash decisions being made.
4. As you say, people are genuinely wanting an alternative, and the proposition of putting Greece "first" is being floated by Golden Dawn. For all the poor publicism they get regarding being right wing fascist, I see them for what they are. A nationalist party, trying to fight for their nation, which is traditionally communist in nature. They may not be as extreme as they are made out to be but in any national party you are likely to foster the sorts of ideals and attract the "Goebels" type. It suits the current ruling parties agenda to paint them in a bad light, and a lot of public perception about them is that they are to be feared because they will lead to fascist agendas being fostered in Greece. In reality the country does need to shift more towards the right side of politics than it traditionally has been. It has been overly reliant on heavy public sector employment and spending, and privatisation on the back of genuine investment is required. Privatisation is deemed to be evil in Greece. We are talking about a heavily run public sector nation, who are used to the red tape, and easy life of working for the government who are too busy lining their own pockets to care about who is earning money for nothing in the lower levels. I think Greece needs to shift towards right wing policy from the position they are in, and what they need is a genuine alternative. A party that sits in terms of policy between where Golden Dawn reportedly sit on the "left/right spectrum" and closer to the leftists that are currently in power.
Global Politics is interesting.
People apply their blanket understanding of how politics work yet fail to understand that not all nations are "in the same boat" and not all right wing governments are fascist, and not all of them will result in a "holocaust".
I consider myself pragmatic. A particular government is not good or bad, depending on the circumstances they are all required to a certain level to "keep the bastards honest". Where it gets tricky is that power tends to corrupt. I see Golden Dawn as heading down the road to extremes, and perhaps annoying everyone off who we actually rely on to stay a sovereign nation, and who's backing we require to protect certain geopolitical interests but they are no where near fascist and any perceived likeness to Nazi Germany is more perception and propaganda than not. They would not be good for Greece in the long term, but in the short term would likely improve things for the people living in Greece by making deals that will see economic recovery.
When you look at the volatility that exists in europe currently, I struggle to figure out why Americans of all people "have had enough".
Obviously, I don't know much about their nation, but what is the struggle? Is it class division? Economic down turn? Infringement of rights is plainly a falsehood. They have more rights than most people around the world. what kills me, is when their rich and famous pretend to care for their fellow man, when they return to their billion dollar houses in the upmarket parts of hollywood, and live a lavish lifestyle that many of their fellow countrymen and women don't enjoy.
make America great again. Great slogan, it seems to have won in the court of public opinion, but I dont see any reason to suggest that Trump will make America great again. He can build the great wall of mexico, visible from the moon, and from what I have read, it will save a lot of money, and time for the border patrollers if he reinforces the wall (note it already exists on the border of California and mexico) but I dont see how this achieves anything for their nation.
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