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Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN

Reply #45 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
OK, thanks for explaining.

You writing that triggered something in the back of my brain which may or may not be true.
Is it possible that the reason South Melbourne were not invited back because there was a lot of trouble with those fans?
Were they the black sheep of the group (The Port Bogan equivalents - or even Adelaide fans when they noticed a victorian license plate in the car park so they spat all over it....only to later realise it was their new coach - soon to be dual premiership winning coach - Malcolm Blight!)

I may be thinking of something else, but for some reason my brain is telling me you were not invited back because you were not welcome back because of the grief you brought.

The fans of the 80's and early 90's were involved in dust ups with rivals.

South Melbourne had their old home ground at middle park.  Once they moved from that ground to Bob Jane, there was minimal fan altercations happening. 

Beyond that my post is a window into my psyche.  FFA didn't want us greeks represented in the Australian national league.  Any which way you cut it the two biggest Melbourne clubs were the Melbourne knights, and South Melbourne FC and both were denied an A league licence.  

I decided if they didn't want us, I dont want them either and wish them nothing but misery and failure. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN

Reply #46 –
That’s nice Thry but they didnt want thuggery, hooliganism and old ethic tensions from Europe here in Australia, but you overlook that bit.
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Reply #47 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
That’s nice Thry but they didnt want thuggery, hooliganism and old ethic tensions from Europe here in Australia, but you overlook that bit.

Yes, all clubs were required to ditch their ethnic affiliations in the hope that the tensions that often arose at games would dissipate.

As I’ve mentioned before, my late brother was a police officer and, as a young constable, was often on duty at footy and soccer matches.  He loved working at the footy as there was rarely any trouble and he was virtually being paid to watch the game.  Soccer duty was different; he had to earn his money and regularly had to defend himself from “supporters”.

The other thing about South Melbourne FC is that they were in voluntary administration and didn’t apply for a spot in the new league.  Perhaps that financial/administrative hiccup has affected their subsequent applications.  Despite that, there’s no doubt that they are one of Australia’s most successful sporting clubs.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN

Reply #48 –
Quote from: LP – on
They stopped the UK crowds throwing darts, it's pretty hard to believe the authorities couldn't stop the flares if they wanted to!
I remember a photo in one of the papers over here of a fan at a UK soccer match during the peak hooliganism being gently escorted by 2 policemen, presumably for medical treatment. He had a dart embedded in the bridge of his nose 😳. He looked as though he was in shock, quite understandably. He was either the unluckiest guy on earth to be struck by the dart or the luckiest given that an inch either way would have taken out an eye. What kind of arsehole would turn his back on the ground so he could throw a dart into the crowd facing him?

Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN

Reply #49 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
That’s nice Thry but they didnt want thuggery, hooliganism and old ethic tensions from Europe here in Australia, but you overlook that bit.
My brother played soccer for an Italian club here in Melbourne at a decent level, there were a couple of teams he played against that were of other ethnic groups (which I wont mention) who were absolute animals. They weren't there for soccer, they were there to fight, pure and simple. They were mimicking what their comrades where doing over seas. Im sure some of the younger ones (born here) didnt even know what they were fighting about. Refs refused to turn up to their games, of course when someone from the opposite team offered to ref things escalated even more. I think that stuff has been weeded out now, I dont know for sure as my brother is now retired from the game.
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Reply #51 –
Quote from: Mav – on
What kind of arsehole would turn his back on the ground so he could throw a dart into the crowd facing him?
Yes I was at games in the UK during the 80s and it was still a problem.

I doubt the dart came back from the front rows, it's more likely the kid turned to face the stand as a result of being distracted by something, was hit by a dart launched from further up / back. The hooligans were pretty shizen at darts as well, the most common outcome was someone forward of the thrower getting a dart in the back or on the top of the head.

From a confined space it's surprisingly hard to throw a regular dart any significant distance, much harder than throwing say a cricket ball. The flights tend to apply a lot of drag relative to the dart size and mass, I think the world record for a bullseye is only about 10m.
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Reply #52 –
Quote from: LP – on
The flights tend to apply a lot of drag relative to the dart size and mass, I think the world record for a bullseye is only about 10m.

Darts were an important pastime in the mess during my time in the army.  To change things up, we’d often finish games from 10m.  One of my comrades would regularly score bulls from that range.  🙂
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #54 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Darts were an important pastime in the mess during my time in the army.  To change things up, we’d often finish games from 10m.  One of my comrades would regularly score bulls from that range.  🙂
My understanding is that if that happened in official competition it would make him the official world record holder by some margin!
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Reply #55 –
So tell me, the life bans they've issued to a couple of the scum bags, how they gonna police that? Facial recognition on entry? I call BS.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN

Reply #56 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Yes, all clubs were required to ditch their ethnic affiliations in the hope that the tensions that often arose at games would dissipate.

As I’ve mentioned before, my late brother was a police officer and, as a young constable, was often on duty at footy and soccer matches.  He loved working at the footy as there was rarely any trouble and he was virtually being paid to watch the game.  Soccer duty was different; he had to earn his money and regularly had to defend himself from “supporters”.

The other thing about South Melbourne FC is that they were in voluntary administration and didn’t apply for a spot in the new league. Perhaps that financial/administrative hiccup has affected their subsequent applications.  Despite that, there’s no doubt that they are one of Australia’s most successful sporting clubs.

I know this to be a fabrication of events for a fact.  South Melbourne did apply and were denied a license on 3 seperate occasions, including financial backing from a party I wont name.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN

Reply #57 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
That’s nice Thry but they didnt want thuggery, hooliganism and old ethic tensions from Europe here in Australia, but you overlook that bit.

Not really.

I don't abide violence.  None of the people I used to go to at the soccer did, and the actions of individuals should never be applied to the entire group.  A sample size isnt representative of the whole.

There is a lot of extrapolation of ideas and facts, but the reality is that the National Soccer League had its issues historically but had well and truly been gentrified about the time that Melbourne won the grand prix hosting rights. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #58 –
Quote from: LP – on
My understanding is that if that happened in official competition it would make him the official world record holder by some margin!

I'm not sure whether there's a limit on how far you can stand behind the line in official competition but we made up our own rules.  Good darts players can score bulls using 3" nails instead of darts and throwing a dart accurately from 10m or more wouldn't be much of a challenge to them.  I could hit the board without any problems but scoring a bull or triple was more luck than skill.

I had a look at a dart board in a sports shop last week and I may venture back during the sales.  I'll let you know how far I can throw a dart with reasonable accuracy  :)
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Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN

Reply #59 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I know this to be a fabrication of events for a fact.  South Melbourne did apply and were denied a license on 3 seperate occasions, including financial backing from a party I wont name.

It is a fact that South Melbourne FC was in voluntary administration at the end of the 2002-03 season and didn't apply for the sole Victorian A-League licence.

It is also a fact that South Melbourne FC:
> applied to join the A-League in 2008 (Melbourne Heart got the nod),
> attempted to take a financial stake in the Central Coast Mariners, then Melbourne Heart in 2013,
> applied to join the A-League again in 2016, and
> applied for the new A-League licence in 2018 (Western Melbourne FC got the nod).

That's three separate applications as you said Thry, as well as two attempts to buy existing A-League clubs.  However, South Melbourne FC did not apply for the original A-League licence because the club was in voluntary administration.  Whether that affected the outcome of later applications is pure speculation but I would imagine that FA would go for the most lucrative and financially compelling bids ... on paper.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!