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Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #105 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on

If that's basically the lineup against Richmond we're gonna get our pants pulled down and make the calls louder for us to be taken away from the season opener each year.
Great post WAS, this is the big ticket item for mine. After a summer of being fed positive BS from all and sundry at the club, they dish up two dismal performances, one 10 days out from rnd 1 vs the premiers with virtually a full side. If we dish up a crapshow rnd 1, you can kiss the season opener goodbye. I was relatively optimistic but in 24hrs, my mind has been turned 180 degrees.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #106 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
But Lods, there was not even a glimpse (to me) that we can fight when the 4 points are up for grabs. Read my post carefully, we are making the same mistakes over and over and over. Not being able to compete for 4 qtrs is a real worry. For example, Setterfield had a bread and butter shot from from around 30m out directly in front at the Royal Parade end. He sprayed it badly. This is an end where they train this week in week out and have shot after shot. You tell me there is no intensity or pressure in these games and yet he simply misses. Just plain UNACCEPTABLE. Excuses keep getting made year after year, I am effin sick of it. I say again, Its not the loss per se', its the way we lost, same as every other loss for the last 5 years. If we were trying something totally different and we lost, I would get it. But it was a full dress rehearsel for round 1, David Teagues words pre,match on FOX not mine. Well if thats the dress rehearsal, we're forked.

It might very well be that what we're seeing is an indication of how our season will pan out.
I sincerely hope not.
But the way I look at it is this....It's a long season. Players know that in the next few weeks they're  going to have to switch up to another level. Experienced players like Kreuzer, Simpson and Murphy have been around long enough to know that they need to pace themselves at this time of year so they can see the season through. Even Cripps seemed to dial it down a gear as the game went on. It doesn't require a massive drop in effort but this is nowhere near the level of attack on player and ball we'll see in round 1.
These matches are really just a run, a bit like a racehorse racing at different distances before settling into the main focus of a campaign. While it's nice to say they should be a '100% all the time' in these games or 'you play as you train' it's now a bit cliché. Training loads and intensity are much more sophisticated than they were back in the days. We have no idea of the training loads in the days leading up to these games but I suspect there will now be a bit of a freshening up as we head towards the Richmond game. Skill errors by players are likely to  hurt their chances of  selection, so those who don't execute will be lucky to play unless they bring  other attributes.
We'll find out in a few days if what we've seen is what we'll get.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #107 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I don't think we should be freaking out just yet. Half a dozen or so games into the season will give us a better idea. We don't have a true KPF for starters. McKay should be back soon. Charlie, McGovern, Levi, etc. are more 2nd 3rd forwards. The crumbers will function better with a true KPF.

I agree.  Sadly, we won't get to see our best setup for sometime, it's another bad run with injuries to key personnel. 

Harry as FF, pushing up about as far as the centre.  He's got serious wheels and can lead to the player with the ball and take a strong grab, and also burn  off his opponent if one goes over the back.

Charlie roaming wherever the hell he wants.  He can present from kick ins, mark on the wing, or do his stuff in the forward 50.

Mitch is best suited to exploiting the gaps in between.

Maybe by the time our developing mids can average 20+ good possies in the middle, we'll have our best forward line on the park...  We're all sick of waiting though.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #108 –
McGovern is rapidly turning into a joke, unfortunately I'm not seeing any humour in it.

The decision to cough up a high draft pick and a big chunk of the salary cap for a bloke who doesn't look fair dinkum is looking increasingly like a misguided one.

Another example of acquiring what's available not the best.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #109 –
Agree to some extent Lods but given the so called "depth" we now have, I would've thought competition would've been fierce for spots with blokes trying to get a gig for Round 1. On these last two performances, there'll be players getting a game who simply don't deserve it on form.

And any information on blokes like SPS, Stocker etc? For mine, Stocker is a far better option down back or as a defensive player than Polson who is simply treading water. I was hoping that with Docherty returning to half back that we could see SPS play more through the middle but we might need his kicking skills coming out of the backline again this season based on what we've seen so far.

Are we simply gonna see us going back to the well with the likes of Kennedy, Lang, O'Brien etc who haven't done enough to warrant a game?

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #110 –
I mentioned in another thread a while back that Teague wouldn't get much of a honeymoon.
Poor bugger hasn't even made it through the reception ;D

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #111 –
Lods et al, I commend you guys for being able to remain calm and rational for so long. I however am unable.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #112 –
I hate to say it, but the end will come for Kruezer very quickly. He gave us no advantage in the middle yesterday and was more concerned about his opponent at centre bounces than keeping his eye on the ball. (even more than he normally does!). In a H&A match, Curnow would have gone to Neal 2 mins into the 3rd quarter and we wouldn’t have started off with Cripps and Murphy on the bench after half time. Let’s wait until the end of April to put a line through players, coaches and committee members.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #113 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
McGovern is rapidly turning into a joke, unfortunately I'm not seeing any humour in it.

The decision to cough up a high draft pick and a big chunk of the salary cap for a bloke who doesn't look fair dinkum is looking increasingly like a misguided one.

Another example of acquiring what's available not the best.

If it backfires (and I'm leaning toward the belief that it will) then we are in for a painful season.  We have had some questionable recruiting decisions (understatement) and this could well be another one.  We'll get murdered in Rnd 1 regardless.  I'd be happy if that game is taken away from us.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #114 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Late to the discussion so apologies if I rehash other comments.

We brushed off last week's effort saying it was just a practice match! This was the real deal before it all starts. Apart from SPS, that's pretty much the team we'll be choosing from and after kicking the first 4 goals, we lost by 8!

Only made to look good early because Brisbane forgot to turn up...once they did, they made us look silly.

Like last week, only a few highlights for mine. Martin looks like he'll be really good for us but concerning at half time that he looked completely stuffed...maybe that's a knock on him? Walsh is just a competitive beast who does not stop and looks to have just picked up where he left off last year. TDK looks like he's worth taking a punt on early in the season. Silvagni should be in the first picked each week. Yes, his kicking for goal lets him down but he just busts a gut the whole time...running up and down, making a contest in the air and on the ground, chasing/tackling.

Too many downsides again though:

- Marchbank looks unfortunately like one of those blokes who just can't stay on the ground because of injuries. But to be honest, doesn't contribute much out there anyway.
- McGovern needs nothing short of a rocket. Does he not realise we'll be without Curnow for most of the season and McKay for a good part of it too? He looks lazy and no second efforts at all. At this rate Levi will need to play permanent forward and maybe TDK as second ruck/forward option depending on conditions for round 1.
- too many players with absolutely sh#t disposal skills. These blokes play/train virtually 5 days a week but still can't hit a team mate on his own from 30m away. How many turnovers yesterday? Blokes like Setterfield, Polson, Plowman, Marchbank just can't kick. Dow looked pretty good in parts with his run and carry but just blasts it into no mans land when he kicks it...and more often than not, straight to an opponent.
- did we win any free kicks for holding the ball tackles? Seemed like whenever we got tackled it was holding the ball but when we laid a tackle, it was a ball up.

If that's basically the lineup against Richmond we're gonna get our pants pulled down and make the calls louder for us to be taken away from the season opener each year.
Unfortunately if we want to keep players under done like McGovern and Marchbank it will be the players and coaches demise. Are coaches group haven’t learnt and it seems that Bolton was the scapegoat.
Who ever our midfield coach needs to have a hard look at themselves. Fisher was a big problem at the start of last season when he played in the middle especially at CCB. He is to small. Enough is enough!!!

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #115 –
If McGovern is underdone then so be it....but it's a rehash of same time last year! I look at Walsh and see a kid who's desperate to win and who gives it 100%, even in these practice games. I haven't seen that once from McGovern and he's been there the same amount of time as Walsh...on top of a few earlier years at Adelaide.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #116 –
Give the guy a break, he fractured his back in the last pre season.

He's clearly in much better condition this year, just needs some more game time...a run in the 2s this weekend?
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #117 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Give the guy a break, he fractured his back in the last pre season.

He's clearly in much better condition this year, just needs some more game time...a run in the 2s this weekend?
If the twos are playing then yeah. He needs all the game time he can get.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #119 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I mentioned in another thread a while back that Teague wouldn't get much of a honeymoon.
Poor bugger hasn't even made it through the reception ;D
 If it doesn't get consumated, do we need to pay him out?  ;D