Carlton Supporters Club

All coaches are employees of a football club. It's not up to them to decide when it's time to go. MM's best was behind him. The Pies could see it, and so could all the other clubs that were looking for a senior coach in that time, except of course for the lazy, soft option, quick fix kings.

No coach has succeeded at Carlton for two decades, have they all been duds?

Malthouse coached Collingwood to a flag and runner up in the two years prior to his sacking, it defies logic to say that his best was behind him 12 months later.
I'm not implying that Malthouse was the right appointment for Carlton at the time any more than Ratten was before him, but blaming Malthouse for our current plight is missing the point in my opinion.
No coach has succeeded at Carlton for two decades, have they all been duds?

Malthouse coached Collingwood to a flag and runner up in the two years prior to his sacking, it defies logic to say that his best was behind him 12 months later.
I'm not implying that Malthouse was the right appointment for Carlton at the time any more than Ratten was before him, but blaming Malthouse for our current plight is missing the point in my opinion.
No coach has succeeded at Carlton for two decades, have they all been duds?

Clarko, by contrast. evolved and continued to change his game plan.

Even Clarkson's gloss is wearing off, he's lost the guidance of a lot of strong individuals and it appears he's running off the rails. His fate will be very interesting in the coming months and years, the likes of Dunstall and Brereton influence a powerful coterie that is very unforgiving!

At the moment I think Clarkson's old school ways sit quite nicely with the Dunstalls and Breretons of this world, but I am not sure the next generations of recruits will be so easily dominated.

Sheedy re-invented himself for 27 years.

Not the complete story, Sheedy used his heavy influence over the CheatsFC dominated AFL Board to have rules changed to suit his list!

So we fail because of the club and not primarily because of the coaches, is that your point? If so, I tend to agree, but I think MM was an exception

I think we've failed primarily due to our woeful recruiting.
Someone pointed out on here the other day that the three years from 2012 to 2014 have been an almost complete bust recruiting wise apart from Cripps and one other whose name escapes me.
If this was isolated then it wouldn't be as critical but it's part of a long history stretching back decades, no club can be competitive under those circumstances.
I don't buy the player development line by the way, a large number of our recruiting busts have been established players.
It's a hangover from the Elliott days of "we don't rebuild at Carlton", we just never came to terms with the draft and we've paid a very heavy price.

I think we've failed primarily due to our woeful recruiting.
Someone pointed out on here the other day that the three years from 2012 to 2014 have been an almost complete bust recruiting wise apart from Cripps and one other whose name escapes me.
If this was isolated then it wouldn't be as critical but it's part of a long history stretching back decades, no club can be competitive under those circumstances.
I don't buy the player development line by the way, a large number of our recruiting busts have been established players.
It's a hangover from the Elliott days of "we don't rebuild at Carlton", we just never came to terms with the draft and we've paid a very heavy price.

Time passes you by pretty quickly in the coaching caper as the game quickly evolves. Both Pagan and Malthouse kept going previous old methods that the opposition quickly worked out. The same plan doesn't work for more than a couple of years. Pagan was still controlling interchanges at the end meaning we were going at 30 a game while the opposition were going at 80-100+. The issue you have with old coaches. Clarko, by contrast. evolved and continued to change his game plan. Ratten did coach to our strengths hence had success, even if that was downhill skiing, which we did need to sort admittedly to take the next step, but hey, we were winning. He never had a super list so he did well to get us to 3 finals series.

I think it's recruiting, development, culture, bad appointments, the board..................