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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1320 –
It's not just Dan, but Victoria that is in the gun, everybody is looking for someone to blame and if Andrew's is guilty of anything it's putting a target on Victoria's back.

You just never hear media reports about the early lock-down stages when Australia was bringing the bulk of International flights into Melbourne or other such uncomfortable facts! But you hear how families coming off those flights have pooped the COVID bed! btw., In these COVID breaches, there are always at least two parties involved, not just the security guards, etc., etc.!

I do not understand all the State and Federal finger-pointing, SARS-CoV-2 won't stop at the Murray River!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1321 –
Yep.  I have to say the idea of driving the numbers down before easing out of stage 4 lockdown doesnt seem all that wrong to me.

Whats two more weeks in the scheme of things anyway.  Right now, we are at similar levels that we were at when we entered stage 4 lockdown. 

Even the slow easing of lockdown is right.  We came out of the last lockdown too quick and look how that turned out.

At the end of the day, people are just frustrated.  Fair enough too. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1322 –
I'm a bit over this finger pointing at Dan BS.

Lets say he did resign over this.....right now. Would people be happy about that? I doubt it. I reckon the majority of the responses would be that he was spineless for walking away in the middle of a crisis......a crisis he created. They would not let up.
Of course, whoever took over could be much worse.....but all the blame would fall back on Dan no doubt.

Nobody is perfect, and if he had his time again, he might do a few things different. Sure.
#1 on the list would be do NOT trust people to do the right thing. As ultimately, thats why we are in this mess.

If he is guilty of anything, its believing Victorians will do what they are told, or what is in their best interests.

But no....we know better....we want to protest the whole thing, and at the same time make everything worse in the process by continuing the spread and ensuring lockdown continues even longer. We want to call for Dans head because we can't go out for a latte or a beer.

Look, i get it, i have never been one to bow down to authority or do as i'm told, but FFS, use your brain...do what you have been asked to do and you will get what you want.....quicker!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1323 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Do you get the impression that other states are looking for ways to move out of restrictions whereas Vic continues to look for reasons to keep or extend them? I get the feeling that Dan A is paranoid and has little faith in the people and systems involved in managing the pandemic here? Not making excuses for him btw.
Like the article MBB posted suggested, pretty rich to expect or put faith in the bloke who farked it to fix it.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1324 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I'm a bit over this finger pointing at Dan BS.

Well Im abit over Dan pointing the finger at me and my fellow Victorians. He may be doing his best but they farked it, we are in this mess because of them, he and his Gov needs to take responsibility.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1325 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Well Im abit over Dan pointing the finger at me and my fellow Victorians. He may be doing his best but they farked it, we are in this mess because of them, he and his Gov needs to take responsibility.

Did he personally give corona virus to someone?

Or was it a victorian who did not do what they were told and gave it to someone?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1326 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Did he personally give corona virus to someone?

Or was it a victorian who did not do what they were told and gave it to someone?
Dont be a DH, you know what I meant.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1327 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Dont be a DH, you know what I meant.

I know what you mean, but do you see what i mean and why dan is blaming victorians?

As i said before. Dans biggest issue was trusting us to do the right thing. We didn't......and now we are calling for his head because we didn't do what we were told.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1328 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I know what you mean, but do you see what i mean and why dan is blaming victorians?

As i said before. Dans biggest issue was trusting us to do the right thing. We didn't......and now we are calling for his head because we didn't do what we were told.
Trusting us or trusting the Security firms "HE" hired which used Whatsapp to onboard guards with little or no training? I am not necessarily calling for his head, I think he will be judged by the very people he has locked up. I also suggested a number of posts ago that I also think this saga will take its toll on him and he may pull the pin for his own well being.
Also, I apologise for for the DH jibe, that was unnecessary.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1329 –
Well one thing is for sure, in terms of those "managerial bureaucrats" while ignoring the politicians for now, the whole COVID situation seems to have proven something we all suspected.

Being a moron and a dickhead doesn't stop you from potentially getting a highly paid public service job, I wouldn't trust them to pump gas as they would probably wear synthetic clothing and set the joint of fire!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1330 –
Seriously, it doesnt matter anymore.  Its here now.  The security firms skimmed money off the top, and hired bargain basement staff.

That is the epitome of not giving a fork.

Ditto the returned travellers, who were not satisfied with 2 weeks in a hotel room at the expense of the tax payer.

At the end of the day, its not about this anymore.

Some of the leading voices are doctors calling for an end to the lockdowns are bleeding money via their private consulting rooms.  What does that tell you?  They have a vested interest in not being locked down anymore.

Who can you actually trust?  The bloke who is in charge, trying to implore people to help get the numbers down?  Or the ones who talk about how people arent taking their health seriously as the numbers of referals to private rooms have dropped.  Its a joke.  These guys only care about their hip pockets.  Yet, that was caused this mess to begin with.  500 doctors all signed a petition.  All of them practising at places like Cabrini, Epworth, Mulgrave private hospitals.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1331 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Trusting us or trusting the Security firms "HE" hired which used Whatsapp to onboard guards with little or no training? I am not necessarily calling for his head, I think he will be judged by the very people he has locked up. I also suggested a number of posts ago that I also think this saga will take its toll on him and he may pull the pin for his own well being.
Also, I apologise for for the DH jibe, that was unnecessary.

Apology accepted.

No doubt it is taking a toll on him. You can see it in how he carries himself.
You can see he is busting his butt to get us all through this and everytime he thinks he's got it licked, us Victorians start a protest, or start a riot with cops, or some other stupid $hit that makes his life a whole lot harder.

Look, i know this hits close to home for you and i'm not trying to make light of the horrible situation that has come from it all.
I think plenty of heads should roll for what happened, but i think there is A LOT of misdirected anger and he is, unfairly IMHO, copping the brunt of it.

I've said before that there is probably a bunch of managers/supervisors/underlings that are more to blame than him in this situation. He didn't personally hire the company, nor train the people, nor did he personally oversee it. Others did and they should be blamed.

Ultimately though, it was us and our failure to do as we were told that was the issue, not the incompetence of the security guard in question.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1332 –
To get anywhere near the end steps we'll have to lock the borders, especially to NSW so we don't get the virus that we gave them. A certain irony there.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1333 –
Right from the get-go of the lockdowns I was really impressed with Dan, ScoMo and other States... not so much NSW which fckd up the whole Ruby Princess thing but they quickly learned from it.

When the first stage 4 was relaxed things looked pretty good. Oz (and the Kiwis) was the envy of the world.

Then around 90% of international returns were funneled through Melbourne. And so the sh1t show commenced... our Ruby Princess (hotel quarantines) ended up being far worse than NSW and much worse in handling. AND the Grand Canyon issues in Aged Care burst forth.

What really, really surprised me -- and I'm still none the wiser why -- was that Dan didn't leap on escalating numbers the 2nd time like he did the first time. He sat on his hands for some inexplicable reason and waited... and waited... and waited until we got into the 600s re daily new cases - the horse had bolted and was having a ball, quarantining had failing and our elderly were being kicked in the guts.

Incompetent quarantining was a major contributor. Did we not learn from the NSW Ruby Princess experience? Who was responsible for overseeing hotel quarantining? Aged Care? Who was the accountable one, the one in command, boots on the ground at the coal face assessing the every detail and on top of it all?

Now Vic officials and the ADF are involved in Sydney in teaching we Vics how to trace efficiently. Apparently our tracing was sub standard... how come? Who is responsible for such a dreadful error that has literally cost lives, business, employment, mental health and the state's economy - big time.

Seems we're finally reining in the figures and Stage 3 is in sight. And hopefully stage 2 by Christmas and the entire nation on just about the same page with borders open.

Dan commented that the buck stops with him and he is ultimately responsible. So he has to root out those accountable for the huge stuff ups and give them the flick, and if that, in fact means himself... so be it.

However, the Feds could and should have done more. It started out all cozy with a bromance between Dan and ScoMo but now it has degenerated into a political stoush. That's cr@p and cheap and plain opportunistic and does not serve the community.

In the future I really believe that the Federal Govt should take command of a pandemic and assign the states to administering and implementing the strategy with Fed help (which means ADF/BIOhaz teams running the show).

The upside of all this -- bearing in mind we were warned of this years ago and did fck all -- there will be lessons learned and a national strategy in place to leap on any such eventuality in the future... with a nationally co-ordinated approach - that means, ScoMO, take fckn charge knackers, step up to the plate. AND there must be a national standard put in place for security company's PLUS much, much, much more attention to protecting our vulnerable/aged - get those sleazy profiteers out of Aged Care.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1334 –
You know why Dan didn't jump into the next stage of lockdown straight away? Because of the backlash he was receiving from the public. People were angry. They were scared. Businesses would crumble.

He waited, he hoped, he prayed. BUT, we didn't listen and the numbers kept going the wrong way.

So he was too lenient, for our benefit.

Now, he is deemed as being too harsh.....again for our benefit as we don't listen.

He is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.