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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3585 –
I often wonder how the News Ltd right leaning boosters reconcile the information they tout and scavenge from News Ltd rags, many times the stories are perspectives of an Andrew Bolt or a Rita Panahi, using questionable sources of information and opinion. We cynics are told they are on the money, and that we who pursue vaccinations and restrictions are the real naivé, 5G and all that other harmful stuff!

Then News Ltd goes and publishes a story like this,
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More men with Covid have erectile dysfunction

Doctors want more studies done to look at the suspected links between Covid-19 and erectile dysfunction as cases rise among men.
News Ltd spent weeks telling you COVID is a con, long COVID a myth, vaccines are death, and lockdowns are about political control, and now they tell you that if you get COVID it's going to be boners begone!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3586 –
Quote from: LP – on
I feel sorry for them @PaulP, I see the pain first-hand across many businesses and industries, but at the end of the day what they spruik as some sort of totalitarian regime is not much at all.

Not even as oppressive as the war time restrictions our parents or grand-parents suffered. Those generations would surely laugh at our 1st world complaints, then they would get on with what needs to be done to get through it, but they had a perspective of sacrifice as opposed to privilege!

If getting a $10 and 2 second sting in your arm once or twice in a couple of months is all you have to endure to be able to head out and earn a crust to buy yourself a nice steak dinner, life isn't so bad!
Yep. If you flip the script, conservative heads would explode:
  • Individuals have the right to refuse government mandates where they conclude their health may be at risk, no matter how the community might benefit.
  • The Government can’t penalise the individual even if the individual benefits from a free ride on the sacrifice of others.
  • The biggest threat to a person’s health that can be imposed on the individual by the government is to draft that individual and send him or her into combat.
  • An individual should therefore have the right to refuse combat duties.
  • Individuals who are already part of the armed forces should also have the right to refuse to fight given that many who volunteered did so for economic reasons.
I can just see the freedom-loving right-wingers fighting for those freedoms ...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3587 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Yep. If you flip the script, conservative heads would explode:
  • Individuals have the right to refuse government mandates where they conclude their health may be at risk, no matter how the community might benefit.
  • The Government can’t penalise the individual even if the individual benefits from a free ride on the sacrifice of others.
  • The biggest threat to a person’s health that can be imposed on the individual by the government is to draft that individual and send him or her into combat.
  • An individual should therefore have the right to refuse combat duties.
  • Individuals who are already part of the armed forces should also have the right to refuse to fight given that many who volunteered did so for economic reasons.
I can just see the freedom-loving right-wingers fighting for those freedoms ...

Aint that the truth. Remember Malcolm Moore interviewing Republican Senators, during their pro 'go get 'em' strategies for the Middle East wars, if their sons and daughters were being sent to fight? Crickets and tumbleweeds.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3588 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
LP, I agree. If folks want lockdowns to be a thing of the past, then everybody needs to get vaccinated.

Ditto, Pauly.

I had two chief motivators to getting 'the jab.' 1) Good old Aussie team spirit - all in together to help/support each other in getting this pandemic under control/more manageable  & less threatening to all our lives & 2) To lessen my chances of a potentially severe reaction to C19.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3589 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Aint that the truth. Remember Malcolm Moore interviewing Republican Senators, during their pro 'go get 'em' strategies for the Middle East wars, if their sons and daughters were being sent to fight? Crickets and tumbleweeds.
Drafts are actually a pretty good way of forcing politicians to confront the possibility of losing loved ones when deciding whether to go to war. If your only son might be drafted and killed, maybe you’ll be less gung-ho about going to war. And the sort of protests that erupted when the draft was used in the Vietnam War is feared.

But that’s only the case when the draft can’t be dodged by the rich and powerful and as we know that’s not the way it works. Trump’s Daddy somehow managed to get a doctor to certify that little Donnie was unfit to serve in Vietnam because of heel spurs. Donnie claimed afterwards they just disappeared on their own even though that’s medically impossible. George Dubya was drafted but his Daddy managed to ensure he saw out his service stateside in the national guard. I’d imagine a lot of draftees who ended up in cushy posts sitting behind a desk had connections.

In Australia, IIRC uni students could defer being drafted and back then uni students paid full fees unless they had scholarships. The rich were well-placed to ensure their dim witted progeny could enrol in someuni course.

The US Supreme Court was recently asked to rule that drafts should apply to both males and females but refused to do so. I’d imagine conservatives weren’t happy with the optics of a High School Prom Queen coming back from a war minus a leg or otherwise disfigured.

During the Gulf Wars, the US was able to avoid a draft by mobilising reservists and former military personnel. Those poor bastards were often from disadvantaged backgrounds and had only been lured into joining to gain access to lower cost education and the like.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3590 –
Aren't the US armed services the biggest employer in the country?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3591 –
"I ain't no senator's son"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3592 –
Yep, John Fogarty went mental when Trump played Fortunate Son at his rallies given that it was written about guys like Trump!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3595 –
Quote from: LP – on
Very sad that has happened, but it's 3/5,000,000 AZ doses, Covid-19 would be thousands of times worse.
I guess that woman will never know her chances and lucked out.
I'm not sure what the medical/anatomy difference is between a 59 year old qualifying for Pfizer and a 61 year being refused?
Being told to go to your Doctor for advice, being recommended by your Dr to have the Pfizer then rocking up to to a vaccination clinic to be told you dont qualify under the very inadequate and small guidelines and being told you have to have the Astraz regardless of your GP's recommendations. Not sure how the Government expect to reach vaccination targets or gain the trust of the 60 plus age groups to be vaccinated when GPs advice is ignored.
If that woman who died had qualified for the Pfizer she might still be alive......she just got unlucky being born 2 years too early.
How can a Government make that call without a margin of safety in terms of years...


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3596 –
You can't cover for every possible eventuality ...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3597 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
https://au.news.yahoo.com/third-australian-dies-after-receiving-astra-zeneca-vaccine-091543332.html

I'd love to see what the "review" on the deaths of  the other 352 people entailed.

A phone call, a quick text?

Appears a remarkable coincidence....

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Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 4 July 2021, over 8.2 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given. The TGA has received and reviewed 355 reports of deaths in people who have recently been vaccinated and found that only three were linked to immunisation.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-08-07-2021

Meanwhile, if you doubt the COVID-flu comparison, here's some data:

https://swprs.org/covid-versus-the-flu-revisited/

COVID is very, very much an old person's disease (indeed, arguably, albeit sadly, a nursing home disease) - look at the age of death against the average!

https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3598 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
If that woman who died had qualified for the Pfizer she might still be alive......she just got unlucky being born 2 years too early.
How can a Government make that call without a margin of safety in terms of years...
There are 76 AZ thrombosis cases of varying degree, there are exactly 38 Pfizer cases of Myocarditis (Heart Inflammation), about the same number of people are in ICU for both vaccines.

Nobody can argue that Pfizer as the flipside of AZ is greatly better without doing it from some point of ignorance, be it wilful or accidental ignorance.

There was a reason they banned that Publican from giving away drinks with vaccinations, because if they gave away alcohol with vaccinations the statistics suggest far more people would die from an alcohol related incident than from the potential vaccine side-effects. The Publican's heart was in the right place, but he didn't understand the risks. This is a prime example of where people's "common sense" fails and the math just rolls brutally on oblivious to our feelings, our thoughts or our best intentions.

Anyway, some of you might get your wish regarding lockdowns and the experiment of a free running Delta variant, it looks like the NSW Politicians are losing their will and are about to pull the lockdown plug. They've had 40 more cases overnight, and today NSW have sent out the lockdown compliance police, but the backroom guff is the resolve of the backbenchers is failing and Gladys is close to folding.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3599 –
Yep, pride goeth before a fall. From “We don’t do lockdowns” to “Ok, we’ll do a half-arsed lockdown” to “Oops, we should have done it sooner and the cat’s out of the bag now”.

Scotty from Marketing is also copping a whack in the media. When Victoria locked down, he was none too impressed and resisted giving a benefit to Melburnians who were out of work and when he did provide one he made it clear that it would be payable only after savings were exhausted. But he was straight on the front foot when NSW locked down, declaring it won’t be asset-tested for Sydneysiders. Some are calling him the PM of NSW.