Carlton Supporters Club

Nothing can be said that justifies the attacks on people for their views. It is unnecessary and ridiculous.

My main reason for not voting Kruddler is the personal attacks on people for their views and as for question time. I see that as an 'arena' and those that enter politics too, they go their to fight it out and to attack and defend.

I see that as far different to attacking anyone with a different opinion.
Oh and even though the draw away from the "Yes" vote is quite strong because of my perception for the way it is playing out. I would never vote against to be spiteful, so the best way to 'voice' my opinion is to not take part

I won't go into how often I do or do not vote, but yes I have been fined for not voting before, because I won't vote unless I feel there is a genuine reason for me to.

I straw polled my own children today, 1 was for, 1 was against.. Both are teenage boys. I certainly didn't feel the need to pull the one who was against aside and tell them that they were wrong for thinking so. I let them have their opinions.
That is all that I wish was happening across the spectrum.

TBH Krud, I can't really see any negative, as long as it doesn't then become a situation where a religion is challenged for refusing to marry a couple because it is against their beliefs or the likes (that has to be considered a legitimate possibility), then that is fine. I don't think most people care if a couple same sex or heterosexual are married or not and I can't see how it will have any significant impact on society at all. Positive or Negative (and I think the same about hetero sexual marriage also).

I heard Magda Szubanski speak on the subject on The Project. She told a story of how a friend of hers was denied access to their dying partner in hospital because it was "next of kin only". This story resinated with me more than any argument I have heard on the SSM debate. Explain to me how this situation could be deemed acceptable.

Curious as to what the 'no supporter' used to back up his opinion.

I suspect as a teenage boy he isn't yet ready to embrace the idea. At 15 I would not have been either.
If you had asked a 15 year old me, I would have firmly been in the no camp, I know I would.
I think a lot of teenage boys are still 'against' homosexuality no matter what we teach them.
I found homosexuality something strange and not something that I was exposed to at all.

I believe the 'no supporter' as put would likely turn their views around, but I will let him come to the conclusion in his own time.
Of course that wouldn't be the case if he was hateful in his opinion.

As I have said I am happy to let both my children form their opinions (as long as they are also respectful of others) and feel free to talk through them without me picking them apart.

I heard Magda Szubanski speak on the subject on The Project. She told a story of how a friend of hers was denied access to their dying partner in hospital because it was "next of kin only". This story resinated with me more than any argument I have heard on the SSM debate. Explain to me how this situation could be deemed acceptable.

I suspect as a teenage boy he isn't yet ready to embrace the idea. At 15 I would not have been either.
If you had asked a 15 year old me, I would have firmly been in the no camp, I know I would.
I think a lot of teenage boys are still 'against' homosexuality no matter what we teach them.
I found homosexuality something strange and not something that I was exposed to at all.

I believe the 'no supporter' as put would likely turn their views around, but I will let him come to the conclusion in his own time.
Of course that wouldn't be the case if he was hateful in his opinion.

As I have said I am happy to let both my children form their opinions (as long as they are also respectful of others) and feel free to talk through them without me picking them apart.

My son is also 15, he would vote yes. I just asked him.

I reckon as a 'group' 15yo's may think that way, but generally as individuals they wouldn't have anything against it. Personally, i know that i wouldn't have had a problem with it at that age as my cousin (who i looked up to and is part of the reason i'm a blues fan) had a best friend who was gay at that very age and i was fine with him.
Incidentally, i knew instantly that he was gay, despite being 15 at the time and it never crossed my mind to say anything about it to him. I found out almost a decade later that he 'came out' to my cousin who was absolutely shocked. I reckon i was more shocked that he was shocked! 

BTW, i'm not suggesting you've done anything wrong. Hell, try telling a 15yo me what to do and i'll do the opposite.
Just trying to work out what kind of reasoning he may have used.

All of this because of a (lack of) piece of paper.

I suspect as a teenage boy he isn't yet ready to embrace the idea. At 15 I would not have been either.
If you had asked a 15 year old me, I would have firmly been in the no camp, I know I would.
I think a lot of teenage boys are still 'against' homosexuality no matter what we teach them.
I found homosexuality something strange and not something that I was exposed to at all.

I believe the 'no supporter' as put would likely turn their views around, but I will let him come to the conclusion in his own time.
Of course that wouldn't be the case if he was hateful in his opinion.

As I have said I am happy to let both my children form their opinions (as long as they are also respectful of others) and feel free to talk through them without me picking them apart.