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Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #30 –
Quote from: blue4life – on
Defenders cop a rough deal, they're bound to lose a few one on one contests but when they do it's costly,  a forward gets beaten or doesn't even make it to the contest and no one seems bothered so much.
Touhy's foot skills are as good as anyone at Carlton, he's quick, strong and has a natural attacking instinct.
His good far outweighs the bad in my opinion.
Do not disagree with any of that except that last sentence, in particular the far outweighs bit. I think if we could slot a more natural defender in his spot (say Byrne), 2E could be a weapon further up the ground for us. Thats a win-win AFAIC.
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Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #31 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Do not disagree with any of that except that last sentence, in particular the far outweighs bit. I think if we could slot a more natural defender in his spot (say Byrne), 2E could be a weapon further up the ground for us. Thats a win-win AFAIC.

Far too much heart in the mouth stuff for my taste with Tuohy in defence atm. (Well I don't like the taste of it!).
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #32 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Far too much heart in the mouth stuff for my taste with Tuohy in defence atm. (Well I don't like the taste of it!).

Most of our defence has been fine this season. The problems are caused by a lack of forward presence and forward tackling pressure. Opposition clubs are transitioning far too easily against us and it leaves our defenders out of position. Lamb is an improvement, and Wright is rolled gold when he's deep in the F50, but we need quite a few more getting to the fall of the ball inside F50 especially if the big blokes aren't going to clunk a dozen marks each per game.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #33 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
We have a few guys still not getting much of the ball, no matter how improved our work rate all over the ground has been. Therefore I am pretty certain that Armfield will get a game. His raw pace will be very useful.

Jamison probably won't get a game our defence stood up very well against a team with premiership aspirations. 


Armfield for Buckley would probably be a positive.

If fit, Jamison should come under consideration as an opponent for Daniher - despite less than brilliant form, Jamo is still our best tall defender against a leading forward because the others (apart from Byrne) lack closing speed and/or reach. Also, Weitering has been a more attacking player in the games that Jamo has played.

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #34 –
Daniher is still lightly framed and relies up jumping at the ball.  Doesn't like body pressure.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #35 –
Why isn't Buckley developing?
I though he would be much better than he is currently playing. Is he trying too hard?

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #36 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Armfield for Buckley would probably be a positive.

If fit, Jamison should come under consideration as an opponent for Daniher - despite less than brilliant form, Jamo is still our best tall defender against a leading forward because the others (apart from Byrne) lack closing speed and/or reach. Also, Weitering has been a more attacking player in the games that Jamo has played.

Plowman and weitering have made Jamo redundant.

Both are better at closing, both can actually spoil and both have a level of ability above what he does.

Jamo has been a good servant but he is now our backup defender and will only play if the others don't.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #37 –
Quote from: blue4life – on
Zach is as safe as houses, among the first half dozen picked.

I'm with Cookie on Zac...been ordinary this season and needs to improve, plenty of errors and his decision making seems suspect under pressure.
However there isnt much apart from Dick in the NB's to take his spot as a specialist half back ..

re: Buckley...I'd go with him again this week, does have a crack and we need leg speed...making silly errors for sure but the effort is always there and
I think we need to persist with him ahead of players like Armfield who are not the future...
If you want to drop Buckley then replace him with Boekhorst if fit, DVR, Smith etc..I like Army but he is backup these days only IMO

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #38 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Plowman and weitering have made Jamo redundant.

Both are better at closing, both can actually spoil and both have a level of ability above what he does.

Jamo has been a good servant but he is now our backup defender and will only play if the others don't.

I suspect that Jamison will only play if he gets back in form.  At his best, he's well ahead of Rowe, Weitering and Plowman when it comes to shutting down a key forward.  However, I'm not convinced that he will be able to get back.  I hope I'm proved wrong.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #39 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I suspect that Jamison will only play if he gets back in form.  At his best, he's well ahead of Rowe, Weitering and Plowman when it comes to shutting down a key forward.  However, I'm not convinced that he will be able to get back.  I hope I'm proved wrong.

Jamisons shoulders are that cooked that he can't actually stop his opponent.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #40 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I suspect that Jamison will only play if he gets back in form.  At his best, he's well ahead of Rowe, Weitering and Plowman when it comes to shutting down a key forward.  However, I'm not convinced that he will be able to get back.  I hope I'm proved wrong.

Bit of a message from the coach being dropped and I reckon he may call it quits before seasons end and allow Jessie G Mac a promotion so he can have a taste of senior footy..

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #41 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Bit of a message from the coach being dropped and I reckon he may call it quits before seasons end and allow Jessie G Mac a promotion so he can have a taste of senior footy..
Is G-Mac actually playing well in the VFL or are we just hopeful everything will just fall into place for him? Really hope he does become a player because that would just about set our defence for the next 15 years. Would love to get some feed back off those who have seen him play.

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #42 –
I wonder if the 1st yr players like JW will need a break at some point. This could be where Jamo etc. would  be able to just walk in. Thoughts...
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #43 –
Quote from: Jaseace – on
Is G-Mac actually playing well in the VFL or are we just hopeful everything will just fall into place for him?

In this case we are pinning our hopes on a young kid who was overlooked by every club in the main draft last year and was grabbed in the rookie draft. Check the NB coaches notes and watch the kid live.  Could be good in the future but far from near it yet.  As a key position player he probably needs 2 good preseasons. We are 'developing' a very good team not fast tracking one.  JMG and young SOS are our future not our present.  We killed off Krooze too early as did Melbourne with Watts.  Give them as taste at the right time but don't think they are ready to go. Weitering is a freak and an exception not the rule.  Patience is the key. 

Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon

Reply #44 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
I wonder if the 1st yr players like JW will need a break at some point. This could be where Jamo etc. would  be able to just walk in. Thoughts...


I hope they are cautious with all of them.
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