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Reply #1741 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/hillary-clinton-blasts-bernie-sanders-nobody-likes-him-20200122-p53tiz.html

Hilary was liked so much she lost to Donald Trump.
There is not much for voters to choose from in any country.

In the interim the US have us to thank, Tony Abbott is over there praising Trump and accusing those suggesting links between bush fires and climate change as being some new form of religious zealot.

Is there irony in Tony Abbott accusing someone of being a religious zealot?

I suppose crap happens!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1742 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/hillary-clinton-blasts-bernie-sanders-nobody-likes-him-20200122-p53tiz.html

Hilary was liked so much she lost to Donald Trump.

Trump won because of Killary (who is loathed)

Scomo won here because of Bill (Bill loves Bill).

Boris won in the UK because of Corbyn (a commie nutter on a good day)
Finals, then 4 in a row!

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Reply #1743 –
I'm not really a Hilary fan, but even the worst she has to offer is better than anything coming from Trump.

And I would vote for Corbyn. He highlights the very biggest issue that has plagued Labor parties everywhere, which is simply a crisis of identity. They should split the various Labor parties into two - the Liberal- lite party, and the proper, traditional Labor party. The various Labor parties that have held power over the years vacillate between the two, and they suffer as a result. A very entrenched factionalism that won't be resolved IMO until this split occurs.

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Reply #1744 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Trump won because of Killary (who is loathed)

Scomo won here because of Bill (Bill loves Bill).

Boris won in the UK because of Corbyn (a commie nutter on a good day)

Was mainly Bill with ScoMo but the Labor party made poor policy on the run and shot themselves in the head with older voters as well as rural voters who were doing it tough.
Boris won because he looks like an English Trump and yep agree on Comrade Corbyn. Mr Free, everything he promised was going to cost nothing, the State will provide by taking all the wealth back from the wealthy, he was/is a communist Robin Hood.

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Reply #1745 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I'm not really a Hilary fan, but even the worst she has to offer is better than anything coming from Trump.

Unfortunately for the Democrats...Hilary's best is also better than any of their three front running candidates (Biden, Warren and Sanders) this year.
The more impressive debate performers have been Klobuchar (probably a good Vice President choice), Yang and Mayor Pete.

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Reply #1746 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Unfortunately for the Democrats...Hilary's best is also better than any of their three front running candidates (Biden, Warren and Sanders) this year.
The more impressive debate performers have been Klobuchar (probably a good Vice President choice), Yang and Mayor Pete.

I lost interest in US politics when Trump was elected, but back in 2016 I liked Sanders. He had quite a lot of popular support, especially when you consider he had no money and no budget. As Chomsky has observed, elections in the US are basically bought. He mentions studies that show a very strong correlation between election spending and victory.

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Reply #1747 –
Trump statistically has been a very successful president.

He's not respectable, but I have to say he's actually done the job better than anyone is giving him credit for.

Their economy is flourishing.  Unemployment is down.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1748 –
Can't say I don't like Corbyn .... I actually loathe the communist dog.  Apologies to all canines.

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Reply #1749 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Trump statistically has been a very successful president.

He's not respectable, but I have to say he's actually done the job better than anyone is giving him credit for.

Their economy is flourishing.  Unemployment is down.
It will be interesting to see the long term effects, while nearly all are happy with the short term some in business I deal with claim he's burning the future and betting that future technology will be able to "fix" whatever is the outcome of his short term dealings. It's quite hard to gauge the short term as his trick is changing how things are measured and represented. The net result is that you get reports like unemployment is down, without being able to verify the figures, will this come about at the expense of wealth, health and lifestyle?

Some say the US Economy still hasn't even regained the ground lost in the government shutdowns, and that the reporting is bogus.

Are they still printing money(Quantitative Easing) faster than you can shuffle it?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1750 –
QE isn't printing money as such, its about banks buying govt bonds and driving down the cost of borrowing further and providing more stimulus to the economy. Its the last resort after interest rates have been driven down to nothing like we are slowly seeing... Next step is another GFC when share markets go bang with all this extra money inflating stocks...

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Reply #1751 –
I've heard Richard Woolf say there's a strong consensus that a recession will happen sometime this year, and Trump is trying various things to delay it or preempt the blame shifting to still be looking good at election time.

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Reply #1752 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
QE isn't printing money as such, its about banks buying govt bonds and driving down the cost of borrowing further and providing more stimulus to the economy. Its the last resort after interest rates have been driven down to nothing like we are slowly seeing... Next step is another GFC when share markets go bang with all this extra money inflating stocks...
I'm not an expert but I was told it's not "banks" but the central / reserve bank buying government bonds, which is a critical difference to commercial banks buying government bonds, it's the government / central / reserve bank buying it's own bonds to put cash into the system. The money they buy the bonds with was printed yesterday, and if you let the process run wild you can end up like Zimbabwe with 1000% inflation, so the governments walk a tightrope trying to balance the rate they print cash with the rate of GDP and other external sources of income!

A friend I have likes to describe it as "Your backyard pool trying to fill itself with it's own water!"

The US Government writes itself an IOU every time it prints some more cash, one that will never be honored!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1753 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Trump statistically has been a very successful president.

He's not respectable, but I have to say he's actually done the job better than anyone is giving him credit for.

Their economy is flourishing.  Unemployment is down.

Governments and leaders always claim it is their doing when things are going well (and someone else's fault when they're not....).

Funny thing is, economies go up and down regardless of who has the reins.  And while Government policy plays a part, it is only a relatively small contributor in large Capitalist countries like the US.  Do you think the big money-makers would have just shut up shop if Hilary had won?

The biggest problem is that Donald seems to actually think it is all down to him.......
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #1754 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Governments and leaders always claim it is their doing when things are going well (and someone else's fault when they're not....).

Funny thing is, economies go up and down regardless of who has the reins.  And while Government policy plays a part, it is only a relatively small contributor in large Capitalist countries like the US.  Do you think the big money-makers would have just shut up shop if Hilary had won?

The biggest problem is that Donald seems to actually think it is all down to him.......
Yes, I have a contact formerly from the Aust Tax Office that would 100% agree with what you state. She tells me Gov Policy takes years to have any real impact, the stats from tax collection tell her about 6~7 years on average to put a number on it. So any policy benefit or detriment usually and nearly always comes long after the policymaker has gone! In effect that means someone like Trump or Scotty from Marketing are claiming the good work of their predecessors.

There is one rather significant way to break the rule and force Gov policy to have an immediate impact, start a war!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"