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Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #120 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Bolton needs to start working on his Plan Bs and Cs.

He has been caught out many a time with no second option....

Its a tough gig.  Players will learn things faster by repeating the same process, but when teams start nullifying it, is it because we are not executing things as well as we could be??  If we changed things would we hinder the learning process accordingly??  Is the goal not to end up with a team more like 1995's where Parkin empowered our team to kick on and win a flag with minimal coaching??

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I like his teaching mantra but not convinced, far from it, he is the 'Messiah'!
  There are no real messiah's.  I think we need to appreciate that Bolton and his team have started a journey (to coin a phrase).  They are looking at improving, process, procedure and people where possible, and putting systems in place to result in recognisable growth and achievement in our footy club.  People are automatically translating that into Premierships, but the reality of that, is that they are bloody hard to win, and require a lot of luck and considerable work to get into a position to achieve it, and measuring people by their ability to achieve that success is increasingly looking like fairly flaky criteria.  All we can do is focus on what work is being done, and whether or not we could be doing things better, and putting the systems in place to do as best we can, so that we can look at our work and see what it has yielded as a result.  Hopefully culminating in success.

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Again on Saturday, we had too many kids out there. Smedts and Palmer should have played....I think Palmer will retire year's end.
Agree with this, there might be a reason for it, but I can't see it straight away.

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And I reiterate Fisher will become a better player long term if he plays in the 2s.....for now.
This I can't be sure of.  The reserves have been pretty poor for 6 weeks now, and like Mckay there might be more gain in him to keep playing him at senior level, particularly if we are rewarding effort.

What I don't quite get is why Nick Graham isn't a walk up start given our current midfield woes, but there might be different thinking in regards to that than a couple of first year recruits.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #121 –
It seems our kids haven't learned plan A yet, don't confuse them would be a great policy!

Let's try and avoid doing a Weitering to all of them! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #122 –
Credit where credit is due.

Fisher has been given kudos for some 'game-high pressure acts' this year. Totals of 24 and 22 pressure acts in a game are 2 i can remember attributed to him.

This week the same stat, game-high pressure acts, has a total of 39. Not Fisher this time, but none other than Marc "He needs to work harder" Murphy.

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #123 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Credit where credit is due.

Fisher has been given kudos for some 'game-high pressure acts' this year. Totals of 24 and 22 pressure acts in a game are 2 i can remember attributed to him.

This week the same stat, game-high pressure acts, has a total of 39. Not Fisher this time, but none other than Marc "He needs to work harder" Murphy.


....and Levi had 91% disposal efficiency ;D

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #125 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Credit where credit is due.

Fisher has been given kudos for some 'game-high pressure acts' this year. Totals of 24 and 22 pressure acts in a game are 2 i can remember attributed to him.

This week the same stat, game-high pressure acts, has a total of 39. Not Fisher this time, but none other than Marc "He needs to work harder" Murphy.

They're only stats Krud  ;)

It's funny how supporters often see what they want to see and not what is really happening.  I reckon Murphy has been busting a gut trying to keep us in games but other folk must see it differently.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #126 –
Quote from: DJC – on
They're only stats Krud  ;)

It's funny how supporters often see what they want to see and not what is really happening.  I reckon Murphy has been busting a gut trying to keep us in games but other folk must see it differently.

Maybe start looking at the impact instead of the stat sheets and you may see what is really happening.
Was it a pressure act, or another missed tackle.
Was it a possession or another cheap kick behind play.
Stats are valuable but the result and impact far more.
If you think Murphy is our answer then so be it.

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #127 –
Quote from: DJC – on
They're only stats Krud  ;)

It's funny how supporters often see what they want to see and not what is really happening.  I reckon Murphy has been busting a gut trying to keep us in games but other folk must see it differently.

I agree DJC it's a bizarre situation, I realise he won't ever be a Hodge type but I don't expect it why would anyone expect it?

That doesn't mean we shouldn't pursue the odd player with Hodge characteristics, just don't expect Murphy or Gibbs to be the man!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #128 –
Quote from: JonHenry – on
Maybe start looking at the impact instead of the stat sheets and you may see what is really happening.
Was it a pressure act, or another missed tackle.
Was it a possession or another cheap kick behind play.
Stats are valuable but the result and impact far more.
If you think Murphy is our answer then so be it.

I wasn't looking at the stat sheet, Kruddler mentioned the stats and they matched my observations of what is really happening.

Murphy isn't the answer, but he's not the problem either.  The answer is adding midfield depth so that Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps, Samo, Docherty and Curnow are on an equal footing with their direct opponents and not always battling with two or three opponents.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #129 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I wasn't looking at the stat sheet, Kruddler mentioned the stats and they matched my observations of what is really happening.

Murphy isn't the answer, but he's not the problem either.  The answer is adding midfield depth so that Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps, Samo, Docherty and Curnow are on an equal footing with their direct opponents and not always battling with two or three opponents.

Murphy is the problem.
He's our captain and highest paid player.
He strikes little fear either physically or ability wise into our opposition.
I agree with you, we need far more midfield depth, but Murphy should not be part of it, but he may get us some picks to help build

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #130 –
Quote from: JonHenry – on
Murphy is the problem.
He's our captain and highest paid player.
He strikes little fear either physically or ability wise into our opposition.
I agree with you, we need far more midfield depth, but Murphy should not be part of it, but he may get us some picks to help build

Why then did he have three Geelong players hanging off him for most of the match?  The problem is that we have lacked the capacity to protect our best players for far too long.

I'm afraid you're stuck with Murphy; he won't be traded and nor should he be.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #131 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Why then did he have three Geelong players hanging off him for most of the match?  The problem is that we have lacked the capacity to protect our best players for far too long.

I'm afraid you're stuck with Murphy; he won't be traded and nor should he be.

And we continue to languish

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #132 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Why then did he have three Geelong players hanging off him for most of the match?  The problem is that we have lacked the capacity to protect our best players for far too long.

I'm afraid you're stuck with Murphy; he won't be traded and nor should he be.
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Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #133 –
We need to be brave with the rebuild and that comes changing leadership group and trading Gibbs and Murphy and letting Thomas go.

Cripps, Docherty, Kreuzer, Curnow and need two leaders for the forward line.

Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #134 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Why then did he have three Geelong players hanging off him for most of the match?

Scott is a dumb AFL coach who always tags players who cannot play! :o

;D
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"