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Reply #2100 –
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I don't think socialism is the goal in the US. More soviet style government with an oligarch owned politburo/technocracy ruling the people, whose votes would count for little.
Let’s hope the voters have learned this lesson and they vote Trump out along with Moscow Mitch.

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Reply #2101 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Greatly depends upon how his 2 trillion spendathon on abandoning fossil fuels and green madness goes down with the electorate.  He intends to lay down the rules to other aligned countries (including us) that we do more of the heavy lifting in regard to emissions.  China gets a pass.  He is a dangerous idiot.  If he does happen to win the Presidency, the early signs of Parkinson's will see him off in short time.     


Let’s hope the fossil fuel industry continues to receive subsidies to make it competitive with cheaper alternative power options.

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Reply #2102 –
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Let’s hope the voters have learned this lesson and they vote Trump out along with Moscow Mitch.

That may make some of them feel better short term but the underlying problem will remain. American democracy looks to be in its death throws.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #2104 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
That may make some of them feel better short term but the underlying problem will remain. American democracy looks to be in its death throws.
Agreed. Massive changes would be required and some of them aren’t even currently possible. An example of the latter is campaign finance reform which has been blocked by the Supreme Court. And it’s hard to address voter disenfrancisement, suppression, and gerrymandering when the federal elections are run concurrently with state elections and the states have the responsibility for running them. The French are now on to their 5th Republic IIRC. When they’ve realised the system is broken, they’ve changed it. But it’s much harder to change the US Constitution and the partisan divide makes it impossible.

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Reply #2105 –
Boris Johnson been told to forge alliances with Biden and expect a huge democrats win.. Senate will be the problem for Biden..

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Reply #2106 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Boris Johnson been told to forge alliances with Biden and expect a huge democrats win.. Senate will be the problem for Biden..

Interesting EB. I have also read that establishment figures working under Trump's instructions to expose people involved in Russiagate and other moves to oust him have been purposely dragging their chains fearing a Biden win. Maybe the Donald's days really are numbered?

BTW, be interesting to see what impact a Biden win would have on Brexit. The Dems are generally against it.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #2107 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Interesting EB. I have also read that establishment figures working under Trump's instructions to expose people involved in Russiagate and other moves to oust him have been purposely dragging their chains fearing a Biden win. Maybe the Donald's days really are numbered?

BTW, be interesting to see what impact a Biden win would have on Brexit. The Dems are generally against it.
Cookie, They had all better hope Trump loses or there is going to be some sort of payback, FWIW I think Biden will win but it wont the landslide expected and like I said he might have difficulty implementing his polices due to Senate problems.
I also wonder if Biden well see out his full term if he does win....

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Reply #2109 –
The US has been brainwashed over decades to fear socialism, sad thing is most of them wouldn't know what the fck it is. Hey, this is a nation that thinks universal health care is communistic at worst, socialistic at best! Poor bastards.

The Democrats are so far from socialism it's almost farcical. The Democrats are probably reasonably aligned with our small l Liberals/moderates.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #2110 –
True Baggers. Hillary was probably to the right of Turnbull and Fraser.

It’s an institutional thing. The Constitution gives low-population states like Montana the same number of Senators as populous states such as New York and California. The Senate has also adopted practices which put the brakes on change. Most legislation requires 60 out of the 100 Senators to vote for it (but 50 + the VP is enough for Supreme Court confirmations and “reconciliations”). The filibuster provides an additional brake, such as when Ted Cruz read Dr Seuss books to block immigration reform. Then you have the Supreme Court which has been very conservative over the years.

That’s why the Republicans were so annoyed with Obama pushing the Affordable Care Act through despite total opposition from the GOP. They think he should only have proceeded with bipartisan support (which we now know McConnell would never have permitted). If Obama hadn’t pushed on, that legislation would have continued to be seen as socialism which the public would never accept. But once the public saw it in action, they no longer regarded it as radical. The Republicans know many of the progressive proposals won’t be unpopular once the public sees them in action. They know they have to block them so they still have the aura of radicalism.

When Biden gets in, I hope he doesn’t get sucked into allowing the Republicans to veto change in the hope he can make good on a commitment to bipartisanship. The Democrats need to reform Senate rules and pack the Supreme Court.

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Reply #2113 –
Didn’t you love it when Trump talked about Thigh-land instead of Thailand! I’m tipping a Freudian slip there.

But what on earth was he thinking about when he talked about Yo! Semite Park? Was he thinking about “globalists” seizing control of one of Americans’ favourite national parks?

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Reply #2114 –
Comparing the personality / physical defects of those two would require a site all by itself. The Yanks should pull one out of "left" field and vote for Howie Hawkins.