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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1245 –
Quote from: capcom – on
The definition of "moon" needs a serious rethink when some total moron idiots in the astronomy field claimed Pluto wasn't even a planet.  The ignorance and arrogance is astounding. 

It was a planet before there was an actual definition of what a planet was.

Once they finally decided to define what a planet was, Pluto didn't fit the bill.

There are actually bigger rocks in the asteroid belt than pluto, and would fit the bill of being a planet moreso than what pluto does.

So do you change the criteria to fit pluto in......and let in potentially hundreds more? Or do you downgrade Pluto to a 'dwarf planet' so all those plutonites can still feel warm and fuzzy.

As an aside....what is a continent?
I'm sure you know all of the continents, but what is the definition of one? Is there an actual scientific definition of one?
;)

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1246 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
What a dreadful condescension. FB77, the amount of arrogance required to say that to K is breathtaking. Are you so glued to your opinion and perspective that you resort to a kind of intellectual snobbery toward anyone who doesn't revere your opinion and fall to their knees in agreement, as evidenced by such put-downs? Play the ball Cocko, not the man.

Don't worry baggers, that is flyboys way of admitting defeat. ;)

I reckon he might be nursing a hangover today as his posts seem to go downhill pretty quickly the later it got.

I do notice how he replied to you, but ignore my rebuttal. Wonder why. ;)

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1247 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Once they finally decided to define what a planet was, Pluto didn't fit the bill.

Who in the hell are "they"?  There's hundreds of well known scientists ahead in the queue of the IAU that refuse to accept an arbitrary decision.  Angers me ... total crap

The bonsai tree is still a tree

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1248 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Who in the hell are "they"?  There's hundreds of well known scientists ahead in the queue of the IAU that refuse to accept an arbitrary decision.  Angers me ... total crap

The bonsai tree is still a tree
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A new class of objects and how to define a planet
The IAU has been responsible for the naming and nomenclature of planetary bodies and their satellites since the early 1900s. As Professor Ron Ekers, past president of the IAU, explains:

Such decisions and recommendations are not enforceable by any national or international law; rather they establish conventions that are meant to help our understanding of astronomical objects and processes. Hence, IAU recommendations should rest on well-established scientific facts and have a broad consensus in the community concerned.(read the full article on page 16 of the IAU GA Newspaper)

The IAU decided to create a committee to gather opinions from a broad range of scientific interests, with input from professional astronomers, planetary scientists, historians, science publishers, writers and educators. Thus the Planet Definition Committee of the IAU Executive Committee was formed and quickly went about preparing a draft resolution to put to the members of the IAU. After the final meeting in Paris the draft resolution was completed. One crucial aspect of the resolution is described by Professor Owen Gingerich, Chair of the IAU Planet Definition Committee: "On the scientific side, we wanted to avoid arbitrary cut-offs simply based on distances, periods, magnitudes, or neighbouring objects". (read more in the IAU GA Newspaper, starting on page 16 of the PDF)

Well someone has to come up with standards that set the groundwork. These guys have been doing it for over 100 years, so why not?!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1249 –
Couldn't give a stuff ... Pluto is a planet.  EOS

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1250 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Cry me a river Baggers.

Arrogance? Condescension?

Kruddler's a big boy.

Play the ball you suggest.

I did.

 :-*
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1254 –
We're not a bloody island.  Come up with your own definitions  8)   OUT of here

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1255 –
Quote from: capcom – on
We're not a bloody island.  Come up with your own definitions  8)   OUT of here

I honestly had no idea of this when i posed the question. Freaky.
https://www.india.com/viral/zealandia-is-earths-eighth-new-continent-scientists-discover-5million-square-kilometer-landmass-east-of-australia-1845982/
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ZEALANDIA is Earth’s eighth new continent! Scientists discover 5million square kilometer landmass east of Australia

Point i am making is this, there is no definition of a continent. You just 'know' what the are.
Same with planets. There was no definition of one. You just 'knew' what they were.

Science doesn't work like that.

You need to be able to tell someone the criteria, and then they should be able to work out what fits it. If they come up with the same planets/continents, huzzah.

However, You can not tell them the answer and ask them the question, its not jeopardy.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1256 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
It was a planet before there was an actual definition of what a planet was.

Once they finally decided to define what a planet was, Pluto didn't fit the bill.

There are actually bigger rocks in the asteroid belt than pluto, and would fit the bill of being a planet moreso than what pluto does.

So do you change the criteria to fit pluto in......and let in potentially hundreds more? Or do you downgrade Pluto to a 'dwarf planet' so all those plutonites can still feel warm and fuzzy.

As an aside....what is a continent?
I'm sure you know all of the continents, but what is the definition of one? Is there an actual scientific definition of one?
;)

Continents?  I seem to recall that we had a run in about that some time ago  :D

My oldest brother is an astronomer and he was over the moon when Pluto lost its status as a planet.  I think that his point of view was that it should never have been considered as a planet in the first place.

I haven’t really kept up with the debate but I think that the large asteroid known as Pluto has been reinstated as a planet.  I’m sure that the folk who make these decisions know a hell of a lot more than me and I’m more than happy to accept the results of their analyses.

The same reasoning has me on board with the best scientific analysis of COVID-19; I’ll take Norman Swan’s assessment as being as good as you can get.  At the other end of the scale, Andrew Blot’s ravings are as meaningful as Collingwood and Essendon supporters debating the meaning of life.  Sadly, the state of emergency powers don’t enable charges of sedition to be laid against Blot  >:(
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1257 –
'Dwarf' planet.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1258 –
The definition of a planet is one that has been able to clear its orbit of other bodies.

This is a cracking analogous debate meanwhile.   The status of the solar system and Pluto is only modified in name and interpretation.

Likewise covid19.  Where you sit on its threat is entirely subjective unless you take andrews approach.  His isnt subjective.  He has taken actions to Prevent the spread of a disease without worrying too much about the data regarding how bad it could be and worried solely about trying to shut it down.

Whether or not we should be doing that is an entirely different debate.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1259 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
The definition of a planet is one that has been able to clear its orbit of other bodies.

That is 1 of the criteria, and specifically the one that Pluto fails. Its 'moon' charon is half its size.