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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2956 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
lies, damned lies and statistics.

1 in 1000 present with adverse results according to the "studies".

Your link is pointing to 6.1 out of 1000....  thats a fair stuff up of calculation.  1 in 164 have an adverse reaction unless I misread the statistics...  Or maybe the 1 in 1000 is death not a bloodclot....

Then we wonder why people arent trusting blind advice.


Australia is the lucky country, being in Victoria though you are not as lucky as the other states, more CoVid fatalities and more reactions to the vaccine. I think the stats are always going to be reported in a non threatening type manner that doesnt alarm too many folk so I am skeptical in some areas.
As you know things that happen in Hospitals etc dont often make the stat sheet or the news....passing in a nursing home is common place so nobody bothers to delve too deep why, so those stats are skewed to natural causes, underlying issues etc. Way more Ambo callouts to mentally affected folk in lockdown than actual Covid ill patients but those stats wont feature or the end results of those callouts.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2957 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'm sure you will both be fine and I expect you to report for forum duty sore arm and all.. ;)  8)
Change of plan EB, the GP rang me today and literally got an update from the health dept this morning recommending people in my situation have the Pfizer vaccine. Now the process of him lodging forms via Vicsis to get me an appt somewhere. Nothings bloody simple.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2958 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Change of plan EB, the GP rang me today and literally got an update from the health dept this morning recommending people in my situation have the Pfizer vaccine. Now the process of him lodging forms via Vicsis to get me an appt somewhere. Nothings bloody simple.
I know people on the forum say there is no difference between the vaccines but obviously as your case has shown there is depending on the situation. Just rocking up for the jab like a lot of people have done without first checking on what their own health situation is with your GP first is crazy IMO.
I dont want the AstraZ  and dont want to be railroaded into it either...the advertising in regards getting the jab has fallen short of what I would expect in terms of explaining that you should be advised by your GP what suits best not what suits the Governments hip pocket and political agendas.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2959 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I know people on the forum say there is no difference between the vaccines but obviously as your case has shown there is depending on the situation. Just rocking up for the jab like a lot of people have done without first checking on what their own health situation is with your GP first is crazy IMO.
I dont want the AstraZ  and dont want to be railroaded into it either...the advertising in regards getting the jab has fallen short of what I would expect in terms of explaining that you should be advised by your GP what suits best not what suits the Governments hip pocket and political agendas.
EB the TGA website link you put up was quite specific about who should not have AZ. I was unlucky enough to have one of those specific conditions.

2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2960 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
EB the TGA website link you put up was quite specific about who should not have AZ. I was unlucky enough to have one of those specific conditions.


GTC, I'm taking about advertising for the average man on the street that appears on the TV etc...get the jab do it for the country etc etc...there has been no mention of the TGA. More people would know what the TAB  was for more than what the Theraputic Goods Association do. How many people getting the jab actually consulted their GP but just booked in trusting what the health officials, Eddie McGuire, Scotty Cam etc etc were saying?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2961 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
GTC, I'm taking about advertising for the average man on the street that appears on the TV etc...get the jab do it for the country etc etc...there has been no mention of the TGA. More people would know what the TAB  was for more than what the Theraputic Goods Association do. How many people getting the jab actually consulted their GP but just booked in trusting what the health officials, Eddie McGuire, Scotty Cam etc etc were saying?

Fair points
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2962 –
I think this is what you guys are talking about....


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2963 –
Those are some very powerful stats that the Government wont be including in any of their vaccine advertising.....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2964 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I think this is what you guys are talking about....

And only one of the 210 deaths is actually linked to vaccination  ::)

That's one of the reasons why we are lagging behind with our vaccination rollout (the Government's penny pinching is the main reason).  People accept erroneous statistics without bothering to check for themselves.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2965 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Those are some very powerful stats that the Government wont be including in any of their vaccine advertising.....
That because they are fake, a image published by anti-vaxxer on FB or Instagram as shown by the URL.

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FBCDN.net = FaceBook Content Delivery Network

There are not and were not 210 deaths "Caused by getting the vaccines", no authority has published that or posted it.

The were 210 people who died sometime after getting a vaccination, but that poster is like saying there are 210 people who died after eating breakfast. It's not a causal relationship, it's correlation.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2966 –
Quote from: LP – on
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There are not and were not 210 deaths "Caused by getting the vaccines", no authority has published that or posted it.

The were 210 people who died sometime after getting a vaccination, but that poster is like saying there are 210 people who died after eating breakfast. It's not a causal relationship, it's correlation.

They are being mischievous and dishonest with how they report the data. If you go to the actual URL :

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-27-05-2021

and read through it, it clearly provides a context for the death numbers, especially in the section entitled : Reports of death following vaccination, particularly in the elderly

I note that 109 deaths have been reported for the Pfizer, and "only" 94 for the AZ. But i thought the Pfizer was the best thing since sliced bread ?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2967 –
Looks like we'll be dealing with a nasty bird 'flu as well.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2968 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
They are being mischievous and dishonest with how they report the data. If you go to the actual URL :

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-27-05-2021

and read through it, it clearly provides a context for the death numbers, especially in the section entitled : Reports of death following vaccination, particularly in the elderly

I note that 109 deaths have been reported for the Pfizer, and "only" 94 for the AZ. But i thought the Pfizer was the best thing since sliced bread ?

appreciate that but people would argue similar for deaths caused by covid so that argument is at best a nil all draw
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2969 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
appreciate that but people would argue similar for deaths caused by covid so that argument is at best a nil all draw
No the officials wouldn't report COVID deaths using the same spin, that is your deliberate personal choice to publish a private perspective which clouds the reporting and not a reality of the statistics. I think what you did there either by accident or design is called muddying the waters!

The numbers are clear, unambiguous and definitive, many of the published opinions of them not so much! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"